Harrisburg City Council - Work Session 10/07/2025

if shoes. But the time is 5:34 p.m. I

would like to call our work session to

order.

>> Mr. Trudale, could you please call the

role?

>> Miss Daniels,

>> here.

Miss Davis

>> present.

>> Miss Green

>> present.

>> Mr. Jones

>> here.

>> Miss Rolls

>> present.

>> Mr. Rodriguez

>> present.

>> Miss who?

>> Present. Thank you. Um

we have three committees that you will

hear from this evening. We will begin

with the administration committee. We

have two resolutions for discussion.

Resolution 55 of 2025 and resolution 56

of 2025.

Mr. Trudale, could you please read

Resolution 55 of 2025 into the record?

>> Resolution 55 2025. Resolution

appointing Mr. Muhammad M. Bilah to

serve on the coordinating committee and

as an alternate member of the technical

committee of the Harrisburg area

transportation study.

>> Thank you. Um Mr.

are you present?

>> Okay, if you wouldn't mind.

>> Thank you.

>> I would just ask that if you could

please um move the microphone very close

to you so that everybody can hear you.

Thanks for joining us. If you wouldn't

mind introducing yourself.

>> Uh thank you. Good evening everybody.

Mohammad Baha. I'm a new employee with

the city. This is my fourth month and

I'm coming from the Fed. I was with the

US EPA for 21 years and with four

different three different state for six

more years. Technically I'm still a fed

because I'm still on the federal peril

because I took the fork in the road. Uh

they call it voluntary deferred

resignation.

Uh till December 31st I'm still on the

EPA payroll but they're allowing me to

work for the city with approval from the

office of the general council. I took

that opportunity and I really appreciate

city of Heritage giving me the

opportunity to work for the city.

Appreciate. Thank you. My background,

I'm a I'm an I'm a I'm an engineer,

environmental engineer with strong

management background. I have beside my

two engineering degree, I also have an

MBA. I I'm also like the federal PPM

level three that is the program and

project management highest level in the

federal government. So I have tons of

experience in the project and program

management. I used to manage the largest

wastewater program for the US EPA that

is called combined sewer overflow and

Harrisburg is a CSO communities. Just

give you an example this small city like

Harrisburg your long-term contra is

$1.43 billion. So nationwide combined

overflow program infrastructure value

was $200 billion and I managed that

program for 21 years for EPA. So not

only EPA outside the world also people

I'm known as the expert in the waste

weather control like I I help city of

Barcelona city of London Chinese program

European Union commission of the

environment I advise almost all over the

world so I'm known in that field not

within the the USA all over the world I

advise almost everybody like I like to

do voluntary work also I'm a member of

the FEMA search capacity force I'm also

a member of the EPA response support

corp I have been almost everywhere in

the emergency situation starting from

the 911. I was one of the first civilian

responder walking to the ground zero

after the 911 incident and I did the air

quality monitoring in and in and around

ground zero for over a year and a half.

I was almost everywhere COVID 19

hurricane Maria Rita Katrina all over

the world I was traveling. So I'm making

it short. My background I'm an engineer

with a very strong management

background.

>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much. Um,

so this appointment this evening is to

serve on the coordinating committee and

as an alternate member of the technical

committee of the Harrisburg Area

Transportation Study or HATS. Um, just

for your reference, the Harrisburg Area

Transportation Study or HATS was created

in response to the Federal Aid Highway

Act of 1962,

which mandated regional transportation

planning as a condition for receiving

federal funds for transportation

projects. The Harrisburg area

transportation study agreement was made

and entered into on February 11th, 1965

by and among the Department of Highways

of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, the

county of Cumberland, the county of

Dolphin, and the city of Harrisburg. The

Supreme Court of Pennsylvania has ruled

that there were

um

a statute that where a statute gives

appointment power to the governing body,

such appointment shall be made by the

mayor with the advice and consent of

council.

Okay. So, we do have your

resume before us as an exhibit to this

resolution, but you've shared your

extens extensive um career and

background

um in both environmental engineering,

civil engineering, and project

management. So, thank you. So, you serve

as a project manager for the city of

Harrisburg. Yes, I'm I'm the project

manager for the traffic and engineering

the bureau. Uh I'm actually take

supervising all the traffic and

engineering program and I'm working

under Joel and Joel is my supervisor.

Actually, I'm taking care of the traffic

and engineering project for the city of

Harrisburg. Yes.

>> Great. Thank you. Um I just have one

question before I open the floor to my

colleagues who may have additional

questions, but what impact do you

believe that you will be able to make um

serving at on the coordinating committee

and as an alternate member of the

technical committee of hats?

>> Wonderful question for sure. I was

always on the other side of the desk

that I was giving money to the people.

This will be the first time I'll be

representing city to take the money. So

I understand how the money work giving

and taking. I managed just before

leaving EPA I was involved in $2 billion

infrastructure grant money for the

state. I was I was I'm also a a project

officer for the EPA grants. I'm one of

the senior project officer. So I

understand very strongly how the federal

grant program works. I also work with

the three state. I also understand that

how state grant program works. I work

for the state of New York. I work for

the state of Maryland. I work for the

state of California. So I understand how

the grant program or the loan program

that the state works. And I have very

strong understanding of the federal

grant programs because I was one of the

senior grant officer for the US EPA. I

handled millions and billions dollar

grant for the EPA for even just before

moving out. I was a project officer for

the two big grants for two communities

in Maryland. So I understand the

process. So I understand how the whole

things work. Only difference is I was on

the other side of the desk. This time

I'll be this side of the desk asking for

the money taking the big chunk whatever

possible for to help the city to better

fund it for our infrastructure project

for the capital improvement project.

What is our priority like example giving

you you must have as honorable member

city council you must have some priority

that you're looking for me that will be

I'll be going down there and grabbing

the money from them to help your your

goal and your objective and ultimately

helping the city. So like like I

understand how things work. I'm an

engineer like I always as an engineer I

understand 2 plus 2 equals to four. At

the same times as a program manager

project manager with my MBA background I

understand 2 + 2 sometimes three or

sometimes five. You need to make the

justification.

Playing grant is that kind of things.

How can you make the justification where

the city need the money? YC city is the

right right place to invest the money,

get the grant, get the loan, whatever

needed. And I'm pretty sure I'm a very

strong candidate for this position. I

also understand I very capable candidate

for this position.

>> Thank you very much. Um, I will now open

the floor to my colleagues who may have

some additional questions for you. Um,

I'd like to begin with our public works

committee chair, Councilman Rodriguez.

Any questions?

>> Thank you, Madam President. Uh, thank

you, uh, Mr. Balau for joining us. Mr.

Ciders as always. Um, I actually see Mr.

Joel and Jeffrey Knight are currently

um, sitting members. Is that correct?

>> So, I'm a sitting member of both the

technical and committee and then Mr.

Knight is a sitting member of the

committee.

>> Technical committee.

>> Technical.

>> Yep. Yep. You're both listed under the

technical committee. So, um, but thank

you, uh, for your willingness to serve

in your capacity. What, uh, of course

with your extensive background, it's

pro, it's pretty much obvious what you

can bring and the benefits of having

you, but what's some things you're

looking forward to accomplishing while

you're sitting on the committee.

>> Uh,

I'm working very closely with Joel to

better understand the city. Like example

I can give you like one of the situation

that city have is the American with the

disability act what needed to be done

like if I look at the numbers

>> right now city has close to 10,000 ADA

amps 10,000

if I want to modify everything to make

it ADA compliance we need close to $2

billion does the city with 150 million

annual budget has that capability

>> for sure no so my my understanding how

can I play a role that city can be in

compliance with the DOJ ADA requirements

how can I like example right now like

Joel never asks me nobody asked me I'm

taking initiative of 2010 ADA

requirements for the city I'm taking a

look I just gave him a three-pager

yesterday ADA that what the what we're

missing here

>> so what I'm trying to Being here for the

city is my expertise as an as an

engineer plus as an MBA with extensive

program and project management

background. How can city move forward?

>> Absolutely.

>> Not backward because understand the 2010

ADA requirements by the city deadline is

next year April 26, 2026.

We need to come up with something that

city can say yes DOJ we are doing

something. My goal is making sure city

is doing everything that needed to be

done to serve the population of the city

more effectively, efficiently. Joel

knows like every time someone call me

>> I do not just answer the call. Joel

knows me. I go there. I talk to the

person. What is your problem? How can I

help you? It's my responsibility to go

there. That is my goal. how we all can

serve the city population more

efficiently, more effectively, more

appropriately

and my goal in that role will be how can

we build a better infrastructure that we

can serve it better.

>> Absolutely. So for for sure it's a long

way to go but it doesn't mean that we

need to stop we need to start walking

one single step moving forward that is

what I'm trying to bring for the city

that how can we better serve as a whole

for the population of the city serving

the city

>> I appreciate that too showing how

proactive you can be not waiting around

to be asked um plus we know ADA

compliance is

>> like example I can give you like I we

have a ADA situation right now Okay.

>> Because I I my like I had major surgery

in my ear because of a vehicular

incident.

>> So I use hearing aid but my hearing for

certain some reason doesn't work in this

room. I do not know why.

>> Wow.

>> So is there any alternative we have? For

sure we have alternative to resolve the

situation. That's what I'm thinking

right now. How can we make the city

better?

>> Yeah.

>> For the future.

I appreciate you being so transparent.

Thank you for that. Uh, no further

questions.

>> Thank you, Councilman Jones. Any

questions?

>> Uh, thank you, President Hill. Um, thank

you, Mr. um allowed to your willingness

to serve um you have a very extensive um

resume and I'm just wondering after

dealing dealing with billions of

dollars. What's the interest here? is

just because you live here. I heard a

little bit of the passion, but you know,

I'm asking you specifically, what was

the interest in wanting to fulfill um

these these works and in this position?

>> I'm sorry.

>> All right.

Oh, why I picked up? Okay, telling you

frankly my situation right now I'm still

a federal employee. Actually, I'm

getting two paycheck. One from the fed,

one from the city.

I was not thinking to do anything

because if I work 20 years with the

federal government, I can leave with my

full federal retirement benefit and I

have 21 years. I'm getting my full

federal rate benefit telling her frankly

if I do not do anything I'll be making

more money than what I'm making right

now with the city. I'll be making more.

But only reason I'm doing it like

my wife Eva called me workaholic.

And she also called me OCD

because of the workaholic situation. I

wake up 4 in the morning. So because I

cannot leave not doing anything. So I

thought that I need to do something. Do

anything. My wife said do okay. If you

want to do something, do anything. Go

get pump gas, go to the grocery store,

do anything. Then suddenly

I don't know why I opened up the

Harrisburg web page and I saw they're

hiring a project manager. I thought it

sound interesting but the salary is

difference is pretty big with the fed

and my salary the city is pretty big

it's less than half telling you frankly

it's less than half but I applied why is

my friend

your human resource deputy

>> she left okay he called me Muhammad we

we are we we want to interview you and I

came here I talked to Joel and Dave

and they almost hired me on this spot.

Then I got stuck. What should I do? I

said, "Yep, I love city of Harrisburg.

Joel is a wonderful person. Dave is a

wonderful person. The reason I love

because I EP I was going to work suited

and booted, which I never like. I like

this and this shirt." Okay. And Joel was

wearing the city engineer shirt. Dave

was wearing the, you know, the director

shirt. And I said, "Oh man, this is the

place I want to work. This is the place

I'm more comfortable. Dur I left EPA

FedEx. I was tired tired of twisting the

fact tired of making the story. I was I

was planning to leave anyway if there is

a this situation like forcing people out

or not. So I thought okay I was planning

to leave. I'm not losing anything.

Getting my 100% benefit getting one

years of salary free doing nothing.

Absolutely. If the city Joel offer me a

job day, it's a wonderful opportunity.

I'll take it because I like to work. I

love to work. It is better than pumping

gas. And I took that way. I said, "Okay,

I'll take it." And on the top of that

one, the environment I was still

confused first couple of month. But more

I'm learning, more I'm falling in love

with the city. I realize I told you that

my federal salary is more than two times

what city is paying me right now. Money

cannot make you happy all the time.

Coming to work smiling going back going

back home smiling is a situation that

you you want as a professional. After

working 27 30 years I have nothing to

achieve. I did almost everything in my

life I could do. Like I have a wonderful

story you can see in the FEMA homeless

search capacity force. When I first came

to this country on the very first day I

was homeless. My uncle didn't show up at

the airport. I came here when I was 14

years old. He didn't show up at the I

was homeless. From there I came all the

way here. All the way here. So I

realized that happiness is different

things. How to be happy and that's why

actually I accepted the job. First of

all, first my impression of Joel and

Dave,

city engineers, director public

department and I love I work this for

project manager. That is the answer to

you.

>> Thank you. Uh was very detailed. Um

again I just you know just for my own

edification just wondering um you know

how'd you land here? I always ask people

how did they find Harrisburg and on the

map, but uh I would just say that man

your your your background um speaks

volumes that um this is your wheelhouse.

You know, this is definitely your

wheelhouse and and again the the passion

is jumping off the page and I really

don't have any other questions. I again

tell you uh thank you for your

willingness to serve.

>> Thank you.

>> Thank you Councilwoman Ross. Any

questions?

>> Well, good evening Mr.

Mr. Cider, thank you both for being

here. Um, your answers were very

detailed that every question I've had,

you answered it for me. Um, you seem

very proactive. I feel like you already

know what you want to do for Harrisburg

and that's what we need because we do

need to move forward. um we're stuck in

the past a little bit and we need those

minds here that see the whole city and

are ready to implement a plan and you're

ready for that and and Joel is great and

I can already see that you all got

things cooking up there. So I will not

get in the way and um just thank you for

coming here tonight and just loving the

city honestly. Thank you.

>> Thank you. Just to let you know just I'm

I'm not answering your question that I'm

giving you some information. I'm a very

people person like one of my

responsibility was actually training EPA

region and the state and the permites

and some of my workshop was five days

long week long and I was the only

speaker

>> just you can imagine that I like to talk

>> yes you do

>> but it's good you give so many detailed

answers that it doesn't leave people

wondering but it leaves people thinking

I can't wait to see what he's going to

do so and that's what I love. So,

>> thank you.

>> You're welcome. No, thank you. That's it

for me.

>> Thank you, Vice President Green. Any

questions?

>> Thank you for being here, Mr. Balau. Uh,

I don't really have any questions for

you. I believe you've given pretty

extensive answers so far. Um, you seem

like you're really passionate about what

you do. Uh, and I can always appreciate

that. Um, if you love the city of

Harrisburg now, you'll just love it as

you continue on. um not just for the

city and everything that it has to

offer, but also um in every position

with the city, you'll have a variety of

tasks to deal with um and and issues

that you'll be a part of solving. So, I

think your personality will fit right in

and you'll be a great asset to us. So,

thank you very much for being here.

>> Thank you for being Miss Green.

Appreciate

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Davis. Any

questions?

>> Thank you, President Hill. Good evening,

Mr. Ciders, Mr. Balo. Thank you for

being here and your resume is

exceptional.

Um, and I like to talk too, but I think

you got me beat.

>> Yep. Yep. Then we could talk a sideburn.

>> Can you um tell us about a challenge in

your career or

uh a job that was very challenging? um

in how you solve the problems.

>> Wonderful question. I love challenges

because first the eology man can realize

is problem is the solution of everything

in disguise. So I always look for

problem. I'm a problem maker. Give me a

problem, I'll find out the solution. I

have and fortunately

EPA used me as a problem solver a lot.

a lot when there was a situation people

was lost. I was there. Example I can

give you Puerto Rico used to issue

Puerto Rico was a combined SE overflow

communities like Harrisburg long time

ago. Back in 1980s Puerto Rico took some

federal funding to separate their

combined sewer system into the separate

sewer system. So Puerto Rico EPA field

office suddenly realized the system was

not properly separated because whenever

it was raining San Juan downtown Puerto

Rico was having basement backup.

So they try to the field office engineer

actually he was trying to pursue to the

region two that okay Puerto Rico may not

be totally separated community region

two ignore him because the challenge was

actually Puerto Rico took federal money

EPA money to separate and EPA certified

that one region couldn't agree because

of the legal situation Puerto Rico field

office reach out to me that Muhammad we

need your help the way the infra

structure work the city goes to the

state state goes to the region region

goes to the headquarter to me with the

issue when he reached out to me said

okay I'm coming down to Puerto Rico to

take a look what's going on I went down

there have a tour and realized the

system was not effectively separated my

challenge was actually convincing PRAA

Puerto Rico field office and EPA region

the system was not effectively separated

because of the political situation the

it was playing the role of the g taking

money for the federal government. So

what I did I did nothing. I didn't push

it. I said okay I'll be going down to

Puerto Rico couple of times for the week

long and training everybody what is CSO

combined server overflow how it works

what is the control requirement and

everything. So I did that I did that

multiple time going down to Puerto Rico

training people advising people what

needed to be done. At the very end they

realized that actually Puerto Rico

system was the properly separated. Their

infrastructure was totally broken old

system like Harrisburg had the same

kinds of situation. Harrisburg

infrastructure is almost like 150 years

old especially the S system. Puerto Rico

has the same situation and it was a big

success. That means ultimately almost

year and a half region 2 realized the

Puerto Rico EPA region 2 realized Puerto

Rico is still a combined SE system and

PRASA was on board and and I was lucky

enough that actually I was I was able to

get another grant for the Puerto Rico

$1.8 billion to make sure they can

effectively now separate the system that

will not cause the basement backup in

the Sanan Puerto Rico downtown Sanan

Puerto Rico.

many many time like another example I

can give you it is little bit out of the

things of my challenge like I do I do I

told you that I also do the emergency

response the first day I walk into the

ground zero after the 911 horrific

incident I knew nothing absolutely

nothing what needed to be done because

that kind of incident we environmental

engineer never faced what needed to be

done I walked in with one asbesttor

sampler tiny little 1 PM10 sampler

and knowing nothing. Ultimately I

accepted the challenge and I realize

that this tool do everything. We set up

28 different environmental indicator

sampler inside the ground zero just

outside the ground zero just out to the

city to compare the basement baseline

condition of the ground zero with other

outside. So I took challenges like this

almost throughout my career. My life was

a challenge. I told you that I started

as a homeless here in this country and I

realized I need to accept the challenge

and I did it. I can give you I can talk

to a sidebar

long time if you want what kind of

challenges I took.

>> Thank you Mr.

>> I know the time is short.

>> Thank you for the examples though. I

appreciate it. Thank you president.

>> Thank you Councilwoman Daniels. Do you

have any questions?

>> Yeah, thank you.

>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you for your

presence here this evening. I move to

add resolution 55 of 2025 to our next

legislative session agenda for a formal

vote. Thank you.

>> Thank you. Thank you everybody.

Next we have resolution 56 of 2025. Mr.

Trudale, could you please read it into

the record?

>> Resolution 56, 2025, a resolution

appointing Sharon Horn to serve as a

member of the board of the Harrisburg

Housing Authority.

>> Thank you, Miss Horn, if you wouldn't

mind joining us.

Good evening. I'll ask or remind you of

the same thing if you could please move

the microphone very close to you so that

those listening and watching are able to

hear. if you wouldn't mind taking a few

minutes to please introduce yourself.

>> Okay. My name is Sharon Horn.

Um I've been living in Harrisburg all my

life. Um I have worked for Department of

Environmental Protection for 36 years.

I'm retired. Um doing administrative

work. I did a lot of other work too. So

I just don't want to I'm going to be

mindful of the time. I just don't want

to take a whole lot of time. But I did a

whole lot of work far as um payroll, you

know, customer service and stuff like

that. And also I went to school for

criminal justice. But um that's about

it. I I mean just like helping people um

u just like I said I help 14 people get

healthc care services. Um and that's the

type of work I like to do. Just help

people when they in a need or they're

trying to get information to get them to

the right place. Um writing letters for

them you know just walking with them and

sitting with them make sure they get

through whatever their situation they

need to get through.

Okay. So, just as a reminder, this

appointment is to serve as a member of

the board of the Harrisburg Housing

Authority.

>> Um, the city of Harrisburg formed the

Harrisburg Housing Authority in 1938 in

accordance with the Housing Authorities

Law. The Housing Authorities Law, as

amended, provides for a five member

board made up of residents of the city

who shall serve staggered five-year

terms. Under the statutory framework

provided through the Harrisburg or

excuse me through the housing

authorities law, the current staggered

terms of board seat should expire in

2025, 2026,

2027,

2028, and 2029.

What makes you interested in this

appointment, Miss Horn?

>> Because I used to work for housing

authority back in 19 1979.

So, um, back then I'm seeing ins and

outs is it's a little bit different

today than it was back then. Um, a lot

of times the managers would go out and

communicate with the comm their

residents. Um, walk the premises and,

you know, just to, you know, get

acquainted with the re the residents.

Um, I just feel the reason why I really

would um like to be on a committee

because it needs some transparency. It

needs some things needs to be changed.

Um

to make sure you know those who are

waiting on a list, they have a list and

people been on that list for four or

five and six years. Then you have and

and trying to get into a larger units,

right? And they can't get in larger

units because they're seeing if somebody

else takes presidents over what what

they've been on the list all the years,

get presidents over them. We don't know

the emergencies. So, I think they need

to be transparent with that. Um people

um residents have children that's of age

that should not be in the same rooms

with their siblings. Um they need that

needs to be changed. Um something needs

to be done about that. Why should

somebody be on six years and somebody

else come in and just get presence over

them? I understand they have rules and

regulations of what they need to do, but

still yet

what what what presence they take was

over them that for them to be able to

get be their unit the larger unit and

they still in the smaller unit. So it

just need to be a lot of transparency

there to make sure you know those a on

list are being treated fairly. Um also

um the resident services would I want to

know are the residents are being

provided with supportive services to

improve self-sufficiency,

employment, education outcomes for

residents? Um are they providing them

the services that they say they are they

have listed? I would like to see um

Harrisburg Housing Authority create a

community resident newsletter to send

out to the tenants, you know, regarding

th those services they say that they

have and how can they receive these

services providing the service um the

resident with updates, you know,

whatever kind of programs they have for

the residents. Um I think that will be

good to educate our residents. Some of

them, you know, have a program of

teaching them how to budget if you're

trying to move them forward out to to um

to get out of, you know, because really

you should use them them the homes, the

projects I call them, you know, the the

housing that if you're trying to move

them out, then educate them so they can

be able to move out. Um I the Harrisburg

Housing Authority has a thing as far as

um the employment. Oh, I'm going use me

for example. One time I said, "Well, I

wanted to go back." Cuz I was retired,

so I wanted to go back. And I said, "Let

me see." Cuz they had a a position open.

I said, "Well, let me go see if I can

get in." I could not get in. I can even

put an application in. And no

disrespect, but they said because I was

a bilingual. So, you know, you have they

go, they have a lot of bilingual in the

offices. Is nothing wrong. Everybody

needs a job. Don't get me wrong.

Everybody needs a job. But I'm saying it

should be fair practices because

sometimes you have people that commu

community that may not commu can

communicate with those that speak about

they want to communicate with someone

else. So I think it should be a fact a

factor in there that they should be able

to get a job. I mean back then they had

translators you know people that was in

there that would be able to translate

and then you had your English too. So

you know that's another factor. it's

hard for them to get jobs in housing

authority. So, cuz I seen when I went

there and how it was I have helped um

uh a young lady who was facing eviction

um did everything try to help her been

in the went to the meetings with her

went back to back with her to make sure

you know things was being done in the

perspective and decency order but she

and she did not get evicted because she

did everything she needed to do. I

helped her do everything that she needed

to do. She was able to get section 8.

She got section 8, which was good. I was

really glad for that. But, you know, um,

they waited two year. I helped her clean

up her place. They waited two years to

give this girl a maintenance bill.

How's that? How you wait two years to

give somebody a maintenance bill? So, it

just think things need to be changed. I

think things need, you know, a lot of

changes need to be done in Harrisburg

housing authority. I think um with the

management how I have instances when

people have moved out of of out of a

residence and the same people moved back

in the same residence. I seen that my

mother-in-law was living out there. Um

it was one next door to her and it was

one across the street for her that did

that. So I'm like how can you move out

and come right back in the same place

when people are on the list waiting to

get in? So I just think it needs to be

some transparency. need things need to

be some changes done and I think you

know and I and I go back to back I will

you know fight hard for the residents

the residents need to know that it's

somebody there that's going to help them

that's going to back help back them

because I'm not saying all residents are

you know where they need to be but there

some are that you know that needs help.

So you know that's what I would like to

do to try to get in there and try to

make some changes.

>> Thank you. I just wanted to uh note just

a few things. Um, the Harrisburg Housing

Authority operates independently from

the city, but its work is essential to

community stability, economic

opportunity, and neighborhood

revitalization.

>> The general functions of the authority

include public housing management owns,

manages, and maintains public housing

developments within the city. Housing

Choice Voucher Program administers

section 8 vouchers to assist income

eligible families in securing affordable

rental housing. Redevelopment and

modernization undertakes projects to

rehabilitate, modernize or replace aging

housing stock. Resident services provide

supportive services to improve

self-sufficiency, employment, and

educational outcomes for residents.

Partnerships works with federal, state,

and local agencies as well as private

developers to expand affordable housing

opportunities, financial powers

authorized by state law to issue bonds,

apply for federal housing funds, and

collect rents or service charges, and

governance directed by a board of

commissioners appointed under provisions

of the housing authorities law. So, I

just wanted to note that.

I do have a question for the law bureau.

Um I believe Miss Horn would be

replacing an individual there one term

has expired

finishing a term.

>> I believe that when this originally came

>> okay wait

>> my bad.

>> Can you hear me now?

>> Yes.

>> There we go.

>> Thank you. So, I believe when I

originally sent it down, the terms were

in there, but I did not. It's set in

committee, so I don't remember off top

of my head. If not, I can get it.

>> I have it. Hold on.

>> I thought so.

>> Okay. So,

yes, this was in June that you sent

this, but I got you. Okay. So, um,

Miss Gloria Martin Roberts was appointed

through resolution 28 of 2024 and her

term expires June 30th, 2029.

Miss Sheila Bennett was appointed

through resolution 46 of 2022 and her

term expires June 30th, 2027.

Mr. Ja Zachary Jackson was appointed

through resolution 29 of 2024 and his

term expires June 30th, 2026.

Um, two openings will end in 2025 and

2028. Whoever is appointed to 2025

should also be appointed to the term

ending in 2030 as their term for 2025

would only last 5 days. Okay.

Okay. So, um this is a fiveyear

appointment.

>> Okay.

>> So, just so you know that. Okay. I don't

have any other questions. I'm going to

open it up to my colleagues who may have

additional questions for you. I'll begin

with our building and housing committee

chair, Councilwoman Davis. Do you have

any questions for Miss Horn?

>> Thank you, President Hill. And good

evening, Miss Horn. How are you?

>> I'm fine. Thank you. Thank you for your

willingness to serve. Um

and thank you for um noting all of the

things that you would like to do, things

that you observed and that you realize

that there needs to be some support and

some additional help there. One of the

things that I was concerned about as the

building and housing chair

>> is the safety of the residents. Um, I

guess I could take the time right now to

thank uh Chief Eterling Line and the

deputy uh fire chief. Also, the fire the

evacuation system for the residents at

the various facilities um under the

Harrisburg Housing Authority. I like to

um this you can note make sure that

every building is safe and that everyone

knows how to evacuate

>> right

>> in case of an a fire um or something.

So, I know that our fire department has

been working on ensuring that uh the

evacuation system is up to date, but I

just thought I would mention that to

you. So, you can kind of oversee if you

get selected for this.

>> Okay.

>> To make sure that Yeah. Because we had a

couple of residents come down here

>> to talk about their concern.

um and their concern for being safe in

the facility.

>> Okay.

>> So, once we went through, you know,

checking with the logs and everything,

the fire department actually realized

that the um evacuation system was not up

to par and helped to make the correction

at that particular facility. So,

we can never be too safe,

>> right? We want to make sure that our

residents know how to get out in case of

a fire. So,

>> right.

>> That's uh

>> my own those are my only statements.

>> Do they do they give them any kind of

like

>> I have no idea. I don't know. I just

>> kind of

>> Yeah, because you know

>> followed up based on uh a resident who

came two residents that came down here.

>> Okay. So, um I did report back to our

director, Director Gloria Martin

Roberts, um and the housing authority, I

guess, um the new president or director

of the housing authority. I can't

remember his name right now, but

>> I did, you know, follow up with them as

well. So, um that was just one of the

things that came to mind, the safety of

the residents,

>> the Harrisburg house Housing Authority

in the facility. So, thank you for being

here again and thank you.

>> Welcome.

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Daniels. Do you

have any questions?

>> Just for the conflicts of interest.

>> Conflicts of interest. You broke up a

little bit, but I think that's what you

were asking.

>> Yes.

>> Do you have any conflicts of interest?

>> No. No, I'm trying to, you know, I have

no confident interest at all.

>> That wasn't perfect. Thank you.

>> Thank you, Vice President Green. Any

questions?

>> Thank you, President Hill. Uh, first,

thank you for being here tonight. Um,

and thank you for your willingness to

step up, uh, you know, even outside of

the election to to still follow through

and say, I want to to be a part of the

change and and help the city in any

capacity possible. So, thank you for

that.

Um my only question is how did you hear

about the position and what made you

want it?

>> Because um I I wanted to be on a

committee, you know, something do

something in house, you know, try to

help somebody. I mean, you know, cuz I

did run for city council, but you know,

just to to help some, you know, just to

help. Yeah.

>> And how did you find out about it?

>> I found out um who somebody was telling

me about that. Was it was

I don't want to put I don't like putting

people's names out there like that, but

you know what I mean. I found out. Okay.

So, um don't want to put people's names

out there. I'm not that type of person.

Okay. I'm respectful to people who, you

know, to just like I'll be respectful

for you to you. So, I don't do that. So

I was I was informed about committees

that was being open and and I and they

named some of the committees and that

was one of the committees I chose.

>> Okay. So they told you about several

different positions that were open

couple a couple committees was open and

I

wanted to be on one.

>> Okay. Um, I don't ask it in any

disrespectful way or ask you to call out

anybody's name. No, but more in the

sense of, you know, when people come

before us, people always ask, well, how

did so and so get on that committee? How

did that get filled? How did people even

know these were available? So, I like to

be able to say, well, someone approached

them or they just took the initiative

and got on the website or they were

listening to a city council meeting.

>> I do get on your website.

>> They listened to last week's meeting and

heard about all the empty positions. you

know, like we like to figure out how

people find out about these cuz there

are lots of positions that are open and

we're always trying to fill them. Um,

and we we also know that it's impossible

for every position to be filled by

someone going specifically to someone

and saying, "Hey, I think you'll be a

fit for this committee." So, it's like

what's the best way to get people

engaged? because that's the only way we

can really move our city forward if we

have different perspectives and

different ideas and different

backgrounds because the city itself is

diverse and we can't have the same

thought processes uh picking and

choosing who's on every board. So, no I

appreciate

>> I go on your I go online I'll be

checking I'll be looking. So,

>> Okay. Yeah.

>> Well, I'm glad to hear that that you're

continuing to be engaged and that you're

always looking for ways to be involved

in the city. So, I appreciate you being

here tonight and I appreciate your

willingness to serve the city and the

residents.

>> Right. Thank you.

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Ross. Any

questions?

>> Thank you. Thank you for being here

tonight and thank you for um being

willing to serve and showing your

commitment even outside of

>> um the race and saying, you know, I

still want to help the city in some way.

So, thank you. Um one of my questions

were already um asked about how did you

hear about the position? So my other

question was just

>> um how do you think you will be a leader

that will promote change um on this

board because it is a very important

board. So

>> how do you think you will be a leader

that will promote change?

>> You know first of all you got to do

things of decency and order. You know

you have to have like mind. You have to

work together on a committee. I don't

care what committee you're on work it

work together. Everybody's not going to

be agreement but this you just agreed to

come to an agreement. I mean, you know,

just do what I know how to do and lead,

you know what I mean? So, that's where

I'm at.

>> Thank you. Thank you, Miss Horn. That's

it for me, President Hill.

>> Thank you, Councilman Rodriguez. Any

questions?

>> Thank you, Madam President. Thank you,

Miss Horn, for joining us this evening.

Great to see you again. Um, I just

thought, uh, Madame Vice President's

question was so important because a lot

of times we never know where a lot of

these individuals come from and in the

capacities they like to serve in and we

just want to make sure we're handpicking

the best of the best as you've always

been engaged. Um, sometimes we never

know what behind the scenes and behind

the veil brings. So, the question was

just very transparent also was one of my

questions as well. So, I just wanted to

kind of um, beat on that. But also, if

you could uh create anything innovative

for HHA, what would that thing be or

what would you advocate for as a new

board member?

>> I would advocate for try to get, you

know, like that um the residents in that

community to come together and try to

put something together. what what they

want fixed or what what is needed what

you know what what is what is express

their concerns about what's going on

where they live at you know what I mean

and try to get that information and to

see what you we can decipher out of it

and see what we can do about helping

them with their their um their

situations. That's what I would like to

hear more or less from the community

just to see where they're at and see

what's going on. I know cuz some of

them's I I have heard some of them is

not too happy about certain things that

goes on. So, you know, I mean, things

need to be addressed. It always have

been needed to be addressed. They're not

being addressed. Um I just wonder if all

these programs or policies they're

doing, are they really informing the

residents of what, you know, what's

going on? You know, like I have read,

you know, um the services, the support

services they have. Are they really

letting them community know that these

services are available?

>> And that's why you mentioned the

newsletter previously.

>> They should have a kind of you don't

have to do it every month. You could do

it every quarter. You know what I'm

saying? Just get something out there to

the to the residents to let them know,

you know, you know, you're involved with

them. You want to make sure they in the

know, you know, and you know, they have

a lot of questions. I know a lot of them

has things a lot of questions. They just

don't know who to go to to get the

answer.

Thank you for that answer and your

willingness to serve. Um, no further

questions for me.

>> Thank you,

>> Councilman Jones.

>> Thank you, President Hill. How you doing

today?

>> How you doing?

>> Good. Good. Um, just like everyone else,

thank you for your willingness to serve.

Um, I have a couple questions for you.

And, um, I think one that Vice President

Green had asked again and he re

reiterated was was the honest question.

And reason being um I'm just want to

speak for me.

>> Okay.

>> Um I see a lot of these uh positions

that come open and people that come are

sent to fill them

>> um just don't meet the qualifications

for these positions. I want to say to

you that I am proud of you continuing to

fight

>> right

>> and what and your willingness to serve.

But I would question this particular

committee. I'm not saying you don't meet

any other ones. I'm just looking at your

resume, but I feel your passion and I

see and I hear you saying what you want

to do um to help these residents. But

how familiar are you with HUD

regulations and and

>> Yeah, I'm familiar. I said I familiar

>> Yeah, I have worked with them in 1979.

So, you know, they have their like HUD

is a certain way that criteria you have

to go through to even get on getting to

section 8. They have different rules and

regulations as far as how you can um get

in, you know, get section A get into the

um into the residence, you know. But the

point is is my thing is how HUD how the

uh transparency of how people are on the

list? How do they move the people on the

list? How do they get to these places?

you know the timing how people be on

years and why aren't they being moved

but you're bringing other people in over

them giving them bigger larger units

when other people are waiting for you I

just want to know the process I'm just

finding

>> and that's pretty much what I'm trying

to ask you how how do you understand the

policies and the thing this is a this is

a huge

>> they say is like like when people they

they were say well it was an emergency

like a lot of times when people want to

get you know get moved into larger

units, they will say, "Well, it was

emergency something. This family had

presence over this family, but they're

sometimes it's not clear of what they're

they're they're saying because sometimes

it's not an emergency. Some people are

getting there because of certain favors

of people they know. So I do know that

know that you know

>> again that's the that's the part that I

hear that's very strong in you that

>> I don't I don't I'm like for far as HUD

HUD changed changed from the years that

I have been working for them. So as far

as their ruling and how they operate I

can't tell you exactly how they operate.

>> Yeah because we're talking about um

making decisions on revitalization in

these communities. I mean this is a this

is a a huge responsibility and again

what I'm hearing is the the passion that

you have to serve the people. I am just

not sure that this is the place um what

you want to change. You're talking about

changing law.

>> I'm not trying to change.

>> Yeah. Yeah. You're saying you want to

look at the policy. I mean

>> no I just want to see how

I'm sorry.

Uh what I'm saying is how you're seeing

how the treatment of the residents are,

how people are getting picked for this

and that. That's why I'm asking you how

familiar are you with uh you know the

housing authority and its policies. You

know a lot of these things this is a a

huge responsibility and that's just my

only concern. your passion and

everything else for the people of this

city is strong and I I know it's real

but again my concern is just on this

particular board I'm just a little

concerned personally of of of giving the

>> So what is your main concern you're

saying the revitalization of what the

>> so do you let me ask you this okay

>> do you know the scope of work in this

seat

>> the scope of work of the seat

>> that you're willing to serve on yes

>> yeah I'm willing to ser willing to serve

on this on the um committee yeah to um

to make Sure. It's transparency, but

also like you said, what she had just

read, I didn't read I read the whole the

whole thing, but

>> it's a lot.

>> I mean, it's a lot. I work for 36 years.

I know how to work and it's a lot. I

worked in I did um work for

comprollers's office, so it work. I'm

not afraid to work. I'm not afraid to

learn I mean to learn new things cuz you

you just can't every time when you get

in a position, you're not everybody's

not going to get a position and know

what that position is doing. You're

going to have to be taught some things.

You're going to have to learn some

things. So, I'm the type I research. I

search things. If I need to know what I

need to know, I'm going to find out what

I need to know.

>> And that's just me,

>> okay?

>> I'm a go-getter. So, you know what I

mean? I'm going to make sure that I'm

not going to go overstep no kind of

boundaries that I don't need to

overstep. I'm going to make sure I'm

doing things in decency and order.

>> Okay. No further questions.

>> Thank you. I have one more question and

then no more. Okay. Um, I was just

curious because I didn't see it on your

resume. You said you worked for the

housing authority in 1979.

>> Yeah, cuz I graduated in 78. Um, came

right out of school and work for

>> Oh. What was your role then?

>> I was upfront a receptionist clerical

worker. Okay.

>> But I, you know, I I took rents. I did

bookkeeping and everything like that. I

was more or less out in the front.

>> Okay.

>> Calming things down.

>> Okay. Thank you.

Um, are there any other questions for

Miss Horn?

Okay, seeing and hearing none, I move to

add resolution 56 of 2025 to our next

legislative session agenda for a formal

vote. Thank you.

>> Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Next,

we have the discussion of the committee

business for the community and economic

development committee. I will defer to

our community and economic development

committee chair, Councilwoman Daniels,

to lead discussion.

>> Thank you. Um, today the committee is

only uh seeing resolution 60th in 2025.

So, uh, Mr. Triel, do you mind reading

that into the record?

Resolution 60, 2025, a resolution

approving the preliminary/final land

development plan for 315 North Second

Street submitted by Adam Brenamman with

Brenamman Properties LLC to convert the

existing office building into a 10-unit

multifamily dwelling and associated site

and access improvements.

>> Thank you. Um, is there a representative

for the applicant here?

>> It does not appear so at this time.

>> Okay. Okay. So, I would just like to

disclose based on the name there's a

possibility I might have a conflict, but

I will check on that. I'll have I'll ask

the clerk to check on that tomorrow. Um,

and we'll in the meantime, we'll proceed

and if there's a conflict, I'll just uh

refrain from voting or further

deliberations. Um, so uh Mr. Jeeoff, if

you don't mind uh introducing yourself

and giving us a brief dis description of

the project, the process, and if you

have any information on timeline and

things like that for the project, that

would be great as well.

>> Uh sure, and I'll try and provide as

much uh background as I can on this

project. Uh Jeffrey Knight with the uh

uh planning director for the city of

Harrisburg. Uh the application before

council tonight is a land development

plan for the property at 315 North

Second Street. Uh this is um a uh parcel

that's um comprised of three different

uh buildings uh that were internally uh

connected I think sometime in the 1980s

I believe. Uh and since that time, it's

been operating as an office building. Uh

as uh council is aware, uh as I

presented several of these uh this year,

uh to you all, um the long-term trends

of office vacancy in the city here is uh

being met uh by redevelopment as

residential uh uh apartment buildings.

Um and this uh project is uh along those

same lines. Uh the space is being uh

redeveloped into a 10 unit uh multif

family dwelling. Um the the uh

applicants uh could uh probably provide

a little bit more on the um layout and

configuration of the space, but they'll

be in one and two unit configurations.

Um I believe they were up to uh 1,200

square ft for one of the two unit

buildings or two uh bedroom units. uh

that was on the uh second and third

floors uh has a loft configuration. So,

uh, the project is going to, uh, propose

several different types of unit designs

as opposed to maybe the smaller, uh,

more uniform designs that, um, council

has maybe seen for some of the other

buildings. And I think that's a lot of

that's due to the internal configuration

of the space, uh, with different, um,

stairways and entrances and building

support systems like walls. Um and uh

the project required the approval of a

variance application which the applicant

did receive uh during the June meetings.

Um so this is the second component uh of

the project, the land development

portion. Um and um the applicant uh in

addition to the internal configuration

of the space, the applicant does have

eight off- streetet parking spaces uh in

the lot directly behind the uh

buildings. Um it's the same lot that's

shared with uh I believe the Verizon

Tower there at the corner of um Second

and um Pine Street. Um and so even

though the property is located in the

commercial neighborhood zoning district

and is thus not required to have off

streetet parking, they are able to

provide uh eight spaces for residents

and their guests. Um, with that all

being said, the planning commission has

recommended that city council approve

the request with the following um for

the following reasons. The project has

received the requisite zoning relief

approval to convert the property into a

10-unit multif family dwelling. Uh, the

adaptive reuse of vacant and

underutilized office spaces into

apartment buildings is a long-term trend

uh for the neighborhood in downtown

Harrisburg. Uh other conversions of

former office buildings in the

surrounding neighborhood have

demonstrated the proposed use will not

adversely impact the character of the

neighborhood and the project will help

retain existing architecturally and

historically significant buildings.

And the proposed reuse will add

residents to the neighborhood to

activate the street on nights and

weekends and grow a customer base to

support local businesses and will

provide additional units to the downtown

housing inventory.

Thank you. Um I'm just going to open

this up for my colleagues. I'll start to

my my immediate left, Councilwoman um

Davis.

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Daniels. And uh

good evening, Mr. Knight. Thank you for

being here. I don't have any questions

about this project. Thank you.

>> You vice president Green.

>> Thank you very much. I don't have any

questions regarding this.

>> President Hill,

>> I do have questions, but Mr. Knight, I

don't I think they're for the applicant.

>> Okay.

>> Um,

so thank you,

>> Councilwoman.

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Daniels. I also

have questions, but they were for the

applicant. And

not that you wouldn't do a great job,

director Knight, but I also feel that um

coming into the city and wanting city

and wanting to have a project here, it's

um nice to show up and let us see who

you are and what you're going to bring

to the neighborhood and get a feel for

you because if you don't show up here,

you're going to show up for the

residents. I mean, you know, it's all

those kind of thoughts.

>> Um so I would prefer to ask them were

they why aren't they here? That would be

my question if anybody knows

>> here.

>> So, I had spoken to I had sent an email

out like I do with all of the the other

attendees here tonight and then I had

spoken to Mr. Brenamman on Friday who

assured me a team member would be here.

It just doesn't look like they made it.

>> Okay. No call, no show maybe. I don't

know. But, um yeah, maybe if they could

come in, I don't know. Um that would be

nice. So, I don't have any other

questions.

>> Thank you,

>> Councilman Rodriguez. Uh, it's always

good to see you all the time, Jeff. I

appreciate you being here, but I too had

questions to the applicant targeted the

demographics, affordability, WBE, MB

participation, etc., etc., etc. Um, so

it's, you know, I don't want to kind of

beat that horse down on you because it's

only but so much you can give us, but

um, I was highly hoping to speak with

someone from Brenamman today. So, um, I

guess the questions I do have I have to

keep on reserve. So, thank you for

joining us.

>> Thank you, Councilman Jones. Thank you,

Councilwoman Daniels. I'm going to stay

in tune. No questions.

>> Um, well, you have several options,

Councilwoman. Um, the deemed approved

date is not Oh.

>> Oh, sorry, Councilwoman Daniels. Um, the

deemed approved date is November 4th.

So, you could move it to the legislative

session. suspend discuss in front of the

applicant. They do have time to not move

until the next legislative session, you

know, so it's up to how she would they

were very active. Um, Mr. Brenamman

himself came to planning and then his uh

site managers came to zoning. So, I

don't know if it's miscommunication.

>> I'm sorry, I didn't hear what Mr.

Councilman Jones had said.

Uh, I just said that I was just going to

stay in uniform. I didn't have any

questions. Um,

>> Oh,

>> yeah, that's all.

>> Okay. Thank you. Sorry. So, um, you were

saying do the deemed do the deemed

accepted day is November 4th.

>> Yes, ma'am.

>> Okay. Thank you. So, I'm going to just

recommend I'm not going to rep recommend

that it be placed in on the next

legislative session just because I also

have the conflicts of interest questions

myself. So, I'm going to wait for Mr.

choose to speak with the applicant and

see whether they want to come in and

introduce themselves or at the very

least get the conflict questions for

myself out of the way and then proceed

accordingly. Um so I I'll just recommend

that we not add this to the next

legislative session and we'll

communicate with um a President Hill

when I hear back from Mr. Brenamman.

>> Okay, that sounds like a plan. Thank

you. Thank you, Mr. Knight. All right.

>> Yeah. And that concludes the business

for the community and economic

development today.

>> Thank you. Our final committee business

this evening lies with the public safety

committee. So I will defer to our public

safety committee chair, Councilman

Jones, to lead discussion.

>> Thank you, President Hill. I see we have

Chief Interline in the building.

Uh Mr. Trudell, can you please read

resolution 65 of 2025? Resolution 65205,

a resolution approving the adoption of

the Dolphin County 2025 hazard

mitigation plan as the official hazard

mitigation plan of the city of

Harrisburg.

>> Thank you. Uh Chief Inline, how are you

today, sir?

>> I'm well. How about yourself, council?

>> Good, good, good. Um yeah, can you just

give us a little uh well for for the the

public's because this is a huge document

um and it's very important one in my

opinion. Um can you just give us uh a

synopsis of what we're dealing with here

today with the uh DMA?

>> Sure. So uh this is just a readoption uh

council has adopted I think in under my

watch four of these plans. I believe

it's about every 3 years. Uh this one

actually uh because Dolphin County had

some grant money were two years ahead of

schedule of of readopting. But uh at the

end of the day, the hazard mitigation

plan uh is required under the disaster

mitigation act of 2000. Um and every

municipality has to adopt one. Back

early uh a long time ago, Harrisburg had

its own uh disaster mitigation plan that

we had a put together and a lot of a lot

of manpower. Uh Dolphin County has

stepped in as a department of uh

emergency services and has combined

every municipality in Dolphin County

under one uh plan. So, it makes it a lot

easier to to uh work. So, everything

that affects the city of Harrisburg is

in Dolphin Countyy's plan. We just adopt

that through the resolution uh which

allows us to comport with what the uh

the DMA of 2000 uh is looking for. When

we look at the plan u you know it it

goes through man-made disasters, natural

disasters, all those things that we deal

with those big scale incidents. uh and

also having this plan uh allows us then

to if we do have when not if when we

have those disasters. So whether that is

we look back at wintertorm Jonas the

city spent a substantial amount of money

uh there was a disaster declaration we

were able to uh bring money back to the

city as part of the FEMA reimbursement

process because we had a disaster

mitigation plan. So, uh, we look at, you

know, obviously one of the biggest

things we have, one of the biggest

threats we have is the river. Um, so

flooding. So, protecting and being able

to protect, uh, those residents that we

have that are in the flood plane. Um,

and then also looking at other disasters

from tornadoes, you know, that we saw.

And unfortunately, we didn't meet the

criteria, uh, the threshold uh, for any

reimbursement for the the tornado we

had. Uh but uh also uh one of the one of

the big things that's in this plan uh we

worked very closely with Capital Region

Water and Harrisburg Redevelopment

Authority to ensure that the

dchalization of Paxton Creek uh is

included in this hazard mitigation plan

which allows us then to apply uh and

receive federal dollars for that

pre-planning, the engineering and then

uh ultimately the construction of that D

channelization project which takes

approximately 400 acres I believe it is

out of the out of the flood plane. So,

it's a huge project and probably a

hund00 million project. Uh but without

this plan, uh we're unable to get any of

those federal dollars to assist with

that mitigation efforts. That just a

real high level overview.

>> Yes. Um thank you for that. And I think

that this is um again um an important

plan. And I was just speaking with uh

Commissioner

um Yeah, he's is the commissioner,

right? Carter.

Commissioner Carter about a a a a

disaster plan or an evacuation plan that

we can come up with and I think of

course you would be involved in this as

well. Um again with the and I'm not

scaring anyone but just to re um start

out this TMI. I can remember when I was

a kid when when that leak was there I

know we had eye pills and all of these

different things. I just want to be able

to make sure that we can put something

together cuz this is is is huge right?

And and by the way, let me say this that

the public, you can see this uh plan at

um hazard

mitigation plan. PDF hazard

mitigation

plan. PDF. And you can take a look at

this plan. It's it's very extensive. And

speaking of which, I want to also

reiterate to the public that um

yesterday, the 6th of October, Capitol

Region Water began to temporarily pump

and treat water from the Sescuana River,

which is our secondary drinking water

source and it be temporarily operating

um and to support some critical

maintenance and vital components of

CRW's drinking water infrastructure. So

again, I just wanted to make sure the

public know that that they are pumping

water, drinking water from uh the

Suscoana River. And that's pretty much

what I have. Go ahead. I see you.

>> So I I I do want to touch on the Crane

Clean Energy uh restart. So uh the

Bureau of Fire uh by designation uh is

the emergency managers for the city. So

that disaster mitigation plan for

anything that happens at Crane uh the

the upcoming reopening of Crane Clean

Energy uh all runs through u emergency

management which is uh led by the fire

chief and deputy chiefs. U we are

working very closely with Dolphin

County. They've hired a u they've hired

another uh person on staff to work with

that. And what we found and what Dolphin

County has found, what other counties

have found is it works better on a

regional level as opposed to singularity

uh as it comes to these large disaster

mitigation plans. So when we look at the

u the emergency evacuation plan for uh

Crane Clean Energy, that's going to

we're again we're already in discussions

uh working with nuclear regulatory

commission uh with the uh with the state

and uh trying to determine what that

looks like going forward. uh knowing

that the plan that we originally had uh

doesn't meet criteria. So, they're

looking now at science as opposed to

just blotting things on a map and uh and

that may change uh not may it will

change uh the way the city of Harrisburg

deals with uh you know any potential

emergency issues at uh Crane Clean

Energy uh when uh it comes back online

probably uh in 2027.

>> Yeah, thank you. Then I just want to see

if we can get something because this is

so huge and some of these things really

may not specifically

happen in the city so I I can see the

bigger map of the county itself. But

again, hoping that we can try to put

something um for the public. I I'm I'm

always been worried about this though.

Like seriously, like what if stuff

happened? I know we might get a break in

the in our phones and TVs, but is there

something that we can actually look at

as a city to just in case something

happens and we're prepared to do

whatever it is that we need to do? I'm

saying something condensed in layman

terms for our residents to understand.

>> Yeah. And that will come out. That is a

that is a requirement of the Nuclear

Regulatory Commission to the owner and

operator of the nuclear power plant. So

uh while we were while we were supported

uh and it is quite frankly an unfunded

mandate to the city uh from Crane Clean

Energy uh for the for the emergency

management stuff that we have to conduct

in addition to our normal what's really

covered here even though nuclear is in

here uh they're required uh by the

nuclear regulatory commission to have

all that stuff and to do that

pre-planning and to make those contacts

the like the eye dive pills you talk

about things like that are all required

and expenses of Crane Clean Energy uh at

the end of the day uh by law. So we'll

we are working closely with them.

Dolphin County is working closely with

them. We've already had two or three

meetings uh dealing with uh you know

potential evacuation sites. Just as an

example, um you know the plan uh the the

original plan for TMI, what is TMI? Uh

the evacuation point for uh the small

area of Harrisburg that was affected was

the Scotland School for Children in

Scotland, Pennsylvania, just off of

Interstate 81. That school is no longer

open and no longer a functioning

receiving facility for those being

evacuated from the um you know from the

affected the Temount EPZ. Uh so now

they're looking at other uh other areas

potentially um Shippensburg University.

So there there's a lot of moving parts.

Crane has a lot of work to do um prior

to turning that switch on and and

starting to uh uh

>> create energy again. Correct.

>> So, thank you, man. I I think u this is

a no-brainer for me. Um those are just

my my uh my input in it. I think um you

know, the public should really lay eyes

on this, especially in today's times.

Nothing is really too certain. Just

paying attention to, you know, any

potential things that can happen in our

area. So, um, I'll open the floor up to

my colleagues and I'll start to my

immediate left with your truth. I mean,

Mr. uh, Rodriguez.

>> Thank you, Chair Jones. Um, always a

pleasure to see you, Chief Enterline.

Um, I just wanted to go over the five

goals briefly of the mitigation plan

just for the residents watching that

might not even know what the mitigation

plan um, entitles. To mitigate the

effects of those hazards, the planning

team identified the following goals for

hazard mitig mitigation over the next

five years. Goal one, to protect life,

property, the environment, and the

critical infrastructure from natural and

humanmade hazards, preventing injury,

death, and damage. The second goal would

be to increase public awareness and

education on the impacts of natural

hazards, and promote activities to

mitigate these risks. Goal three,

protect and restore natural resources to

strengthen environmental resilience.

Number four, reduce the risk of natural

hazards for socially vulnerable

populations and underserved communities.

And of course, number five, to develop

and improve infrastructure to better

protect citizens and both public and

private properties from hazards. Um,

very good kind of breakdown of that. But

chief, when I was overlooking the plan,

there was one, of course, it's all

concerning when we're talking about

mitigating great risk hazards, but there

was one number that really stood out to

me that was a bit concerning. Um, so in

2010 to 2020, we actually had a 2%

increase in the population in

Harrisburg. So we're at about a 50,000

about 50,99 in population. But the

projections for 2030, we're actually at

a negative 7% decrease, losing over

3,000 residents. Why do you think that

they're projecting such a substantial

decrease?

>> So that came from that did not come from

us. Uh that came from uh statistics that

the uh architects of the plan look at.

So it was this was the plan really um

that minutiae in the plan if you will um

that we don't have the expertise to look

at is done by a consultant. So they look

at at uh trending uh statistics on

population trends and things like that.

That's how they come up with that. Um

you know look do we agree with that?

Probably not. Right. Um but what I what

I can say that to me that is minutiae in

the mix. I'm looking at um do do the

things that we identify that are a you

know as you outlined in those in those

five bullet points do they fit the plan

that that we're putting in there. So

when we identify a project does it fit

into the plan and is it going to be

money well spent? Is it going to be

something that's going to protect the

public and is it going to have uh

achievable outcomes? Absolutely. Uh, and

so I I think for us as emergency

managers, that's what we're looking at.

Not necessarily with all due respect,

the the population,

>> right? But as a legislator, being a

representative of the people, that's

what we're looking at. Sure. So when we

see residents fleeing at an all-time

high, council definitely would be

concerned. So it's just two different

perspectives coming from two different

sides of the table.

>> Yeah. And again, it's a, you know, it's

an outside consultant. Um, and quite

frankly, the the u you know, if I'm

being blunt, and you guys know I'm

pretty blunt, uh, the first consultant

we started working with was from down

south, and quite frankly, you know, it

is what it is. They they had really no

idea. They're looking at statistics,

right? They're number crunchers.

>> Uh, with all due respect,

>> Yep. No, I I totally understand. But if

it's something we're looking to, you

know, um, approve, it's definitely

concerning. And then it kind of makes me

think of what we can do better to keep

it, retain our residents, offer a bit

more, but it is just for mitigation um

of different hazards. Do you as the

chief uh of the fire department feel

like it is a very good plan to move

forward with something that they've

taken some great time and really

dissolved everything that could happen?

>> You know, I I think I look back on uh

and again it was a couple of years ago.

We look back on wintertorm Jonas um and

you know we exercised that plan pretty

extensively which was and you know I

look at this as the uh the the pen and

ink to the checkbook of the federal

government right uh so we followed

everything we needed to follow and we

documented everything we had to document

um volumes and volumes of paperwork uh

and you know the money we spent at that

time and we were we were signed a

contract for snow removal for $200

$300,000 at at a crack Um, and we to we,

you know, as we massaged that down, uh,

because of the diligence and because of

of following everything we had in the

plan, following the FEMA guidelines,

there was only about $400 of almost a

million dollars of expense that they

denied for us. Uh, and again, that's

that's being able to exercise and and

use the plan as designed uh, to fall

back on and not get outside of that

scope. Again, looking at those five

bullet points, as long as we're

following those, we're in good shape.

Now, um, just for my own edification

because I'm not even sure, uh, is there

a separate just Harrisburg mitigation

plan or are we incorporated with the

Dolphin County?

>> Correct. We're incorporated right with

Dolphin County. So, there's projects in

here again, there's Capital Regional

Water Projects, D channelization of of

Paxton Creek, but there's also um, you

know, some things in Derry Township,

right? it it is countywide. Uh which

gives us a a more regional approach to

emergency management which is you know

while every emergency goes to the local

level of government the smallest form of

government city or burrow like Steelton

uh when we look at it globally and

looking at it regionally uh it gives us

more uh more oomph behind it to to get

that assistance for the residents that

need it.

>> Gotcha. Thank you.

>> Whe whether that's pre incident or post

incident right awesome. Thank you. No

further questions.

>> Councilwoman Ross.

>> Thank you, Councilman Jones, and good

evening, Chief Interline. Thank you for

being here today to explain this

important plan. Um, I had one question.

It may go into two, but kind of the

same. Um, I was wondering being as

though um in Dolphin County, but also

Harrisburg, everyone does not speak the

same language, doesn't have the same

background. How is this plan is it

translated into different languages? How

do other members of our community um be

how do they translate this plan and be

able to understand it if English is not

their first language?

>> That's a good question and I am not 100%

sure because it is housed on Dolphin

County's website. I am not sure. I

believe that there was supposed to be a

Spanish version but I'm not 100% sure of

that.

>> Uh and I believe so it is a it is an

editable PDF. So, I believe through that

edit function, if you speak a different

language, you can go in and change and

it will convert. Um, it's probably going

to take some time because it's 800 and

some pages if you sat and read the whole

thing.

>> Correct. Would you be able to get that

answer and and maybe email us just in

case we get that question as well? Um,

because even Spanish isn't even just the

other languages in our community. Um,

there's there's so many. Um, so I'm just

wondering because sometimes we get those

type of questions and I would not know

how to answer that because I don't know

if there's a translation to it, but I

know it probably is important for it to

be. So

>> yeah, I I will reach out to Dolphin

County tomorrow and get an answer or

not. I believe it would be a simple

email and it could be converted.

>> Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you

so much. That's all I have actually. It

went into one question.

>> Thank you, President Hill.

>> I don't have any questions. Thank you

for being here this evening. Many of my

questions were asked and answered.

>> Thank you,

>> Vice President Green.

>> I don't have any questions, but it's

good to see you as always. Thank you

>> as always. Thank you,

>> Councilwoman Davis.

>> Thank you, Councilman Jones. Good

evening, Chief Erline.

>> Good evening.

>> So, I don't have any questions. Um,

well, actually, I do have one question.

I read over the uh hazard mitigation

plan briefly and I understand that the

city wants to adopt the county's plan.

Um it says here that uh one of the

processes would be to assess or even one

out of four two out of four assess the

counties and each municipalities

vulnerabilities to these hazards. So,

natural hazards, tornadoes,

wildfires,

invasive species, utility interruptions,

winter storms, tornadoes, radon,

exposure, and there's uh some more

identified here. Um, and I was just

complimenting you and your deputy chief

on ensuring that the evacuation plan was

updated for one of our senior high-rise

uh buildings. Um, but I think it's

important that

if we as a community need to evacuate

for whatever reason,

each facility should at least know how

to get out in case of an emergency. So,

um, you guys have already been working

on that and that's just one of the

things that I'd like to see, you know,

follow through to make sure that the

residents know how to get out of the

building in case they do have to

evacuate because can you imagine

all of a sudden we our phones emergency

system starts going off and they're

telling everyone to go to a specific

point, but the residents in the

buildings don't know where to go and

everybody's scrambling around. We have

disabled members, people in wheelchairs

and so

>> yeah, my concern.

>> Yeah, very valid points. Um and

understanding this plan is for large

disasters. So, this isn't for a building

fire. This doesn't cover a building fire

or uh while it does cover building

collapse, right? It it doesn't it

doesn't cover those small incidents, if

you will. a a a kitchen fire on the

fifth floor of the Jackson building, the

Jackson Tower. Uh and and that falls to

the local that falls to what our

planning already is working with

Harrisburg Housing as we had talked. So,

this plan looks at the the bigger

picture, bigger when we're evacuating

communities, the entireties of

communities and that planning uh then

falling back to the plan, we start to

look at our uh different resources that

we have. So, we're looking at busing.

We're looking at uh you know, how do we

convert uh you know in in looking at 3M

Island, right? We take Cameron Street

and make it one way uh so there's no

coming into the city. It's only one way

out. Uh and things like that. So, that's

what this plan's looking at. big big

picture big uh incidents uh in a smaller

smaller scale. While it's not small to

the resident that that fire and other

emergencies in the building are dealt

with under the fire code and and uh you

know are or fire codes, if you will, as

opposed to the disaster mitigation plan.

>> Thank you, Chief Ederline. Um, I just

wanted to uh note that I still think

that it's very important even though it

doesn't fall under this um plan on a

large scale, it does on a small scale

and it's very important that that you

know be addressed as well. So you guys

are already on top. Agreed. Thank you so

much Chief Interline. Thank you for

being here.

Good.

Councilwoman Daniels,

>> no question.

>> All right. Thank you again, Chief

Innerline. You got any last last remarks

you want to

>> say?

>> That's it. I'm good.

>> That's it. So,

>> I got to go finish reading the plan.

It's 800 pages.

>> Yes, it is huge. Again, let me put that

back out there. I'm glad you said

>> there will be a test at the legislative

session uh when you go to vote on it. I

will have questions for you.

>> All right. Um, again for the uh

residents out there, you can look at

this plan and go check it out. It is

huge. Um, hazard

hyphen mitigation

plan.pdf.

And I would I would move to add uh

resolution 65 to our next legisl

legislative session for a vote. I know

it's a lot of stuff.

All right. All right.

>> And that con No, that doesn't conclude.

>> Oh, I'm still done. I'm waiting for her.

I keep doing that. Um, so, uh, Mr.

Trudeell, can you read resolution 66 and

67 into the record?

>> Resolution 66, 2025, a resolution

confirming the appointment of Robert

Jennings III to serve on the Citizens

Law Enforcement Advisory Committee. and

resolution 672025,

a resolution confirming the appointment

of Dominique Commodore to serve on the

Citizens Law Enforcement Advisory

Committee.

>> Thank you. I do see Mr. Commodore and

Mr. Jennings III in the building. If you

guys can come up,

uh Mr. Jennings, you could you can sit

there. Mr. Trudell is going to help you

out with a microphone. You can come on

up.

make sure you speak directly into the

mic so everyone at home can hear you

>> and uh

>> you know I want to thank both of you

gentlemen um again for willing your

willingness to serve on this committee

um as you know it's a very important

committee um a great opportunity for our

city um to kind of you know bridge the

gap between uh community and police um

and bring forth some new ideas and

direction. So, uh, just tell us a little

bit about why you want to serve and you

both can answer. Um, it doesn't go into

I'll go with Mr. Commodore first.

>> Good evening everyone. My name is

Dominique Commodore and one of the main

reasons why I wanted to serve on this

committee is that um, I work um, in

Harrisburg school district as an

assistant principal dealing with the

ninth grade and I just see the influx

and of crime in the city. Um I do

believe my position um being from

Harrisburg and alumni of the district

and just in the community in different

capacities whether from coach and

wrestling um it would be a good um point

to be like a bridge where I can bring

new ideas. Um we see a lot of you know

different things throughout the day

whether it be from the students um

bringing different crimes or just other

situations that happen throughout the

day. It's a good opportunity for me to

just, hey, I have eyes right there on

the ground telling you what I'm seeing.

Also bring, you know, new viewpoints.

Um, you know, share what maybe some of

the students or even the parents are um

expressing just different concerns and

even what, you know, my neighbors might

be sharing just throughout the streets

of Harrisburg. Um, I also think that,

like I said, as me being from here, um,

from uptown, I do think it is a good

opportunity to be a bridge bidder and a

piece in the community to connect the

dots.

>> Thank you. Uh, Mr. Jennings.

>> Yes. I uh one of the main reasons I

wanted to serve on the advisory board is

because I live here and I see what's

going on. Uh many of you know the jobs

that I did in the past. Um I don't think

the police are our enemy. Uh I think

they make mistakes and those who do need

to be corrected, but they're human too.

And I think we have to like Mr. common.

So, we have to bridge that gap and we

have to I understand it's some it's some

nasty police officers, don't get me

wrong, and I think they should be dealt

with. No doubt about it. I think the

advisory board should make a

recommendations and do whatever they got

to do. But we got to have peace in our

streets. Our streets are out of hand.

And one of the ways that you can

sometime you need somebody in the

middle, you know, sometimes I don't know

how you guys came up, but I came up with

three parents. And sometime I didn't

like what my mom and dad said, but then

my grandmama would sit me down and take

her time and break it down to me. That

makes it a whole lot better, a whole lot

more understandable. So, I think that's

the I think that's the way with the

police advisory board. You need somebody

that that can sit down and relate to

people. Um, I was a constable, for those

of you who don't know me up there, I was

a constable for 17 years. I was district

judge for 12 years. I coached

football for 22 years. I've been in and

out of John Harris talking to those kids

when I was on the bench and most of them

need just a little love. But you got to

show them another side. They don't see

that. Some of them only see the rough

side. So I think if we all work together

on this board, I think it'll be a

beautiful thing. Harrisburg might even

be a a city that other people want to

come and see how we did it because we

can do it. This ain't Philly. This ain't

Baltimore,

you know. We We can do this here,

>> right? All right. Can I Can I get an

amen?

>> All right. Now, don't don't have me

preaching up here now cuz I don't mind I

bringing a word.

No, but seriously,

seriously, it's a needed effort. It

really is.

>> I thank you. I thank you, man. Again, I

want to thank all of the um Cleak

members that came out and um put their

hat in this ring. Um again, just what

how I see it from a a public safety

standpoint is that um in 2025 or any

other year, the police shouldn't be

policing our communities. I think that's

a US thing. And this is where I think

this can really kick off to to uh Mr.

Jennings's point. um we do have a great

opportunity to do something and be

actually a trailblazer in this regard um

and hopefully uh be a model for other

peoples to come look at. So I don't have

any questions. I'm very impressed with

you guys and I'm I'm sat sat with you

through a lot of this process. Uh so

I'll open the floor up and I'll start

with President Hill this time.

>> Oh, I get to start. Thank you. Um so I

just wanted to provide an overview of

the cle board and share the general

function. Uh so the Citizens Law

Enforcement Advisory Committee or CLEAC

as we've been referring to it was

established to promote public

accountability and community trust in

Harrisburg's law enforcement. CLEAC

functions as an advisory body of

residents providing oversight, policy

recommendations, and a forum for

dialogue between the public and the

Harrisburg Bureau of Police. It is

designed to improve transparency,

protect community rights, and foster

stronger

uh police community relations.

In reference to general function,

uh reviews law enforcement policies,

practices, and data to improve

transparency and public accessibility.

Provides residents a forum to voice

concerns about police interactions and

community safety issues. Identify

systematic or recurring problems and

help recommend changes in local law

enforcement practices. Promotes fair,

just and dignified treatment of all

persons in Harrisburg, fosters trust and

positive relationships between law

enforcement and community members.

Encourages open communication and

dialogue between residents, businesses,

and law enforcement. and facilitates

public participation in shaping law

enforcement approaches and community

crime prevention. Um, I don't really

have any questions. I was at the CLEAC

meeting when both of you were

interviewed, so I got to hear um some of

the dialogue between the current members

and both of you as prospective members.

Um,

>> yeah, I don't I don't have any

questions. Thank you for your interest

in serving.

All right, Vice President Green.

>> Thank you, Councilman Jones.

Thank you, um,

Judge Jennings, for being here. Uh, I

appreciate you continuing to be willing

to serve the residents of Harrisburg in

every capacity. I don't really have any

questions for you. Um, I know the work

that you've done. I know your

background. I think you'd be a great fit

to the board, kind of offering a

different perspective, uh, and giving

that whole approach. So, I appreciate

it. Um, Mr. Commander, I appreciate you

being here tonight and for your

willingness to serve. I think being able

to bring an approach um that represents

education perspective um and kind of

seeing some of those struggles that our

youth uh face in the schools and also in

the communities I think that's a very

important perspective uh because a lot

of the violence that we're dealing with

um in our streets also has to do with

our youth and unfortunately as much as

we talk about them and all the programs

that are needed it's a voice that al

often gets unheard and a lot of these

important meetings so I appreciate you

being willing to represent them and take

a stand for that. So, thank you.

>> Thank you.

>> Thank you, uh, Vice President Green,

Councilwoman Davis.

>> Thank you, Councilman Jones, and thank

you, Judge Jennings, and Mr. Commodore,

for being here this evening and for uh

being willing to serve our youth in the

city. I think that this is much needed

and I'm happy to hear when President

Hill was reading all of the uh the

requirements and would go on.

Um, yes, our children just need a little

love. And I think that the outlet that

they can have to express their feelings

and their thoughts and ideas or whatever

is going on in their head, it's

important that they have an outlet to be

able to do that. Um, otherwise their

outlets are sometimes violence and

council with different things that Okay.

speaking to your mic.

>> I think this is a good initiative, so

I'm behind it 100%.

Thank you.

>> Thank you. And I also want to note too

that um the commissioner um Carter and

Deputy Chief Young also attended these

meetings and I think they got off to a

really good start. Um it wasn't

contentious. Um I think this is

something again huge for our community.

So, I also wanted to thank uh

Commissioner Carter and Deputy Chief

Young for showing up and um their

willingness to work with this committee.

Um I'll move right along to Councilwoman

Ross.

>> Okay. Sorry. Um there me being

controlling. Sorry. So, um thank you

both um to Mr. J Jennings and Mr.

Commodore for coming. Um, I know you

both very well and you are leaders in

our community and I think having you on

this board with the other leaders in our

community that are on there now shows

people that it's okay to be friends with

the police officers. It's okay to have a

conversation. Um, and I think that's

what we have to see cuz for you, for us

in our community, you all are cool,

right? You're the cool guys. You're the

people that people are looking up to. So

to see you interacting with them and

saying, "Yes, I am on this board and all

cops are not bad and yes, things happen,

but this is how we can deal with them."

It shows a line of respect. And so um I

just thank you for being willing to

serve on this board, being as though um

you already do so much for the

community, but being on here, it it

brings it up another level and shows

people something different. Um so I

don't have any questions. I just really

wanted to give you your flowers and also

make a comment and to say thank you.

>> Thank you.

>> Thank you, Councilwoman Ross. And last

but not least, coming in at 5 foot.

>> Oh my gosh.

>> Council Councilman Rodriguez.

>> Ah, thank you, Chair Jones. I'm six foot

though, by the way.

>> Uh, Principal Commodore, your honor. It

is a pleasure um to be in your presence.

Really good friends with Mr. Dominic um

for a long time. Actually, I can attest

to the great work he's done in the

community because he's done an amazing

job with my oldest son um taking him

from an antisocial young man in junior

high to now flourishing as an

all-American athlete and now at Cheney

University on a full ride. And I'd be

lying if I didn't say Mr. Commodore

didn't have a part, a huge part in that,

him achieving and becoming a man. So,

thank you for that. Um absolutely. And

Judge Jennings, I've been in front of

you a few times back in the day now.

But it's just amazing that we continue

to, you know, cultivate a culture of

just great individuals. Um there's a

great council body here that knows who's

doing the work. So it's amazing to be

able to reach out to those individuals

and, you know, get you guys to play a

role. So I'm honored. I'm privileged and

I can't wait to see what the Cleak has

in store for the future. So Coach Dom,

as I always tell you, love you. Thank

you and your honor. I look forward to

working. But there is one question. I

think Mr. Ciders may be able to ask. I'd

love to see your honor sitting on a deis

with the rest of the team. So, how can

we make this space more ADA compliant so

Judge Jennings can join us? How can we

make that possible?

>> Well, let let me say this. I can walk. I

just can't walk far.

>> Still like to accommodate. Still would

like to accommodate if possible.

>> I got you, sir.

>> Okay. All right. All right. But still,

just out of respect, I think it's

important for us to even ask the notion

to accommodate.

>> Thank you. Go ahead.

>> We It's my understanding that there'll

be so with the appointment of these two

gentlemen, there'll be a total of nine

people. Is that correct? So, seven

districts and then two alternates

>> or

general at large members. Okay. Thank

you. So, I think the meeting location

will not be the council chambers. So, I

I believe the room will be accessible

for everyone.

>> Perfect. Thank you. Thank you, President

uh Hill and Council and Councilman

Rodriguez. And I also before I go back

to Councilwoman Ross, I also want to

give acknowledge that uh Councilman

Rodriguez when he was in this committee,

he was actually the one to go out and

select the first five members of this uh

uh potential committee of this

committee. Um you know, and and those pe

those individuals really hung on for

about

>> three four years before we got this

started. and um picking up the last leg.

Um so I want to thank you for the for

the work that you put in um to to to

help get this uh board started. I mean

committee started and um I'm glad that

we're at this space right now. Uh

Councilwoman Ross

>> Green. Vice President Green.

>> Oh,

>> Vice President Green. No, it was me. I'm

just saying Vice President Green started

>> started to work and I went ahead and got

him.

>> I apologize. Hold on. Let me let them

talk. Yeah.

U no and it's just a quick question and

um I don't know it might be more for

legal I feel like um sometimes uh

committees come in front of us we make

motions people get on boards and this

not against anybody it's just a question

but the communication then goes away and

we don't always hear like what's

happening or um what's going on that's

new but I know um with um cleak you all

have a meeting so they have that

communication piece but like HHA or um

the audit committee, things like that.

Like are the committees allows anything

and I didn't I couldn't find anything.

Is there anything in a rule that I'm

missing that they can't come and

communicate with us and say, "Hey, this

is what's happening on our committee."

>> I don't think so. I think they just have

to be asked.

>> Okay. All right. I'm just wondering

because I feel like it always get after

we vote on something gets lost, it goes

away. It's like fairy dust. But just

that that transparent communication. So,

I was just wondering.

>> Yeah. You can have them as, you know,

how you usually have communications

>> quarterly. You can have them have

reports month. You know, you can ask for

pretty much how you want them to come in

and communicate with you.

>> There are formal reports and advice that

uh CLEAC as well as some of the other

boards that you mentioned provide.

Specifically, CLEACK U. They are to

share an annual report submitted to the

mayor and city council summarizing

CLAK's activities, findings, and

recommendations.

Policy and practice recommendations

issued to the Harrisburg Bureau of

Police, Mayor, and City Council on

policing practices, community concerns,

and legislative or administrative

reforms. Investigatory findings. Cleak

may issue reports on law enforcement

practices supported by its ability to