“Lobby chino es el nuevo ODEBRECHT”: Mónica Yaya, candidata al Senado por el APRA

Well friends, at 8 pm I want to welcome Monica Yaya, ex-head of OCE, as we know, from the Tribunal, and now candidate for the Senate for the Prista party. Welcome. Thank you Diego for this invitation. From the Tribunal, of course. From the Tribunal of Contracts, exactly. Don't make me say that I said... Well, welcome, thank you for coming. Thank you. The first thing I want to ask you is, I don't know if you've seen what I've been reporting,

And if anyone knows the conundrum that was formed in the heart of the Peruvian state by the Chinese, it's you. What are your comments on this? I think that in relation to the last scandal, about this almost secret interview between President José Geri and the famous Uncle Johnny, I think it's just the tip of an iceberg too big.

where there are political leaders from all the branches, not only from the branches with communist ideology, nor from the branches that are shielding, from my point of view, José Geri, and they shielded Dina Boloarte. I think that the People's Republic of China has owned the consciousness of many political leaders, in such a way that

Bastaría con cambiar a un presidente para que ingrese otro títere, porque la argolla es bastante fuerte, está enlazada con viajes, con diversas prebendas, sin hablar de aquellas...

I am very sure that here there is also a lot of money under the table regarding which there is no record but that surely is the one that explains the increase in the heritage of many political leaders. That's right. Is it the new Odebrecht? I think it is the new Odebrecht much more backed by its state, by the People's Republic of China. With also

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Hasta el momento suficiente en el que estas empresas de la República Popular China puedan cobrar algunas valorizaciones, luego dejan la obra paralizada, dejan a los micro y pequeños empresarios peruanos sin pagar y se van.

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very serious, millionaires. How is the issue, you who have seen the hiring of the courts, that in that case they would give a course, they leave the work, then the locals could sue, but I understand that there are also complaints that they control those courts, the courts, right? To a great extent, because the contracts with the state

se resuelven las controversias de lo que surgen en los contratos con el Estado se resuelven en procesos arbitrales. Arbitrajes

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as a preview, as part of the first evaluations of what has been executed to date. And unfortunately it happened with Odebrecht and I am sure it continues to happen in the case of the companies of the People's Republic of China, there are referees who also sell their decisions, sell the precautionary measures, but beware,

At this time, Chinese companies are reigning. The companies of the People's Republic of China in the largest contracts with the State. But they are not the only ones.

In December of 2025, I personally communicated to President José Geri and to former Minister of Transport and Communications César Sandoval, as well as the current Minister Aldo Prieto, about a similar mechanism that was being used by a Colombian company called Orocom, with capital from another great Colombian company called Eléctricas de Medellín,

that received four contracts, almost all of them added up to 300 million dollars to execute interconnection works. Look how important this work was, contracted between Pronatel, which depends on the MTC, and this company Orocom. Four contracts that added up to 300 million dollars for this company Orocom

Realize the interconnection, by internet, logically, the interconnection

between the police stations, public schools and medical stations in four regions, from the rural areas of four regions: Puno, Junín, Tacna and Moquegua. That is, with this funding of 300 million dollars, these works had to be executed that had to be interconnected. Police stations, public schools and medical stations in rural areas, the poorest,

from Puno, Junín, Tacna, and Moquegua. This company, until now, since 2018, had to deliver the work approximately in 2022. Until now, it doesn't deliver those works, it doesn't make them available to Peruvians from these four regions, but along the way,

have economically damaged small and micro-businessmen from the four regions. They have not been paid, many of them are losing not only their businesses but their homes and even their families. President José Geri received a letter from me. I have the position. In October

from 2025 Cesar Sandoval is my Minister of Transport and Communications in September 2025 Aldo Prieto also in October 2025 and they do absolutely nothing which makes me think that just like Uncle Johnny there is also Uncle Johnny from the Chinese companies there are also other Uncle Johnny's

of Colombian companies, of Spanish companies, of companies of other nationalities that have simply contacted our highest authorities such as the President of the Republic, ministers, perhaps some congressmen, in such a way that they come and harm Peruvians in an impudent way. And it is because they have found fertile ground for corruption and, above all, impunity for them.

But I'm interested in this issue of arbitration. So there is the presumption, say one, but there are three, right? Depending on what the contract says, we can talk about a tribunal integrated by three people or only by one arbiter. And there is the presumption of corruption. We always see that the Chinese choose, in a certain way, and control the failures because they win them.

Of course, because the money that the Chinese earn with the contracts that are given to them many times directly, is not 5 million, 10 million, almost all exceed 100 million soles. In December, just in 2025,

China has just won another contract for 565 million soles in the Ministry of Transport and Communications. We are talking about contracts of 100 million, 200 million, 300 million, 400 million, 500 million soles. How much can these Chinese entrepreneurs offer?

to an arbiter who, probably by arbitrating, earns 50,000 soles in documents. How much can they offer so that that arbiter can grant them a precautionary measure that prevents the execution of the bail sheets, the guarantees that should have been delivered by these Chinese companies? Now, I'm interested in what you can tell us, what you have denounced, the existence of a ring. Exactly.

Where? When did you start to identify this? In the MTC or where is it? Well, we started to identify these rings when I defended for free the small and micro-businesses of Samewa in Moquegua, who were also deceived by the Chinese company Heshouba.

in the execution of a work in that locality, in Samewa, micro-businessmen came, Pune, Arequipa, Moqueguan, Ayacuchans, who had been deceived by Chayna Heshova, and we went to the Ministry of Housing, sorry, to the Ministry of Transportation and Communications to protest,

After insisting a lot, they received us as if they were doing us a favor, but they told us that the Ministry of Transportation and Communications and that the Peruvian State had nothing to do with that contract, with those scams, as we call them, made by China Geshowa to those micro-commerciants. We said, "But how are they going to have to see if this is a public work?" And finally, what is the purpose of the Peruvian State if it is not to defend its citizens?

Then, in the meetings in the Ministry of Transport and Communications, we realized the familiarity that the MTC officials had with the representatives of these Chinese companies, from China He Shouwa at that time. And the same thing happened with the congressmen from Peru Libre, who were invited to meetings

in Samewa, in Moquegua, to which also came employees of this company, China Heshova, and to which the scammers were not invited.

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Yes, and I insisted on Fernando Rospigliosi on Friday, and he said he was going to prioritize the report.

I would ask him not to prioritize anything because every time the report is put on the desk of a congressman, that congressman ends up much happier than before his investigations were initiated. I think that unfortunately in the congress the coima, the bribery,

a favor de los congresistas que han intervenido en estas investigaciones y finalmente el pago de esas coimas, de esos sobornos, ¿de dónde sale? De nuestro dinero, del dinero de los peruanos, ¿no?

de lo que ganan estas empresas por no entregarnos las obras. Y por estafar a los peruanos. Y claro, o sea, los estafados, los microempresarios arequipeños, moquehuanos, ayacuchanos, puneños, que han sido estafados por estas empresas chinas, finalmente no reciben aquello que les deben. Entonces nosotros seguimos en pie de protesta

not only for Chinese companies but for all foreign companies that come to Peru to scam the Peruvians supported by bad politicians. And speaking of bad politicians, I want to go back to the year 2018, because

This way, this force is charged with Vizcarra, right? As we know it. I think Vizcarra opened the door for them. I think so, precisely and especially with the pandemic, right? Because let's remember that Vizcarra got vaccinated in secret and who brought the vaccine was precisely the People's Republic of China and a list of beneficiaries that we don't know yet. From there I started

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humbling for Peruvians because the company Costco Shipping, which depends mainly on the People's Republic of China, deceives us that Shanghai is a 100% private investment. That's what they say, right? Shanghai is a 100% private investment. With that pretext, the port of Shanghai

no tiene un contrato de concesión o Costco Shipping que administra ese puerto, no tiene un contrato de concesión firmado con el Estado peruano. De tal manera que las tarifas portuarias que se cobren en ese puerto no van a poder ser reguladas, no pueden ser reguladas por Osinermín porque no existe un contrato de concesión. Ellos dicen que no debe existir un contrato de concesión porque es una infraestructura 100% privada, pero un momentito.

Eso está construido sobre territorio de propiedad inalienable del Estado peruano. Entonces, ¿qué hay? No hay nada. Busquen. Eso es lo que yo les digo a los periodistas. Busquen el contrato de concesión firmado por Costco Shipping con el Estado peruano. No existe. Nos mienten mucho.

that is a 100% private infrastructure, that is a 100% private investment, and it is not because it is made on the coast, the coast of the Peruvian Sea, which according to what the Constitution establishes, cannot be private property. It is inalienable property of the Peruvian State. But what document protects its investment? A session in US? Something has to be signed, right?

There is a license that was finally granted to you by law during the government of Mrs. Dina Boluarte, but also with the support of the Congress of the Republic. That is not being investigated, Diego. And I would like to draw the attention of the good politicians,

of patriot journalism to analyze not only the non-existence of the concession contract in the case of the port of Chiang Kai but also to analyze tremendously harmful situations such as the one in Matarani. The Matarani port exploitation contract was won in the year 2029

but Mrs. Dina Boloarte with her former minister Cesar Sandoval from the party of Mr. Cesar Acuña, signed four years before the bankruptcy of the Mata Rani port in 2025,

The exploitation contract was signed in 2029. In 2025, they signed an amendment for 30 years more in favor of Tizur, which is the one that has been exploiting the port of Matarani. What is the trouble that they signed that amendment four years before? Why?

no, they called a public petition to know if there were other possible port investors who could offer not only better infrastructure, greater investment, but also better technology for the exploitation of the port of Matarani. I mean, by hand. By hand! They have given him the exploitation of the port of Matarani in Islay, in Arequipa, for 30 years more, without any competition, and that's why I...

I tell my friends on the right, you know I'm an APRA member. APRA is Democratic Left. I have my friends on the right. APRA members also defend free competition. I ask my friends on the right, I tell them:

Why don't we all defend free competition? Why do we allow... Exactly. Why do we allow presidents like Dina Boluarte, like José Geri, to hand over the biggest contracts with the state? And I warn you,

is happening in the case of Calida and TGP, gas transport companies in Peru. The current Minister of Energy and Mines, Mr. Luis Bravo, has already announced that they are going to sign an amendment to these contracts that have just been signed in 2033. In this interim government of Mr. José Gerín,

They are going to sign, in advance, amendments until 2043 with Calida and TGP companies. What is the trouble if those contracts just won in 2033? Why are they already signing the amendments? What business is there for the interim president, José Geri? There is the corruption resolution. But of course. Of course.

I take advantage of your program, dear Diego, and knowing that you are a defender of free competition, I take advantage of your program to make these denunciations for the grave attack that is being committed against the Peruvian interests. And I believe that in the defense of the Peruvian interests, we must all be together. So, for people to understand, the Chinese lobby has fallen on all the states. Uff!

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For example, electric energy. The People's Republic of China, through its companies, for example, in Lima Metropolitana, controls the distribution of electric energy, the distribution of electricity, through Luz del Sur to the southern part of Lima and through Enel to the north. So, there it is absolutely controlled.

control over this by the People's Republic of China but keep in mind that in the issue of electricity let's say that the activity is divided into three stages first generation the production of electricity the transmission of electricity and then the distribution in the distribution in Lima is occupied by the Chinese not through the south light and in it

and the generation, the production of electricity is also in the hands of the company China Triorch that operates in Shakya, right? So we have what economists, you economists call vertical integration, where the one who produces has a relationship

of economic interest with the one who distributes. It could be that the one who produces generates that electricity intended to favor its distributors. That's what we presume, because it's Chagia and the San Gabán 3 project. Exactly. Both are generators. And that would mean that, for example, the producer

manipulate the prices in such a way that only their distributors can buy it and only they, as they have the monopoly, put the price they want to those in our homes and in our companies we consume electricity. How did the conditions change, we were talking about Vizcarra, in favor of Chinese companies during their government?

Guaranteed. Directly, as the president of the OCE court, well, I was president of the court until 2011, but logically I continued to study the rules. Directly, I can tell you that the modifications of the State Contract Law favored Chinese companies.

For example, taking a bold view, it was allowed for Chinese companies to present guarantees of faithful execution of the contract, guarantees delivered by themselves, by the Bank of the People's Republic of China. The same value as the total amount of the work. Those guarantees are for 10% of the value of the work.

Correct? But while a competitor, a Peruvian businessman, must go to any of the banks, of the four banks that we have in Peru, to any of the banks to request, to ask, to beg, to give them a fiancé letter to guarantee the faithful fulfillment of the contract in the execution of a work and the bank analyzes, sees if it gives it, if it doesn't give it, it charges them for the grant of that guarantee.

Chinese companies did not have to do all that process to present the guarantee that is needed for the signing of the contract. Chinese companies simply turned, they themselves made their little card and handed it over as if, and as if also those guarantees had the same value as the guarantee that a Peruvian businessman could present.

The State Contracts Law requires, let's explain it in simpler words, less technical. The State Contracts Law establishes that to sign a labor execution contract, for example, the suppliers must present a guarantee of faithful fulfillment of that contract.

A common and regular businessman must go to a bank and request that letter of trust or that guarantee. On the other hand, the Chinese did not have to resort to any bank other than them, but to their own bank of the People's Republic of China. They requested, obtained guarantees, who knows, without financial support, and presented them.

having in that way a privilege against any other competitor who was not Chinese. Those types of injustices are the ones that were foreseen

in the State Contract Law. And also, only in the analysis of the offers of the Chinese companies, when they had to credit having experience in the execution of works, you realize that the contracts they present as experience are practically invented. Who was this work executed to? To a bridge in China. Who do you ask? To the same People's Republic of China, which will never say

That means that the contracts presented as experiences by their companies are going to be false. It is unreachable for a Peruvian entrepreneur. Exactly. So, unfortunately, the laws in Peru are made in favor of corruption and that also has a lot to do with bribery because we don't think that the coima is delivered only when the good pro is obtained and the contract is signed. Unfortunately, the high-ranking Peruvian officials, and that comes from Odebrecht,

They are sold to very large economic interests and they make the rules in such a way that at the time the Brazilian companies and today the Chinese companies will always legally win the contracts because the rules are made to their own measure. How much money has circulated around there? Uff, a lot of money. That's why I saw many people

Diego, I can tell you, I saw many people get to work at the OCE in the micro and finish

in cars, but really multi-millionaires in Peru. Now, this is part of what we have to fight for, right? Which gives me the following question: Are you going to the Senate? I'm going to the National Senate with the number 3 for the APRA, in my party since always. Why do I want to go to the National Senate? First of all, because I want to represent all the regions of the country.

And secondly, because I want to continue doing what I have always done, for many years now, fighting corruption. Because I believe that the big problem, the first thing we must solve is corruption, which is the one that steals the money we need to give security to our streets, to our children. Corruption steals the money we need

to have the materials and educational infrastructure that Peruvian children need, and especially those in rural areas. Corruption kills, because because of corruption, at this time, we don't have the hospitals we need, the beds of intensive care units we need. We don't have what we Peruvians need to save lives. And here I want to

maybe use your space to make a personal reflection. Right now I have a relative very close, but very close, who is waiting for an ICU bed at the Almenara Hospital. We have done all the management to save the life of our relative and we have given ourselves the sad surprise that there are five people waiting

I have with my family a bed for their life in the hospital Almenara. I have the feeling of being in the Titanic, in which unfortunately the Peruvians have to compete with each other to save the lives of our family members.

How is it possible? Not having to be like that. Because we have the resources. You know, Diego, look, the General Contralor of the Republic says that annually in Peru approximately 25,000 million soles are lost because of corruption.

Taking into account that, that means that daily we lose 60 million soles because of corruption. 60 million soles. Do you know how much it cost, for example, the Urgencias de Villa El Salvador hospital? 100 million soles. 100 million soles.

It costs an emergency hospital, but 60 million soles are lost daily because of corruption. So we have money. The money is there. What happens is that they steal it, they take it away. And that money is what we need to save lives, to give our children the education they need to have a dignified job later on. And that's why I feel that my mission

which is fighting corruption, which I have been fighting since I was very young and I had many, many bitter episodes in my life because I fought against corruption because there are corruption rings within public institutions, very powerful. I had even... I denounced the corrupt and the corrupt ended up judging me, right? Happily.

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for example, the bill that the House of Representatives, the House of Representatives, but to participate in the election of very important officials such as the General Secretary of the Republic, the President of the Central Reserve Bank, and I think he must have the necessary preparation to establish

Thank you very much Diego and thank you very much to all the Peruvians who have listened to us.

Thank you.