VIRAL‼️ K*RB4N PON-P3S DI LOMBOK, INI KEJADIAN YG SEBENARNYA…

So yesterday there was a case of victim's suspicion of Aniaya in Ponpes Rosidatu Saulatiyah, Lombok.

So, yesterday, when one of the content creators who helped, Adit, contacted me, and we agreed to go to Jakarta, it turns out they were stopped at the airport.

We didn't know that either. Well, it turns out that everyone is here. Right? Hi, how are you? I'm fine. You are Al, right? You are Devine, right? Devine's mother. Devine's mother. The mother of Sarin Samirin. Who passed away. According to the blessing of the goddess. And Mrs. Putri who started to accompany. Mas Joko who accompanied Al and Devine.

I want to ask first, actually, when you were at the airport, you wanted to leave, right? Ibu was there, right? Yes. Why was she stopped? Because the reason was because Depen was still being treated at the hospital. Whose reason? From Ibu Poldah. Okay. Then, if she was still being treated, Ibu could have left, right? Yes.

still you can't go too? we were told to go together, never alone. with whom? with Adi and Bang Kobel, we went together. Oh, like that. never asked to go without Devin. Now, Devin is still being treated, what is still being treated? He said that

- Preparation for surgery. - Preparation for surgery. - Yes. - So, the DZ treatment. - So, you have to go back to the hospital. - Yes. - Now, when you go from the hospital, do you ask for permission? - Ask for permission. - Ask for permission from whom?

Mr. Adi asked for permission from the doctor. The doctor gave permission? Yes, he gave permission. At the Bayangkara Hospital, are there police officers who guard or not? Yes. Okay, did you ask for permission from the officer? I don't know. Okay, but the point is that you know it has been allowed. Yes, it was allowed by the doctor. Okay, that's why you wanted to go to Jakarta

my place, but it was stopped. Yes. Mother, you weren't confused at that time why it was stopped? confused. confused. That's the only explanation. So finally everyone went home. Yes. Where did you go? To the hospital? Yes, to the Bayangkara hospital. Devine? To the hospital. Same. Al? To the hospital too. Okay. What do you do at the hospital? I'm treated. What are you treated for? My legs. Replaced with a bandage? Yes.

- Are you guys hot or something? - No. - So you just take a rest? - Yes. - Okay. Then after that, you said you were invited to the mall.

I didn't go with him. I went to the mall with Devin. Devin went to the mall with who? Mr. Joko. Why did you go to the mall? I was called by the family.

that Devin had an accident. He wanted to get out of the car. At that time, I found him at the parking lot. I asked his mother, "Is this Mr. Devin?"

At first, I asked for a noodle. But then, they closed the canteen. Then, let's just walk around. But I asked for permission from the hospital. This child is probably in a fight. Because he was entertained. Then, I asked him to go out first. So he can calm down. Because of the fight. And from the morning, at first...

He had a fight with his mother because he was bathed. That's when the night came. The point is, he didn't pee in the hospital. Devin didn't pee at the hospital, right?

If you're afraid, say, "I'm afraid to talk." If you don't dare to talk, say, "You don't dare to talk." Just talk, what's the matter? - I just want to say, Vin. - It's okay. When you were in the hospital, after being taken back to the hospital, were you bored? - Bored. - Bored. Why are you bored? Because I can't go out. You can't go out?

When you were in the hospital, did you just sleep or what? I slept. You slept? I watched TV. You watched TV. And then, did you get any action?

just get treated for the wound, yes, it's still wet, Mom, was there a hospital too? Yes, okay, at that time at the hospital, Devin was treated or what did you see? I saw that he was also there for therapy, then the wound was also treated, okay, then Devin had told you he wanted to go home, yes, then you

What did you say to Devin? You can't go home? Yes, you can't go home. Why don't you just take him home? The doctor and the nurses there said they wanted to prepare him for the operation and also so that the GZ is filled. Okay, when is the operation scheduled? After he comes home from here. After he comes home from here? Yes. I saw it yesterday, so the condition is because

The process was not coordinated. So in the morning, when the mother left from Bayangkara Hospital, she left for the provincial hospital for control and then she should return. Well, in the provincial hospital, it seems that she wanted to be taken to the airport.

from this hospital did not know, there was no coordination, he did not know that he was taken to the airport. Okay, I want to ask first about the incident. What month was the incident that they experienced? At the end of December. At the end of December, yes? Yes. Okay, Al and Devin, when the incident happened, when your hands were burned and all kinds of things,

What are you guys doing? Devin is fixing the fan. Who is there fixing it? Devin and Almarhum. Okay, there is Devin, there is Almarhum,

there is Al, then who else? Yus. Yus. No, only three. Oh only three. Okay, fix the fan. After this is fixed, why can you finally get burned? What is it called? You collect plastic from the police station,

Rehan? Yes. Rehan is a classmate. Classmate. The one who was suspected? Yes. Okay. Classmate. Oh. Then who else? There is Yus. Yus. Oh, that means you are five, right? Five, right? Yes. Not three, right? Yes. Are you fixing the fan again? No. No? Okay. So the third one who fixed the fan was originally Devine. Then it was the other one, right?

David said he didn't know because he was busy with the fan. Okay, another one. So there are five in total. In the room. In the room, Al. That's the room. Yes, the former room of the Ustad. Then why is there gasoline, why is there a fire? Tell me. Actually, Rehen asked me to

Sabirin buys gasoline. Okay, so Rehani told Sabirin, her daughter, to buy gasoline. What for? He said he wanted to make a pack. He said he wanted to make a pack. Okay. Do you really have to use gasoline to make a pack? I don't know. I just made a pack of gasoline.

Why? It's just a coincidence that he heard that he knew that if he wanted to make a signboard, he had to use gasoline. Okay, after that, Sobirin went to buy gasoline. Yes. Okay, you guys are still in the room. No, I went with Rehen and Yus. I was asked by Rehen to look for wood. Okay.

So you, Rehan, Yus, go looking for wood. Sobirin, go buy gasoline. Devin, repair the tires. Right? Okay. So, gasoline has been bought by Sobirin. Sobirin, you guys who are looking for wood. Yes, I'm in front of the room. Sobirin has come to bring the gasoline. So, where did you bring the gasoline? To the room?

or in another place? in the room, one bottle okay, taken to the room that was the place to clean the fan, right? yes the former room of the ustad, right? yes okay, in the room, what is the gasoline for? first, it is poured into

Mika. Oh, he poured it into Mika. Mika is a place of worship. It's like a former agar-agar. It's filled with gasoline. It's poured into Mika. Then the rest is still put in the bottle.

Then what is it for? For the firewood. Oh, to heat the firewood. Yes. To heat the wood. To straighten it. Do you usually make firewood? Usually. Do you usually use that?

No. What do you usually use? What do you usually use? Do you use ordinary fire? No. Just use the direct one? Direct. I just found out if you make a stove using fire. Yes, I just found out too. Because when we were young, we made a stove, just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it. Just use it

So after the fire is on, the wood is put on top of the fire? Do you want to straighten it? No.

- The fire was on. - The fire was on, right? - Yes. - Then? - The fire was directly spread to the gas tank. - Oh, so the fire was on, it spread to the gas tank, it became big. - Yes. - Okay, it became big. Well, when the fire was big, panic, right? - Panic. - Panic, okay. What did you do then?

I wanted to go out, but Rehan and Ayus could go out. You wanted to go out? Yes, but the fire was already burning from the front door. Oh, so the fire was in front of the door, you couldn't go there? Yes. Okay. Where is Rehan? He went out immediately. Oh, so when the fire was burning into the gas, you said, "Pray!"

He ran away. And Yus. Both of them. He didn't say, "Let's run away." He ran away. So you, Devin, and Sobirin were left inside.

- Is that so? - Yes. - Is there anyone who still tries to open that door? - Yes. - Who? - Me. - You and Devin? - Yes. - That's why it's burned. - Then the chair was burned and enlarged. The bigger the chair, the bigger the chair. - Okay. So you tried to open that door? - Yes. - Yes, even though there was fire. - Yes. - Did the door open? - No. - Why didn't it open? - Because it was hard. Because someone was kicked out.

- To the doorstep. - Did you knock? - No. - Pull? - I... - You can't pull? - I can't pull, I'm screaming. - Oh, but you tried to pull? - Yes. - There's no handle. - The door handle is missing. - Oh, there's no handle. - There's no handle. - Where's the handle? - The door. - The door said there was no handle. - Yes.

When you enter the room, is there a door handle? No. Is there a door handle outside? No. So the door is just push and pull, right? Is there a key? No. Okay. So when the door is out, the door should be open, right?

When Rehan ran away, the door was closed. It was closed. No. Rehan and I opened the door and Rehan came back. The door was closed. It was closed. So, the story I heard at the beginning is that when Rehan came out, Yus also came out while opening the door.

hard, when he came out, the door was immediately closed. Closed? Not pulled by Rehan? No, he was closed himself. Yes. Obviously, when he was closed. But he didn't know if he was pulled or something. The point is, did you see the door closed by itself or did you see the door closed? Closed by itself. Did you see the door closed by itself? So this is the door.

- Like this, right? He was alone? - Yes. - No one pulled him? - No. - Okay. You shouted and asked for help? - Yes. - Okay. Is there a voice in front of you that said, "Wait, we're looking for help"? - I don't know. - There's no one? Okay. It's a big fire. - Yes. - You panicked? - Panicked. - So, Birin?

Where is the position? I don't know, because it's dark in the room because of the smoke and fire. So you try to get out or you just stay still? No, I want to try to get out. Try to get out? Where to? After all, the door can't be opened.

- I just gave up. If I can't do it anymore, I give up. - Oh, you gave up? - I gave up. - So you got burned? - Yes, I think I just want to die, I gave up. - Oh, you already felt that you would die there? - Yes. - Crying? - Yes, I cried. - You got your hands burned when you were in that position. Your legs got burned. All this fire. - Fire. - Clothes?

No, just a little bit of the clothes. A little bit of clothes. You didn't try to turn off the fire? It's already good. When I came out, the fire was already off. Oh, when it came out? Yes. After it was poured with water. Oh, after it came out. Yes. If Devi, sorry, the hand on the right. Because I was trying to open the door. Oh, let me see, darling. So when you tried to open the door, the fire was already burning here. So your hand was burnt. Oh.

trying to open the door, right? / Trying to open the door, but the body is already burnt, as if that's it, and it's dark, smokey. Nearby there is also a

plastic, there are also plastic sheets that stick to the body, there are also plastic sheets that stick to the body, so it's all one, plastic sheets, after that

- The door was opened? - No, it was knocked down by a friend. - Who knocked it down? - Nanang. - Nanang, the name of the person. He knocked it down from the outside. - Yes. My friend took the water and someone knocked it down. - Okay, finally you guys can get out. - Yes. - Okay. Devin and Al came out. They were immediately poured water. Where is Sobirin?

- Sobiru? - Same time? - Same time. - He also got out? - Yes. - He managed to get out? Okay. Everyone was poured water. After that, who came?

Did the Porn Pest leader come? Yes, he came. I left the room with the fire. The two friends who helped, the Porn Pest leader came. It was crowded. Yes, it was crowded. All the students came. Please. Did Rehan and Yus come? I don't know. I didn't see them.

After that, finally, did you just know? No. No? No. There was a father. Okay, what was the story after that incident to you? I know the incident actually happened after 5 days at the hospital. Just 5 days later? Yes. Why did you just know 5 days later?

The children can only talk after 5 days of treatment at the hospital. Did the pompest contact you? Did you know that the child was burned that day or after? That day, but it was already afternoon, I was about to leave Maghreb. Who told you? My daughter who went home told me. Her brother was in school there too.

Okay, so you told your sister. After that, you went straight to the hospital to see your daughter. Yes. Okay, after that, five days later, you found out the story. Yes. Because you can talk. Yes. Okay. Sobirin is also there? Yes. Okay. When did you find out about your daughter at the hospital? When did you find out?

Or the first time a child was taken by a hospital? That day too. At noon, noon, and night? At noon. Who told you? Who called or told you? The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister. The elder sister

The last one to come is the family of Sahril Sobirin. The last one. So, when did Sahril Sobirin die? Two months later. Oh, two months. Before the Ramadan. Yes. Let me ask you, how did he feel when he saw his son at that time? Then he died. How was it when you saw Sahril? Because Sahril Sobirin was the most...

The worst, indeed, he has a little burn that is visible, which is still 80% How is it? He was very sad, almost crazy to see his son burned

Then, I make sure I hope the child is healthy, but it turns out that the child is not healthy. Who are you disappointed with? - Pompest. - Pompest. Because you put your child there. Is that the only child or the last child? - The last one. - And that, Bang, so there is a statement that we also often

So the child who enters the pond, the language there is to give up the act of mayung sebunggul. So if you give the child to the pond, it's like giving up a whole snake. Whatever you want to do, it's up to you.

What are the requirements? There is a requirement in the Tartib Act that when you give up your child, it's like giving up a whole deer. There is such a writing, a deer, a whole deer. Then with the condition of the mother's child who has finally returned home, the mother had

- Did you contact PONPES for responsibility? - Yes, for responsibility. - Maybe I can explain a little, Bang. - Go ahead. - So, the first time it happened, according to the victim's brother, his brother tried to make a police report. - Okay. - Okay. - In December, right? - Yes. But because his brother worked there or had a relationship with the owner of PONPES,

They were not comfortable with reporting. Plus, there was a promise from the PONPES to help with their treatment costs. So, it was like breaking up in this family, between the older brother and the older brother. In the end, because they waited, just like with the others, they were promised by the PONPES owner that they would do the treatment, the help.

at this time there is no, even a cent, not even a few, only 200,000, 500,000, 500,000, 300,000, 150,000, so it's not even close, how much is the total?

1.650.000 total total that you get if this mother is the same as that they have said there are numbers how many they want to give no no okay continue

- Maybe it's like this, I heard it right away, why it was burned. Actually, this story after we revealed it, there was an incident before it happened. An incident before the burning happened. - I heard that too. - Maybe that's what we have to open up too, that there is a side here, there is a

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children who like to bully according to the story, they often become victims of bullying by two people, okay, R and Y, not Y, but Y, Yusuf, children, it's often beaten, even

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What's the bad thing about that? It's just that. If Yusuf hits you, what does he hit? What does he hit with?

using his hands. What about you, Devin? Do you get beaten up by Yusuf often? What do you get beaten up for? He's sleeping, and he's being kicked by Yusuf. What's the reason for that? I don't know.

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Rehan threatened you? No. Did you threaten Rehan? No. What did you say? No. Oh no, you weren't threatened? No. Really? You weren't threatened? If I were, I wouldn't. You weren't threatened by Rehan?

Al, are you threatened by Rehan? No. Then, is there anyone who threatens you? "If you do this, I'll burn you." Is there anyone? If I'm threatened, maybe he doesn't have friends.

Oh, you met? No, I'm not friends with him. Oh, threatened. If you complain, you are not friends with Rehan. The point is, Deven was never threatened. If he was threatened, maybe I was not friends with him. Oh, that's right. Where did you get the information that if they were threatened, they would be burned? I got the information from the deceased who told his mother.

Oh, Sobirin. Sobirin told her. Yes, if she wants to be burned, let's say 3 days before or 2 days before. By? By Rehan. Rehan, the blood. If she doesn't want to, she doesn't want to buy gasoline. Oh, so there's already a conversation about buying gasoline. Yes. Sobirin told the deceased that she was forced to buy gasoline. If she doesn't want to, she will.

Oh, the one that was just bought? Yes, the one that was just bought. When you want to be asked to buy gasoline, if you don't want to buy gasoline, you will be beaten. Oh, so it was Sobirin who was asked to buy gasoline. Yes, he was told to buy gasoline. He admitted that he was told to buy gasoline.

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Yes, it's like that, right? Yes, that's right. So, Sobirin was forced to buy gasoline from Rehan. Sobirin, tell me, what for? Oh, another ketepe. Oh, another ketepe. Yes, another ketepe. Devin, do you usually make ketepe?

Playing the ketepe? No. Al is playing, right? I was invited to make a ketepe. But if you make a ketepe, do you use fire, Devin?

I don't know. Al, do you make ketape with fire? No. Do you often make ketape? Often, but not with fire. Not with fire? Can you not use fire? Yes. Okay. So there is already an element at the beginning, right? That's what makes the suspicion happen. Yes, that's what we do. Okay, but I heard from Mas Joko.

If we called yesterday, that this is an element of accident. So what we saw from the police yesterday, actually at first we introduced the children's rights law. But then, because at first, the witnesses who then, all of these children, what was said was that they wanted to make a sign.

That's all. So from there, there is no... So the police didn't investigate the explanation in detail. Wait a minute. At the beginning of the incident at the December Pornfest, the police didn't come? There was Babin. Babin, right? Babin. Babin didn't go to the prosecutor's office. But he wanted to know, bro.

At least he informed us. If we got the story from his brother yesterday, we were the first to tell it. Try to tell the version of Mrs. Putri first.

Before we touch on this matter, we must first understand why there is no report, why you don't continue this. The first is because there is still a family relationship. Yes, the first one. Then the second one. Waiting for the right time. Then the second one, I asked, "Does the village head know about this incident?" They said, "I know, but I didn't report it."

So it's just like an ordinary accident. Then the police, did Mr. Bin know? There was. Mr. Bin said he had already reported it. Oh, he asked to report. But because the family felt

Yes.

why do you have to wait for the victim first or from the Polsek side, visit the house because if there is usually a case like this, the police can immediately investigate independently because this is not a special crime, this is a public crime, yes this is a public crime, right? So it should be the police, like the BABIN, report to the leadership that there is an accident like whatever the shape is, whether it is an accident or deliberately burned, but

but there was a soul victim at that time. So the point is that Mrs. Bin also waited for them because they waited for the police to have a good opinion. So the miscommunication is there, right? Yes. So the police can also be considered as not knowing, right? Because it is not informed, right? If it's in PONDO, they should know, right? They should know. They should know.

But because it seems that from the beginning it was made as if it was an accident, so then the report was an accident, even in the hospital, it was an accident, sir. The BPJS also uses that as a basis.

It was made as if from the beginning the Pondok Pesantren made it a accident. That's why you can use BPJS at first. But after it was blown up, this knowledge is not an accident, there are other elements, BPJS is stopped.

That's right. BPJS said they can't use it anymore. Then you were told to pay the BPJS money that they have been issuing for a long time because this is not an accident, right? Yes. How much is that? About Rp. 19,000 or Rp. 20,000. So the treatment money that has been in the hands of BPJS, you were told to return it?

- It's a fine. - A fine? - Yes. - Because there was a statement at first. - Yes, I understand. But it's not their fault either, sir. Yes, because there is also a ponpesh position here. Ponpesh is 40 days. So here, I haven't finished it yet. So 40 days, this is the one who is less taught, I say the ponpesh.

already not allowed, the permit is dead, there is no permit, the personal permit is dead, 40 days Almarhum died, never came, even died, did not come 40 days came to make a peace letter, there is a peace letter that states that it is not in their signature, so it is not in the signature, there is one who signs, there is one who is the father, I was wrong for a moment, the problem of the head of the POMPES who was there when he was in Malaya, he came

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But, that's also the problem with Mrs. Polda, so that it doesn't become a problem either. Mrs. Polda said she didn't give permission to go to Jakarta. Her mother said, give her a consideration. Better for you to go

What is that called? Post-case or better to be taken care of at the hospital or how? I said, if for the sake of the health of the deputy, I can't go, I won't go. Okay. There is no prohibition to deliberately prohibit it, sir. Okay, so he actually gave a consideration when he was at the airport. No, when I was at the hospital. At the hospital. That was after the airport? No.

before the airport before the airport before the airport the police said you want to choose a podcast or change it like that, right? But after that you left the podcast, you want to podcast, right? to the airport, right? but after that, it's a hospital, Mr. Yangkara, they went to the provincial hospital first, the provincial hospital first, then to the airport, so if

the story, this is just a story because I am also not in the location, so in the morning I met with Mrs. Kapolda because she was looking for her, because she was the one who took her to the hospital, then when she met, there was a consideration, I just heard this, I just heard that in the morning I met Mrs. Kapolda, Mrs. and Mr. Kapolda, they actually already know that you are going to Jakarta, so she

maybe he was listening in the morning to make sure that he was there before going to Jakarta, maybe he met that morning, then he was given the consideration, after that, they went to the Bayangkara Hospital, using an ambulance to the provincial hospital, then the first entry was

Devi, what is the purpose of the provincial hospital? Control. Because there was a previous communication between the provincial hospital director, as far as I know. Because when we were taken to Bayangkara, we didn't know either. Then we clarified why we were taken to Bayangkara Hospital. Oh, it turns out there was a communication between Pak Kapolda and the provincial hospital director to speed up the healing process. The child was taken to Bayangkara Hospital, treated,

communication, that day he was taken to the provincial hospital for control, Devin entered first, after Devin left, he went straight to the airport Oh, that's the story, yesterday he was given consideration, but in the end you chose to stay in Jakarta Yes, because the doctor said you can

Oh, you can. So you left. Suddenly, the airport was stopped. Yes, that's right. Who stopped it? The boss said, "You can't go anymore." Oh, you can't go. What else? There was no report from the superior. Oh, so don't go. That's why the time is

I don't know why I was brought from the house to Bayangkara, but at that time I only forgot that I wanted to be taken to Bayangkara Hospital. Then I arrived at the Bayangkara Hospital and I also knew that I was brought to the hospital.

the recovery earlier accelerated and poor mother because her mother is also pregnant. Oh pregnant, mother pregnant? Yes. How old is the child? 5 months. Okay, then? So when that happened, once again, I said we weren't there because we just made sure because at that time it was a control schedule. Usually I see, ask, if it's during control, how was it at the hospital? Did you get paid?

Because sometimes there are still, right? At first, sir, you were told to do this, but after... / You were told to pay? / Yes. / Yes, but... / With the hospital? / Yes. / The one in the province, sir? / Yes, in the province. / The one that controls it? / Yes, in the province. / The BPJS guarantee was over, right? / Yes. / At first, we called, please don't...

- We just burden the children or victims. - I think it's already coordinated with Kapolda, if for example, brought from Bayangkara to the province. - No, before that. Usually when it comes to control, before the hospital, before Kapolda, I only make sure it's already going. On the day of Hajj, in the morning, I only make sure.

Because it's already in Bayangkara Hospital, I thought it was safe to be taken to the provincial hospital, so then I called, "Have you gone to the provincial hospital to get a checkup?" "No." "Oh, have you, sir?" "Yes, sir." I thought it was clear.

So from the LPA team, it's not in the Bayangkara Hospital, in the provincial hospital, or in the airport, we don't know. We only know in the afternoon. The point is, sir, I want to say that Mrs. Polda and Mr. Polda did not forbid me, that's it. Now I want to ask, when you want to go to Jakarta, you want to go to my podcast, you know that? Yes, I know. Why do you want to go to Jakarta?

right, Adi said that if you go to Jakarta, who knows, someone will tell you to make the defense take the medicine better, like that, oh, to look for help, yes, okay, then to look for what else justice, yes, so that someone is responsible for what is done by the defense, with Al, that's right, he's excited to leave, but it doesn't work, yes, he's back, yes, when he's back at the hospital,

- So, I know this matter has been going on since last month. There are so many people who are attacking us.

I tried to find information. Finally, when we wanted to tell, we got news that Mr. Polda had already been released. It means we were relieved. Yes, I also got the news. I thought, "Oh, it's okay." It's okay, right? It means there is help. But from several investigations that we did, there is something that we got. Why can it only be revealed in a few months? Why can it only be

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With the help of volunteers, we got information like this. That these children were not given assistance or treatment by PONPES. They were burned alive. That's what we got at first. We heard that they were burned alive. We thought, "How come?"

In short, I got information from my media colleagues, and they gave the information directly to Mr. Hotman. Then I was asked by Mr. Hotman, on Thursday, I left Rabu, I communicated, "How can I take care of these children? Can I?" From the family, they said, "You can't take care of them." "Why?" "We are strictly guarded. Even if you want to take care of them, you have to fill in the guestbook."

- Okay. -

because of what happened yesterday when they went to the airport, eh, they wanted to go to the airport. Yes, suddenly to the airport. Well, here's the wrong thing, we don't know why. So, I waited, bro. I waited, why can't we be drunk? Then, oh, it's complicated, it's difficult, you can't do it, all kinds of things. Well, I tried to find out where the LPA is. I want to try to talk. Meet with Mas Joko. Well, just yesterday, we met with Mas Joko yesterday. Finally, the day

On Friday, I got a call from Mr. Habib. Mr. Habib, the chairman of the third commission. He called me. "Come here quickly. I don't want to know. I have to be able to see the children." I said, "I've been trying to get a hold of them, but they said they can't. They are not allowed to be there. There are media, there are other people besides their parents who keep them there."

Why is that the question? I don't know. But I will answer it. Actually when... Wait, I'll tell you first. Later Mr. Joko will answer. This is what I know. So that later Mr. Joko has time. It's natural for us to ask, "Why can't I?" I waited. Finally Mr. Habib called me. "Sister, tomorrow you go to Jakarta to bring the victim and his family." Then I said, "Brother, I said there was already a LPA." "I can't."

I still have to be here, the LPN also doesn't communicate. Try to contact who the LPN is, right? I don't know if there is communication either. Yes, it's okay. This is from the BapuTri version. Well, finally yesterday, Friday, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday,

I forced him to come, I communicated. The fact is that I had to go through several stages. I saw the video. I also had to... Sorry, I don't know what the purpose is. Because usually, you know, we also usually deal with cases like this. There is no brain that is as strict as this in our opinion. Yes, this is a victim. Especially this is a victim. Especially we are also...

social activities. We are also advocates for children.

I was annoyed yesterday. Why are you so complicated? You just want to get angry. I told them that this was a message from Mr. Otman and Mr. Habib. I want to meet with the victims and their families. Because I was asked to bring them and advocate for them. To provide legal assistance and justice, legal protection for them.

I waited for it, Bang. I told it honestly.

We also felt that it was difficult to enter. Usually if we want to enter, we just enter. But we have to wait first, ask for permission first, and then wait. That's the first thing in front of us. Then the second thing, I entered the middle room, asked for permission again, and waited again. I had a communication. I said, "What is it, sir? Why can't we do it?" "I have to get permission first, ma'am, from the leadership." "Why do you have to get permission?" I said, "This is..."

We are clear-minded people, right? We are not the media. We are carrying out the order, right? We are carrying out the order of the leader. I showed the contents of Mr. Habib's ID card to the police officer who was guarding the place yesterday. Then he communicated with someone, I don't know who.

So, we waited for the person who gave us the permission. I asked, "Who is the person who gave us the permission?" "The LPA," he said. I said, "Well, the LPA can collaborate with us, right?" "Why not?" "Well, we just wait."

Oh, you just met Joko? Not yet, I met him. Bang Ian, right? Oh, Bang Ian. One of his team. Nah, Bang Ian also waited for him.

- Oh, it's the same, waiting too. - So, I went down, we talked, I asked, "Bang, can we come in?" "Yes, I'm waiting first." I don't know what to do, I don't know what to do, I don't understand. The point is, the short story is, we were allowed to enter. Once we entered, we were told, "Ma'am, sorry, later the victim will be taken out."

I was confused. At first, I thought, "Why did they bring us out? This is sick. Why do we have to be outside?" Later, they brought us out because the room was messy and not comfortable. It's okay, it's a hospital.

with some considerations, some of them just go in, but mother, see if you are happy or not, it's a hospital, it's impossible for us to ask for help, please clean it up, it's impossible, maybe he's afraid you don't like dirty things, we think positively, but this is

this is a hospital, not a house. And I'm not just anyone, I only got the order and I'm also a social worker, a child worker, right? Well, we know that the condition is a hospital. Whether he's sick or not, we have to accept it, because we come to the hospital. Finally, when we entered, I saw that the children were happy. What are you handling? No, if Devin

I was embarrassed to sleep last night. I laughed. I said, "This is healthy, but he doesn't do anything." "No, he's embarrassed." I saw that there was still a pus and the wound was being cleaned. From there, to be honest, I feel there is a slight deviation in our opinion, because it's not me who sees it. Why do we have to go through

It's a layer of this examination. This is a victim. And if it is said that you must get intensive care, why do you go to the mall at night? So we understand. People can be suspicious. We can be suspicious. Finally we know the information that Devin is crying and wants to go home. Maybe he's sick at home. Like the one he had been confirmed.

But this is what I said earlier, why must it be taken to the mall? This is the news that is going viral. After being... finally it didn't go around. / So it's a mess. / So it's a mess. So finally people are assuming. Try to straighten it, try this.

First, actually the connection with why he was brought up, I have already said that there is a good intention from Pak Kapo. Actually, if we talk about the case, this is not a big order. Sorry, even if the standard is very low. I ask the children, how do you sleep at night?

Where there is a bed, there is a place to sleep.

Then the children there are mostly from the family who are not able to, including Rehan. So that's from the side of the PONDO. So this is the PONDO that actually if there is a backing of any kind, hopefully there is none. Then the second, there is no issue, there is an issue, there is a backing of the governor, there is a backing of the governor, there is a backing of what?

I'm sure it's not. And you're sure it's not? I'm sure it's not. Because from the side of the previous, this is a small concentration camp in Lombok. Very small. The number of the camp is not even ... 50-ish. 40 people. Hold on a minute before you ask. But have you ever been threatened? What do you mean? Threatened by the PONPES or threatened by people so that they don't prolong this case? Never. Never? Have you ever been threatened?

Yes, there is no threat, only the ban. Have you ever been threatened? Yes, I have. Have you ever been threatened? Don't report. Who?

The head of the POMPES. The head of the POMPES. The head of the POMPES. If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What is said? If you report, why is it? What

His mother said that his brother also forbade him to report. Yes, the first one was his brother, his brother Tiri, Sobirin. Sobirin. Okay. Okay. So that's it. That's clear, huh? Continue. So, if there is a backing, why am I not convinced of that? Because this is also actually, if the case of the protest, I just told you, the last 4 years there have been about 20 protests. That's just sexual violence. Oh, the one you handled? Yes. Well, but,

This is one of the smallest pawnshops that I have. In other words, from the side of the community. I mean, it's possible that there are people behind it, it's small compared to others. Then the second, when the handling is finally viral, it's then the police that came first. When the report was made,

On June, 11th, 4th, it was not from the victim's family who reported to the police, but it was the police who came on the 3rd. Because it was viral. Because it was viral. Viral in the beginning, yes. The first viral on the beginning of June. We then, indeed, the authority letter was on June 11th. Although previously we had

came first when at first not many came to Devin because everyone at that time was in Al, the one that was viral was Al, Devin hasn't yet, so people who come are usually to Al's place, not to Devin's place, even though I see that Devin is worse because if

Al at that time because it was not healed, it was still wet, when I first came to go anywhere using an ark because there was no wheelchair, then it became viral, then Al was financed by

- The central governor? - Oh, it's being financed. - For one operation. - Yes. - But it's only for one operation. - Okay. - The control? - No. - Is that the responsibility of the governor? - It should be.

The health law actually stipulates that the rehabilitation of non-pandemic medical workers is the responsibility of the government and the local government. But this doesn't happen. Until it's over? It should be. If the country is present. When the government controls twice, if I'm not mistaken, they pay Rp. 400,000, Rp. 500,000.

Okay, then we closed all of that in the insurance. Including, we have already reminded, okay, later on the initial cost that the BPJS wants to charge, do not charge it to the victim. Well, charge it to us at the LBA.

the case was still going on, it was still viral, then Mr. Kapolda entered because he saw that the wound was not healed, finally he was taken to Bayangkara Hospital

Oh, that's why Kapolda came to your place. Yes, to her place. To help. So Kapolda has a good initiative. An initiative to treat. To treat. Enter there, then

first, if it is said that this prevents, when this mother entered, I still saw someone who made content too, why is there no problem? later can be asked, meaning that the one who made a video in

there is a national anthem, yes, at first it was fine, yes, it's okay, there's no problem, everyone comes in, there's no one who's forbidden, there's no one, yes, until then, tomorrow, I want to go to Jakarta, to my place, to the podcast, then I just need to change, change in the sense of why this is how we are asked if we want to stay here or

- How? - That's the question, why? That's the unanswered question. What do you think, Mrs. Put? - We see that what the police have done is good. - Yes, it's good. - The intention is good. - The intention is good. But our question is, why do we have to go through several stages of SOP and so on? That's what Mr. Joko said earlier, right? Because for...

but the fact is that we see that there is no other way

Okay, I'm telling you why then finally come here at night after the incident I call you, what do I call you, contact, then call, call, I tell you, there is no intention for us to stop, even if it is true that we know that we want to come to Jesus, I will also give no problem, but we are also not

miscommunication as a law enforcement authority. I see it in this case, it's actually a miscommunication about this coordination. We as law enforcement do not know if we want to go to Mas Jensu. We also cannot accompany content creators. If they don't exist, it's not uploaded. Yes, I agree. They are also rebellious. Since the beginning, they have been taking this to the doctor, using internet.

there is also a brother who always helps, there is also one more, I don't know, I just know that it's only Adi, I really help, yes, okay, I don't know if these police friends feel

there is news that maybe it's not good, as if they are not quick to respond to this event. Maybe they are wrong again. Maybe they are lying and so on. That's what the assumption is in the middle of society. So maybe they

not giving permission, because of that. / Avoid. / Maybe avoiding bad assumptions outside. Even though actually if we cut a little, this report turns out to be in June. / June. Not from December. / Yes. / It means there is no release time. / No. / Only the investigation should be from the beginning, it didn't happen. / From the beginning. / Okay, wait a minute. / Right. / In June to July, the capolet immediately went down.

Because it's already viral, Kapolda went down, he immediately took her to the hospital. On his direction, it means that there is a good intention, all of them. Well, after that, they want to get to Jakarta. In my opinion, the one who became the miscomm is only at the airport, why did they stop? So if I see it, it's because this is not communicated earlier. We are also as

what is the power of law also doesn't know, so finally this communication is broken when all the bones are all assumed, so the police then assumed this, maybe from what content content friends, the creator of the assumption is like this, Mas Denzi also

Maybe it's just a coincidence, it's not different. I didn't mean it, I was more confused. Not that it was okay, but why didn't it happen? That's what I'm confused about. Because the tickets weren't bought, right? Yes, because if I personally bought all the tickets at that time, in my opinion, if I really want to, I better give the money to them.

rather than a little money and accommodation, I understand what she means I asked this lady, do you know that you have already bought a ticket? she knew it when she was at the airport, at the hospital, she said she was told by Adi when he was in Bayangkara, but unfortunately I was confused as she said earlier, Adi said he had been allowed, then in the morning, Mrs. and Mr. Folda gave a consideration

suddenly stopped at the station so the explanation to this lady was also not complete so then this lady was confused too, how do you want to go here, how do you want to go there, and until today

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I think after Mrs. Polda gave a consideration, it was not allowed, Adi was told. So communication between who is entitled and not entitled to give permission and all kinds of things. Actually, in my opinion, it is not appropriate if Mr. and Mrs. Kapolda give a consideration, rather think about the health of Devin or go to Jakarta. What is the context? That's my question.

People who don't understand, Bang. People who don't understand which steps they have to take. Right? It should be explained first. What is the point of going to Dentsu? That first.

Have you got justice? For example, the police have taken a stand against this case. My question is, which one contacted you first? Was it the Poldal first or the Adi first who communicated with Mr. Densu first?

Adi first. That's what I think. Adi first communicated with us. This is what became the object. I open it a little. Adi communicated with us before Kapoldi came to meet them. So when Adi communicated with us, we were considering a step for them to go to Jakarta. After that, a few days later, Kapoldi came.

Yes.

This is the information that I want to give. Because we are preparing for the operation. That's what has been said, that this is preparation for the operation of Devin. He took it all in. I saw it like this, everyone has good intentions, but then communication.

But this is not the same. Just assume everything is true. The only problem is that he made us know the news from Adi, the content creator. And then he started it from no one, like the police and all kinds of things, and I didn't even exist. That's why LPA hasn't been there yet. Oh no, no. LPA, me and Adi, it's our first time, right? Yes.

Yes, Adi and Bapak, who first? Oh, it's Adi. I'm not defending my content friends, I mean, we're just going to make it straight first so that my content friends don't assume anything bad of other parties. I just come here to make it straight.

If you know that it was Adi who first provided assistance, of course you should also think, "Oh, this is you, Adi, who played a role earlier, helped us, even brought Devin with what was his name? Grobak, like that. Yes, if Devin can walk. Eh, not Devin, who? Al. Ah yes, I don't know what to use. Well, I mean,

Maybe the intention of these friends is good to raise funds, because it seems that there is no assistance from the local government, that was the first one. Then the second one, there is no form of attention from the Pondok Pusantren.

Yes, when they have a heart, it means friends, how do we do it, especially if we have LPA, LPA should be able to bring and can check, right? Yes, LPA has arrived. But he can't press the local government.

this is going up first because of content creators, right? They videoed it, made it viral, because of what? looking for help on how this child can get justice. LPA came, LPA came, LPA can't be wrong either, because that's information, information, LPA also only has limitations and can't also govern the governor, help, the operation can't either, right? I mean here, this is

maybe there is no delivery that is not suitable between friends who have helped before and on the one hand, this mother also doesn't understand where I have to go, right? But it should be for the police, then Mr.

Mr. Joko should sit and call Adidi, we have held it, thank you very much, we have been opened, that means information is given, if not we don't know, if not like this, we don't know, no viral, no justice, right? Well, that's what didn't go well, finally the information was missed, everywhere was missed, so what happened was what I said earlier, so

All have good intentions, but then they are not communicated. And what is confusing is this woman. This is what just happened. Well, it's good that today's podcast is straight, so don't be confused. Because in my opinion, if I personally, it's actually no problem when they don't arrive in Jakarta. My team asked me, "Bang, this won't happen." Oh, it's okay. If for me personally as the owner of the podcast, I will support the police steps.

to help them achieve justice. Like yesterday, there was a suspected arrest and so on. For me, it's really cool. Second, how to deal with their injuries. I don't care if they want to come to my podcast, attend my podcast, I don't care. But if it's handled, for me it's much more important. Right? That's all the point. Of course, Mrs. Putri is also like that. Mas Joko is also like that. Now, we all return it to the mother.

You are now sitting here. What do you want from all of this? What I want is for my child to get good treatment. And also get justice. Who do you think must be responsible for the justice of this perpetrator? Both.

- The head of the Pompest and Rehan. - Rehan. According to you, they have to be responsible. Rehan because he is in the location, as I said earlier, the head of the Pompest because of his negligence. So that other people can learn. If you, you are sorry, right? You have lost your soul. Sorry. Maybe this is the time to break your heart here. - Because I have a lot of prayers.

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I think it's because of the family. The teacher told me to report it to the teacher. Because they are still family, it's like they were lied to. They didn't report it, but it turns out that they didn't get the medicine. That's what made the child die. That's the point. It's all clear. What do you want now, El? I want to be healed. You want to be healed, right?

Are you having a hard time? Are you sad to see your condition now? Sad. I'm sad. I don't want to join. What do you want to say to me? Ibu is strong. What do you want to say? Strong, Ibu. Yes, strong. May Ibu and Bapak be healthy. Healthy, right? Yes. You're fighting for me.

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We pray that you can get treatment as soon as possible. By coming here, God will open all the ways for you. Later, Mas Joko and Mbak Putri will also help.

The plan is to go to the third commission, right? Yes. Help Mr. Habibu there, so that you can get justice, that's number one. Then there are those who can help for your treatment costs. Later, the light will come. Yes? Yes.

- Yes. - Any comments? - Maybe this is a message for the police. We see that the case that was applied was only a case of fraud. But yesterday we learned that there was a case that deliberately committed

or to live by burning. Well, the law should be applied, not only based on the law of eviction. Because that is a five-year threat, Bang. But if someone deliberately lit a fire, then caused injuries and caused accidents, that threat is up to nine years, Bang. And in our opinion, if only that is given the punishment, it is not enough for one to die, then the second child is permanently disabled. Then the second,

the legal certainty of the perpetrator. Why did you say the legal certainty? What is the status? Is it held or disbanded? Or what? I got a video earlier, the leadership of the pompers is sick. There is no reason, and previously from the police, there was a release that no reason was found to make me a suspect. So

This injustice must be avoided. There is a video of this. But there must be an explanation first, Bang. Even though he is sick, the status must be clear, Bang. Why? It's clear, it's set in a new QHAP, Bang. Every suspect must be explained first, the status. Even if he is sick, even if he is suspected, he is held first, then he will be dismissed.

that's the rule but the video was sick, but the shirehan was not sick, sir, the shirehan was not sick, where is the position of the shirehan now? That's what we haven't known yet, the LPA also wants to monitor, the child is still in the middle,

Yes, there is still a problem. But it was broken because of the case. The case was only 5 years. The SBPA law does not allow for any detention. But at least it can be closed. Yes, it can be closed or returned to the parents later. But there should be room for him to be able to

I don't know if Rehan has been checked psychologically or not. Because it's very important. We don't know what Rehan's soul is. What is his nature? Why can he act rudely to his friends? We never know, sir. It's very important. Especially since he's still a child underage. Because even though he's a child underage, his behavior is more than his age. Or maybe he's influenced by his parents. We don't know.

Then for one person suspected who has been arrested, the head of the PONPES, this must be clarified.

If he is sick, he must be checked by the doctor who is in the police. There is a video of him being sick. Yes, that's right. He is sick. But the status must be clear, Bang. He must not be sick and let it be. Yes, that's right. So that there is certainty. For example, he is suspected, he is held. He is held and checked first. Oh, he is sick, right. It means he must be checked by the doctor first. Yes, that's right. The SOP is like that. So if he is sick, how many days is he in the hospital? 7 days?

2 weeks, 1 month, 1 year. That's what should be done. But if he's sick, he's bleeding again, but there's no certainty of justice. That's what we ask the researcher, what is the position of the suspect at this time? What is the status?

Don't just say that because you're sick, everyone can say that too. We don't know. Do doctors and policemen check your illness? That's the most important thing. - Tomorrow they will explain it in the committee. - Tomorrow I will explain it. - Tomorrow they will explain it in the committee. - You can. But this is one of the dilemmas of the people, sorry, I think the porn fest is a good place.

where the pompers are places to find knowledge, places to find discipline, and other good things to be a burden for the future. But with many pompers in Indonesia, the control room becomes small, so that many things arise that

- They are criminals, rapists, etc. - Yes. - Sir, tell us. - Where? - Where are the rapists? - In NTB, from 2023 to 2026, we handled only 20 sexual violence cases. - The big teachers that you mentioned earlier? - From those 20, 12 of them are now the teachers that we have processed. - Well, that's... - Right now, there are 4 teachers who are in the process.

in the police and even in the court. And what did the teacher do? Yes, a lot. If this is all kinds of things. The one before that.

Oh, there are also teachers who are memorizing the Torah, memorizing the Psalms while memorizing the Torah. Yes, he tells the story of his santiwati while memorizing the Torah, while memorizing the Torah, using verses. Yes, memorizing the Torah while memorizing the Torah, but then while holding it.

I think this will be a lesson for us in the case of Al and David. The first is that we talked about the Pondok Pesantren. There needs to be a momentum to transform the Pondok Pesantren.

How is the supervision of the institution that I think is important. I heard the case, actually, there is no form of attention from the local government. That's all. Because there is no pressure from the central government. Actually,

Ask the head of the district again, what do you want to do as the head of the district? The question is, the honor in the ministry of education is in the ministry of religion. Whatever is released, whatever is released, the education place must have control. What is the use of us, why can't we ordinary people

Honestly, I received reports from all over Indonesia. He helped many people here. - I mean, you were also... - This is what I wanted to say. This is our momentum to then... how Kemenah pays attention to the concentration camp. How is the institution? Now I want to ask, how many bathrooms with the ratio of... bathrooms with the concentration camp, there is no regulation.

The number of ascetics and the number of saints, there is no standard rule. So this is our momentum to improve the trend of the pundits. Yes, reverse the trend of the pundits in their function.

and return the good message of the trend. Because personally, I was very worried when I got a lot of reports of trend messages with a lot of slander, criminality, beating, violence that happened in there. So, return it to its function, and it needs supervision, and maybe this is the turning point of this podcast. So that who knows, Kemenat, the central government, the regional government can

: Socialization, right? : That's the first lesson I've learned. Because there are already many podcasts about conference. And there is still no whistleblower. : That's right. : That's all. : The second thing I think is also important is

We do not expect in the future, there are devins, there are other al-al, victims of criminal acts, who then do not get medical rehabilitation insurance when they become victims. This is what we need to think about in the future. This can be done, but there are still many devins and other al-al who may become victims and they cannot get access to services.

This is what makes us PR, what I think is the learning from these two cases that we should pay attention to. There should be a program from the local government to socialize to school, not just PONPES, right? Not just PONPES because there are so many people who do not understand law

There are many cases like this, starting from KDRT against children, the miscarriage of parents, parents, parents, child abuse. In fact, the local government must also pay attention to how life is in the middle of society. That's the most important thing. Yes, so that it can reduce the body marriage.

I'm ready to go down. I'm ready to go down.

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