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Harrisburg City Council Legislative Session 3/10/2026

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Summary

The Harrisburg City Council narrowly approved the controversial appointment of Gloria Martin-Roberts as Director of Building and Housing Development after she served 645 days in an interim capacity. To prevent future bypasses of council authority, the council unanimously passed Bill 3 to explicitly ban long-term interim directorships and block their municipal compensation.

This session highlights a significant separation-of-powers struggle in local government, illustrating how a municipal legislative body can use budgetary and structural amendments to check executive power while managing federal compliance crises.

Section summaries

0:00-3:38

Intro and Rehearsal Block

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The initial segment before the meeting starts, showing council preparing for the session and scheduling a group photo.

This is purely administrative preparation with no public business discussed.

3:38-10:54

Caucus and Legislative Overview

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President Hill outlines the agenda for the legislative caucus and session, listing bills and resolutions up for votes, followed by roll call and deceased residents' memorials.

It provides a quick roadmap of the meeting but lacks deep discussion.

10:54-18:10

St. Patrick's Day Parade & Lucky Charm 4-Mile Race

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Todd Vander Woody and Sydney Musser from the Downtown Improvement District present route maps, street closures (9 AM - 4 PM), parking fees, and safety plans for the March 21st events.

This is relevant to local residents and businesses planning for event logistics, but not policy-heavy.

18:10-39:58

Courtesy of the Floor: Public Comments Part 1

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Residents voice concerns regarding contractor equity, local school trades programs, Allison Hill after-school programs, and housing issues.

It displays raw community sentiment on key issues like youth programming, code enforcement, and contractor inclusion.

39:58-1:09:02

Courtesy of the Floor: Immigration, Taxes, and Personnel Attacks

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Contentious public debate featuring arguments over sanctuary policies, $1.5 billion in tax-exempt city properties, and character attacks/defenses of Gloria Martin-Roberts.

This segment is highly dramatic and contextualizes the upcoming council split vote on Martin-Roberts.

1:09:02-1:19:56

Committee Reports (Administration & Public Works)

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President Hill and Councilman Rodriguez read work session reports covering church tax exemptions (Bill 2), department head limits (Bill 3), AFSCME labor contracts (Res 15), Lamar billboard leases, and corner store litter cans (Bill 4).

It provides the technical and financial details behind the major bills voted on tonight.

1:19:56-1:30:50

Ordinances for Amendment and Final Passage (Bills 2, 3, and 4)

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Council amends Bill 3 to strip the mayor of unconfirmed interim appointment power, passes Bill 2 (church tax relief), passes Bill 3 (as amended), and passes Bill 4 (corner store trash cans).

Contains the critical legislative action of the night, including a direct structural restriction of mayoral power.

1:30:50-1:38:06

Voting on Billboard Leases and AFSCME Agreement

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Council quickly approves Resolutions 10 through 14 (Lamar advertising leases) and ratifies the AFSCME Local 521 basic labor agreement for 2026-2028.

These are important financial and labor outcomes, but passed rapidly with zero opposition.

1:38:06-2:14:26

The Confirmation Hearing of Gloria Martin-Roberts

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Council holds an intense, prolonged questioning session of Martin-Roberts regarding her 645-day interim tenure, HUD compliance, Allison Hill housing projects, and qualifications.

This is the climax of the session, featuring hard questions, policy defenses, and administrative warnings.

2:14:26-2:21:42

Split Vote on Resolution 17 and Adjournment

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VP Lamont Jones explains his 'no' vote due to executive disrespect of the law, President Hill reads the timeline of Martin-Roberts' interim service, and council confirms her in a tight 4-3 vote.

Shows the final historic vote and the passionate legal justifications of the opposing council members.

Key points

  • Restraining Executive Interim Appointments — Council unanimously passed Bill 3 with a critical amendment prohibiting the mayor from appointing long-term interim department heads and barring the city controller from issuing compensation to any unconfirmed temporary appointments.
  • Federal Funding Timeliness Crisis — Newly confirmed Director Martin-Roberts revealed that Harrisburg is under a federal HUD timeliness review because the city failed to draw down housing and urban development funds for six consecutive years prior to her tenure.
  • Corner Store Litter Mitigation — Council passed Bill 4 to mandate the placement of standardized city-designated litter receptacles (black cans with orange lids) outside corner stores and high-traffic commercial exits.
  • AFSCME Labor Contract Ratification — Council ratified the 2026-2028 basic labor agreement with AFSCME Local 521, granting retroactive wage increases (4% for 2026), a one-time bonus, and formalizing Juneteenth as a paid holiday.
Except as set forth herein, the mayor is prohibited from appointing an interim or other temporary department head and the controller shall be prohibited from approving or issuing any compensation associated with any such appointment. Danielle L. Hill
We are under timeliness review, which means over the last 6 years the city has not drawn down their federal funds. Gloria Martin-Roberts

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1:59

Mhm.

3:42

>> Good evening. Thank you. That wasn't

3:44

free press. We had a group photo

3:46

scheduled prior to the start of our

3:48

legislative session.

3:50

We're going to conduct our legislative

3:52

caucus prior to calling our legislative

3:55

session to order. Mr. Truesdale will

3:58

lead our roll call. I will lead the

4:01

invocation this evening. The Pledge of

4:03

Allegiance will be led by Councilwoman

4:05

Davis.

4:06

For communications, we have a

4:08

presentation on the Downtown Improvement

4:11

District's annual St. Patrick's Day

4:13

Parade.

4:15

Mr. Todd Vander Woody, executive

4:17

director, and Sydney Musser, social

4:20

media and marketing specialist, will

4:22

lead that presentation.

4:24

Then we will open the floor for courtesy

4:26

of the floor, followed by the approval

4:28

of the minutes for the legislative

4:30

session that occurred on February 24th,

4:33

2026.

4:35

There are two committee reports that you

4:37

will hear this evening. I will deliver

4:39

the first report on behalf of the

4:41

administration committee on the work

4:43

session of March 3rd, 2026.

4:47

The next report will be delivered by our

4:50

Public Works Committee Chair, Councilman

4:52

Rodriguez, on the work session of March

4:55

3rd, 2026.

4:58

We do not have any ordinances for first

5:00

reading. There are three ordinances for

5:03

amendment, bill two of 2026, bill three

5:07

of 2026, and bill four of 2026.

5:15

There are three

5:18

ordinances for final passage, bill two

5:21

of 2026,

5:23

bill three of 2026,

5:26

and bill four of 2026.

5:29

We will then move to resolutions.

5:33

The first resolution for consideration

5:36

is resolution 10 of 2026, which we will

5:39

vote upon.

5:41

Resolution 11 of 2026,

5:44

which we we vote upon.

5:46

Resolution 12 of 2026,

5:49

which we will vote upon.

5:51

Resolution 13 of 2026, which we will

5:54

vote upon.

5:56

Resolution 14 of 2026,

5:59

which we will vote upon.

6:01

Resolution resolution 15 of 2026,

6:05

which we will vote upon.

6:09

Resolution 16 of 2026

6:12

will move to the administration

6:14

committee.

6:17

Resolution 17 of 2026,

6:21

we will vote upon this evening.

6:24

I will request a suspension of the rules

6:27

for discussion.

6:30

Resolution 18 of 2026

6:36

will move to the budget and finance

6:40

committee.

6:42

And then resolution 19 of 2026

6:47

will move to the administration

6:49

committee.

6:51

Is there any old business for

6:52

discussion, council members?

6:56

Seeing hearing none, any new business?

7:00

Seeing and hearing none, then we will

7:03

adjourn.

7:07

Okay, the time is 6:10 p.m. I'd like to

7:11

officially call our legislative session

7:13

to order.

7:15

Mr. Chisolm, could you please call the

7:17

roll?

7:18

>> Ms. Davis.

7:20

>> Present.

7:21

>> Ms. Green.

7:22

>> Present.

7:23

>> Mr. Jones.

7:24

>> Here.

7:26

>> Mr. Lawson.

7:27

>> Here.

7:27

>> Ms. Rose.

7:28

>> Present.

7:29

>> Mr. Rodriguez.

7:30

>> Present.

7:31

>> Ms. Hill.

7:32

>> Present.

7:41

>> I will lead the invocation this evening.

7:44

I would like to ask to please keep the

7:47

following residents, families, and

7:49

friends in your thoughts and prayers in

7:51

the coming weeks and months ahead.

7:53

Mr. Hazel McWhite received his formal

7:57

education in the Harrisburg School

7:58

District. He was a proud graduate of

8:01

William Penn High School. He was a

8:03

talented member of the track team.

8:05

He was later employed with Harrisburg

8:08

Public Transportation where he retired.

8:11

Ms. Linda Poteat, she was a loving

8:13

mother, grandmother, sister, aunt, and

8:16

friend.

8:18

Ms. Kay Smith, she received her formal

8:20

education in the Harrisburg School

8:22

District. She was a proud graduate of

8:24

Harrisburg High School. In her leisure,

8:26

she enjoyed watching classic television

8:29

shows. She will be remembered for her

8:31

loving heart, kind spirit, and generous

8:34

nature.

8:35

Reverend Dr. Calvin Edmond Sr. He was a

8:39

long-time city resident who began his

8:41

ministry at Macedonia Missionary Baptist

8:44

Church. He also held leadership and

8:46

administrative roles with the

8:48

Pennsylvania Department of Education and

8:51

the Pennsylvania Department of Health

8:52

where he retired in 1998.

8:55

In his leisure, he enjoyed traveling the

8:57

world including trips across North

9:00

America, Africa, Asia Minor,

9:03

Europe, Australia, and the Caribbean.

9:07

Pastor John Wesley Manigault,

9:09

affectionately known as JW, moved to

9:12

Harrisburg in 1965.

9:15

He established C&J Drywall with his

9:18

partner, Reverend Cleveland Martin. He

9:21

will be remembered for his stylish dress

9:24

and his smile which could brighten up

9:26

any room.

9:28

Ms. Robin Freeman, she received her

9:31

formal education in the Harrisburg

9:32

School District. She graduated from

9:34

Harrisburg High School where she

9:36

participated in JROTC

9:38

and she was a member of the basketball

9:40

team. She was employed by the Harrisburg

9:43

School District where she served as a

9:45

security officer. In her leisure, she

9:48

enjoyed arts and crafts.

9:50

And we will continue to keep the family

9:53

of Ms. Tierza Cameron, Deputy Solicitor,

9:56

in our thoughts and prayers in the

9:58

months and weeks ahead. If everyone

10:00

could please join me in a moment of

10:01

silence.

10:06

Thank you.

10:08

The Pledge of Allegiance will be led by

10:09

a Councilwoman Davis.

10:34

Thank you, Councilwoman Davis.

10:37

For communications this evening, we are

10:39

joined by Mr. Todd Vander Woody,

10:41

Executive Director, and Ms. Sydney

10:44

Musser, Social Media and Marketing

10:47

Specialist, with the Downtown

10:49

Improvement District to discuss the

10:51

annual St. Patrick's Day Parade.

11:03

>> Well, good evening.

11:05

Again, I'm Todd Vander Woody, the

11:07

Executive Director for the Harrisburg

11:09

Downtown Improvement District, and with

11:11

me I have Sydney Musser, who's our

11:12

Social Media and Marketing Specialist

11:15

and coordinator of the parade again this

11:17

year. And

11:19

thank you for the opportunity to be here

11:21

this evening.

11:22

We get to talk about the upcoming St.

11:24

Patrick's Day Parade, which is going to

11:27

be a week from Saturday,

11:29

uh uh, March 21st.

11:32

Uh the parade starts at 2:00 in the

11:35

afternoon. Um,

11:37

I'm going to talk a little, uh, Sydney's

11:39

going to talk about the parade. I'm

11:41

going to talk a little bit about the

11:42

activities running up to the parade. Um,

11:45

so with regards to the parade, um,

11:49

of course it's here in downtown. Uh,

11:51

we're going to line up the groups, um,

11:54

just like with the city's holiday

11:55

parade. We'll line up the groups,

11:58

uh, on City Island and the Market Street

12:00

Bridge. Um, they will go, uh, over the

12:04

Market Street Bridge, uh, traveling to

12:06

Second Street and turning left. And, uh,

12:10

the stage will be set up, uh, right out

12:13

front of the City Government Center

12:14

here,

12:15

um,

12:16

uh, for viewing. And, um,

12:19

so

12:20

the parade will continue on down Second

12:22

Street and then turn left up on North

12:25

Street up by the Y and then go to Front

12:28

Street and then back to the island.

12:31

Uh, again, a a map of the parade route,

12:34

um, and a list of the road closures,

12:35

Sydney's going to go over those here in

12:37

a little bit, um, but it can be found on

12:39

our parade website, which is

12:41

harrisburgstpatricksdayparade.com.

12:45

Uh, before the parade, uh, we have

12:48

another exciting event here for

12:49

downtown, very unique, uh, event. It's

12:53

the Lucky Charm 4-Mile Race. Um, a lot

12:56

of races in the area, of course, are

12:58

5K's, which is 3.1 miles, 10K's, 6.2

13:02

miles, of course half marathon,

13:04

marathon, all that stuff, but this is

13:05

something a little different. Uh, the

13:07

Lucky Charm, uh, 4-Mile Race,

13:10

um, which again, it kind of opens the

13:12

racing season, uh, here in the

13:14

Harrisburg area. The race will start at

13:17

noon and it's very unique in the effect

13:20

that

13:21

that it starts right at the stage, um,

13:25

right here in front of the City

13:26

Government

13:27

And they use the

13:29

uh, the route where they'll run up

13:30

Second Street right downtown here. Then

13:34

they'll eventually they'll cut over

13:36

to the Market Street Bridge, run around

13:38

City Island, come back into the city on

13:41

the Walnut Street Bridge, and then

13:43

finish right on the right in the stage

13:46

area again. So it starts and finishes

13:48

right at the at the parade stage. That's

13:50

very very unique. The runners absolutely

13:53

love it. running down Second Street

13:57

with the road closed. It's the same

13:58

closures as we use for the parade. So it

14:01

works out very well.

14:02

So each each runner that participates

14:05

will receive a medal and a customized

14:07

race t-shirt as well as a gift

14:10

certificate to Fleet Feet Mechanicsburg

14:13

who puts on the race for us. The race is

14:17

limited to 1,000 participants. And it

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fills up each and every year

14:24

with that. So

14:25

again, there'll be age group

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prizes

14:29

and awards presented.

14:32

And that'll be about 1:30. So as we're

14:34

present as the race finishes up, we'll

14:36

be setting up for the parade. But then

14:39

we'll do awards at the stage about 1:30

14:41

or so leading off to the kickoff of the

14:44

parade. And I'll turn it over to Sydney

14:46

for that.

14:49

>> All right. My name is Sydney. I'm the

14:51

parade organizer.

14:53

What a cool job this is. It's such a fun

14:55

event to plan and it brings a lot of

14:57

people downtown. And some of the groups

14:59

we have in the parade are just amazing.

15:01

It's really cool to see all the groups

15:03

across Pennsylvania in the community

15:04

that come to participate. So we

15:07

currently have over 60 groups

15:08

participating. So we anticipate the

15:10

parade to be about an hour in length.

15:13

It's perfect amount of time if you are

15:14

running in the race and you just want to

15:16

chill and watch the parade and then stay

15:18

after for some food. We have a lot of

15:21

our usual groups joining like the Blue

15:23

Moon Cruisers with a bunch of cool and

15:25

classical cars, the McGinley School of

15:28

Irish Dance,

15:29

uh, of course plenty of bagpipes. I'm

15:31

sure everybody loves hearing that. I

15:33

mean, you can't ignore it when it comes

15:35

echoing down Second Street. Um, so we

15:38

have Kilt Na Eve Pipe Band, Nittany

15:40

Highland Pipe Band. So, be sure to wear

15:42

your green and plenty of tartan.

15:44

Um, we have the Notre Dame Club of

15:46

Harrisburg, the Harrisburg Senators,

15:49

Perry County Old Iron Collectors, the

15:51

Steelton Highspire Marching Band, and

15:54

there are plenty of fire trucks from the

15:55

area, lots of departments that come to

15:57

participate. So, there is truly

15:59

something for everyone at the parade.

16:01

Um, and it's great for community groups

16:03

to get some visibility

16:05

and participate.

16:07

So,

16:08

um, that includes our sponsors and we

16:10

are very very fortunate to have so many

16:12

great community sponsors especially here

16:14

in downtown. Um, some of our sponsors

16:17

include Ace Distributing, Explore

16:19

Harrisburg, Cargill, Bourbon Street

16:22

Saloon, JB Love Drafts, Nocturnal, the

16:25

New Capital City Music Hall,

16:27

Sawyer's, Sheets, Zembie's, the PA

16:30

Sports Games and Capital Vending,

16:33

McGrath's Irish Pub, of course,

16:35

the Mad Moose, Sturges Speakeasy, and

16:38

Fleet Feet. Um, also of note, Todd had

16:41

mentioned that the, uh, Lucky Charm will

16:43

be occurring before the parade. There

16:45

will also be plenty of, uh, St. Patty's

16:47

themed, uh, parties after the parade um,

16:50

including at, um,

16:52

Nocturnal, at Sawyer's, at Bourbon

16:54

Street. Um, there will also be a Battle

16:57

of the Bands at Capital City Music Hall.

16:59

So, it is just going to be a great day

17:02

to be downtown. There's something going

17:03

on at all hours of the day. Um, so we

17:07

look forward to seeing the sea of green

17:08

downtown. Um, it's great to get everyone

17:11

together.

17:13

Sound will be provided by Ross

17:15

Productions, and

17:19

um the most exciting part of the parade,

17:21

of course, is the street closures.

17:23

Everybody wants to know when they can

17:24

get downtown and park.

17:26

So, um of note, street closures will be

17:28

from about 9:00 a.m. until 4:00 p.m. on

17:31

March 21st. Uh it's early due to the

17:33

Lucky Charm occurring just before the

17:35

race.

17:36

Uh the Market Street Bridge will close

17:38

at 11:00 a.m. until 4:00 p.m. So, um

17:42

anybody trying to enter for um runners

17:45

or race

17:46

parade participants will have to enter

17:48

um via the West Shore rather than

17:51

Harrisburg, since um streets will be

17:53

closed.

17:54

Um parking will be available at the

17:56

Market Square Garage at the corner of

17:58

Second and Chestnut with a special event

18:00

parking fee of $10.

18:03

Um all other information is available at

18:06

our website,

18:07

harrisburgstpatricksdayparade.com.

18:10

And we look forward to seeing everyone

18:11

downtown on Saturday.

18:15

>> Thank you very much.

18:16

>> Okay, any any questions for us?

18:19

>> I don't think so, but I will ask council

18:21

members, do you have any questions

18:23

regarding the upcoming Saint Patrick's

18:24

Day Parade?

18:26

>> Yes, President Hill, I have one

18:28

question.

18:28

>> Okay.

18:29

>> Will there be activities in Strawberry

18:31

Square as well this year?

18:34

>> Um

18:35

I don't believe so.

18:38

>> Thank you.

18:40

>> Are there any other questions?

18:43

Okay, seeing and hearing none, thank you

18:44

very much for joining us.

18:45

>> Thank you. We appreciate it.

18:49

>> We will move forward with our meeting

18:51

agenda. Next, we have courtesy of the

18:54

floor, just a few housekeeping notes

18:56

before we begin. If you're interested in

18:59

offering public comment, please state

19:01

your name and your address for the

19:03

meeting record. If you don't feel

19:04

comfortable sharing your address, please

19:06

share the vicinity in which you live

19:08

within the city. You will have 4 minutes

19:11

to share your comments. Mr. Truesdale

19:13

has added a timer to the screen for your

19:16

reference. I will begin to my right. Is

19:18

there anyone that would like to offer

19:20

public comment?

19:28

Is there anyone to my right that would

19:30

like to offer public comment?

19:34

Okay. Seeing and hearing no one.

19:37

Anyone in the middle section?

19:43

Is there somebody Is there anyone to my

19:46

right? We'll go back.

19:48

That would like to offer public comment.

19:51

If so, please kindly come to the

19:52

microphone and state your name and your

19:55

address for the meeting record. If you

19:57

don't feel comfortable sharing your

19:59

address, please share the vicinity in

20:00

which you live. Thank you.

20:03

>> First of all, I've been here before. My

20:04

name is Pete White. I've made myself

20:06

visible before.

20:07

I'm here today, basically, because I'm

20:10

totally disenfranchised with some of the

20:12

conduct of certain

20:14

council members.

20:16

We have a scenario here where we're

20:18

trying to organize and set up a

20:21

collection a collective activity for

20:23

leveling the economic playing field,

20:25

which I mentioned to you before the city

20:27

council was told to be missed.

20:29

Yet, I'm hearing in the streets from

20:32

other individuals, being a contractor,

20:34

that they've been discouraged by

20:37

a council person that was going on here

20:40

is irrelevant.

20:42

I find that heinous. I find that less to

20:45

conducive

20:48

of the encouragement and the transitions

20:50

of Harrisburg.

20:51

We have a female council member who's

20:54

officially made the news

20:57

for some very frivolous,

20:59

vindictive-sounding

21:02

clandestine arrangements of legality.

21:05

I think that's an embarrassment for

21:06

basically what your function should be

21:08

here.

21:09

Description of the job

21:12

indicates that there's an abject failure

21:14

of recognition of what City Council is

21:17

about.

21:20

You have to be aware of the fact that

21:22

you are supposed to be a vanguard for

21:25

this city, not a disruptor, not an

21:28

underminer,

21:29

but rather with all the issues we have

21:32

out here to address,

21:34

is more than enough time for real mental

21:36

capabilities to get into it. It makes me

21:39

question the competency of some of the

21:41

members here of the City Council to even

21:44

be on this job. Because as far as I'm

21:46

concerned, as far as the job description

21:48

goes, you've abjectly

21:51

made some failures.

21:54

I'm going to leave you with that thought

21:56

because

21:57

signature of a thousand people got you

22:00

on the ballot.

22:03

Another thousand

22:05

can remediate that.

22:09

Have a nice night.

22:11

>> Thank you. Is there anyone else to my

22:14

right that would like to offer public

22:16

comment? I don't want to miss anyone.

22:28

>> Hello everyone. Martin Gross with the

22:31

Art I Do Painting Company.

22:34

What I'd like to know,

22:35

by show of hands, who fear success?

22:42

I'm glad the council do not put their

22:43

hand up. You know why?

22:46

Because to achieve in Harrisburg,

22:49

you got to let the skin color represent

22:52

itself.

22:54

Right? Nobody's begging.

22:57

Nobody's pleading.

23:00

Years ago, they put something on our

23:02

backs

23:03

called us slaves.

23:08

So, can we render this?

23:10

An ability to let someone take control

23:14

without your arguing about it. Don't

23:16

argue.

23:18

Let the failure be in the hand of the

23:20

person who's willing to do it.

23:22

So, we look at

23:24

>> our mayor

23:26

>> We look at

23:28

Dana.

23:29

She wants to achieve something for y'all

23:31

to make y'all

23:33

Some people say, "Wow, Harrisburg.

23:37

They have achieved something

23:40

that a lot of Washington, D.C. is where

23:43

I'm from.

23:45

I have seen a lot of cruelty. I'm 71

23:49

years old.

23:51

A bullet in the head of every man that

23:54

spoke proud.

23:58

The dragging of a person in the street

24:02

because they only wanted to do

24:04

make a dollar to feed their family.

24:08

So, I'm asking y'all,

24:10

could you achieve something for us?

24:13

Cuz it's going to make y'all look good.

24:16

If you use one person

24:20

that should let you achieve something.

24:22

That's your mayor, Dana, and her

24:26

entourage of men

24:28

or contractors or women, too.

24:30

They want to achieve something.

24:33

But it's going to make y'all look good.

24:36

They're going to say, "Wow, that That's

24:38

not normal."

24:41

For the judge majority of people on the

24:44

council,

24:47

you are colored.

24:49

Very pretty skinned.

24:54

How about achieving something

24:58

that's not normal.

25:01

All the people around they got many

25:03

complaints.

25:05

They going to talk about what toilet to

25:07

flush

25:08

and what bacteria is to come out of them

25:11

bodies.

25:13

Don't make it a criminal. Don't make it

25:15

a charge.

25:16

Try yourself

25:19

to make one person achieve something

25:22

for y'all. It's going to make y'all look

25:24

good. Once it comes out, guess what?

25:27

They going to say y'all have done

25:29

something that have achieved.

25:32

I'm quite sure you have many paperworks

25:34

in front of you.

25:36

You know what's going on in Harrisburg.

25:41

The murders, the thievery, the lack of

25:45

ability to achieve.

25:48

They need y'all

25:50

to help them.

25:52

Period.

25:54

Thank you for hearing me.

25:56

>> Excuse me, Mr. Gross. I don't know if

25:58

you stated your address. I know you

26:00

stated your business.

26:02

>> Well, I'm from Washington, D.C.

26:04

>> Yes, I got that.

26:05

>> Okay. But, if I state my address, then I

26:08

almost feel like a slave. You know why?

26:10

>> Well, we need something to add to the

26:13

meeting record. So, you either need to

26:14

share your address or the vicinity in

26:16

which you live, one or the other.

26:18

>> Okay.

26:19

>> I live on the hill above the Reservoir

26:21

Park.

26:21

>> All right.

26:22

>> 2004 North Street.

26:24

>> Okay.

26:25

>> I'd love for y'all to come and have some

26:27

curry chicken and fried fish with me.

26:29

>> Oh, no, thank you, but thank you for

26:31

your address.

26:32

>> said no, thank you, but not everybody

26:34

else.

26:34

>> Okay.

26:34

>> No, thank you.

26:35

>> Is there anyone else? Is there anyone

26:38

else to my right that would like to

26:39

offer a public comment?

26:43

>> Good evening.

26:44

My name is Trish Robinson and I don't

26:47

live in the city, but I have a business

26:50

in the city. So, uh I want to bring some

26:52

positivity here. So, I want to thank

26:55

first of all thank city council for your

26:57

supporting evolve youth trades Academy.

27:00

Um the second thing I want to ask is

27:03

that

27:04

our students right now are working at

27:08

the old Polyclinic Hospital. They're

27:10

doing some renovation along with ECI and

27:13

another small contractor. What they have

27:17

asked me is for and city council any

27:21

city council member as well as the

27:23

Harrisburg school district as well as

27:25

some of the other schools Steelton

27:26

Highspire and Commonwealth Commonwealth

27:29

Charter Academy to be a part of a

27:32

to come out to see what the students are

27:34

doing and possibly take a picture with

27:36

them. So, I just wanted to make that

27:38

public. So, if anyone is interested,

27:41

please reach out to me and let me know

27:43

if you're interested in doing that.

27:45

That's it. Thank you.

27:46

>> Thank you. Is there anyone else to my

27:48

right that would like to offer public

27:51

comment?

27:53

Anyone else to my right?

27:57

Okay, seeing hearing no one anyone in

27:59

the middle section, please.

28:08

>> Good evening city council. My name is

28:10

Wendy Shaver. I'm the co-director of

28:13

Power to the Hill. We're located at 124

28:15

South 13th Street in the heart of

28:17

Allison Hill.

28:19

We are a voter engagement group working

28:21

to improve voter turnout in the Allison

28:24

Hill area as well as facilitate

28:27

community action projects to connect the

28:30

importance of voting with positive

28:32

community action.

28:33

We are currently as I have shared here

28:36

before working on a community action

28:38

project that the neighborhood voted on

28:41

to increase

28:42

youth programming in the neighborhood.

28:44

Since the last meeting where I had

28:47

spoken and said we wanted to meet with

28:49

the director of Parks and Rec, Mr. Kevin

28:51

Sanders, and my co-director and I, Ms.

28:53

Lita Beam, had that meeting and he had

28:55

all of the staff of the Parks and Rec

28:57

there, so thank you for that. And

28:59

Councilman Rodriguez came to our kickoff

29:01

meeting and shared the great work that

29:03

he is doing with youth programming and

29:05

gave us some inspiration, so thank you

29:07

for that. We learned about the summer

29:09

playground programs that are happening

29:11

at two parks in the Hill at Vernon

29:12

Street Park and Reservoir Park, which

29:15

are both wonderful programs, and the

29:17

people at Parks and Rec are doing a good

29:20

good program there.

29:22

This is Emily DeFebo, another volunteer

29:24

of Power to the Hill, and she was a part

29:26

of the discussion group, specifically

29:29

talking to community members about their

29:31

wants and needs for youth programming in

29:32

the Hill, so I want her to share a

29:35

little bit more about what the people of

29:36

the Hill would like to see to make their

29:38

lives better for their children beyond

29:40

the summer

29:42

programs at the parks.

29:44

>> Thank you, Wendy. Again, I'm Emily

29:46

DeFebo. I actually live in Hershey, uh

29:48

but I do volunteer with Power to the

29:50

Hill, so I'm down in Allison Hill pretty

29:52

frequently.

29:53

Um with our volunteer group, we

29:55

literally knock on doors up and down the

29:57

streets in Allison Hill, and I've gotten

29:59

to know the beautiful children of the

30:01

Allison Hill neighborhood. Just the

30:04

sweetest group of kids you could ever

30:05

want to meet. Um getting to know them,

30:08

getting to know their parents, uh we

30:10

have discovered that the parents are in

30:13

a position that doesn't surprise anyone

30:15

with their employment. They are they

30:19

have to choose between

30:21

transporting themselves to work or being

30:23

home with their children. And this isn't

30:26

a situation that anyone wants to be in.

30:28

So, we know that at Scott School, there

30:30

is currently not a good solid

30:33

after-school care program for the

30:35

parents of the children in the

30:37

neighborhood that attend that school.

30:39

So, we would like to do everything in

30:40

our power with your collaboration to

30:42

provide a safe educational

30:46

place for these children to be while

30:47

their parents are at work. I recognize

30:51

almost every face up here. You guys have

30:53

come down, rolled up your sleeves,

30:54

knocked on doors, chatted with neighbors

30:57

a light along with us. So, I know that

30:58

you've spoken to the same mothers,

31:01

fathers, children, and child care

31:03

workers that I had the opportunity to

31:05

speak with and I know that all of your

31:07

hearts agree with this mission. So, we

31:09

just wanted to keep our name and our

31:12

faces in front of you so that once we

31:14

have things more finalized, everyone

31:15

knows everyone and we can um make this

31:18

program for the adorable kids that we

31:21

have in Allison Hill.

31:23

Thank you.

31:24

>> Thank you.

31:27

Is there anyone else in the middle

31:29

section that would like to offer public

31:31

comment?

31:40

>> Hello, everybody.

31:42

My name is Arthur Jefferson. I own South

31:45

Central PA Restoration and I'm the

31:48

founder of Big Us Work Based Training, a

31:50

nonprofit organization.

31:53

Uh I live at 1952 Manada Street,

31:56

Harrisburg,

31:57

17104.

32:00

And my purpose of being up here is to

32:02

speak on the positions of Dina and Ms.

32:06

Gloria Martin Roberts. I want to say

32:08

that um even though they serve two

32:10

different positions,

32:12

I kind of feel like they're the same

32:13

with bringing

32:15

uh

32:16

us contractors

32:18

from Harrisburg

32:20

up, helping us get better positions. I

32:22

know Ms. Gloria Martin Roberts, she

32:24

stood on the line for me a couple times

32:26

when I

32:27

was trying to join a program and working

32:29

within the program and messed up a few

32:32

times and she brought it to my attention

32:34

as well as help me get better. So, I

32:37

want to say that not only do they um

32:41

help me, but they help us as a unit

32:43

because there's not too many people that

32:46

can represent the city of Harrisburg,

32:48

the contractors within the city of

32:50

Harrisburg, and try to put us in

32:52

positions to where we can get better

32:54

employment um to feed our families. So,

32:57

I just wanted to put that out there, and

32:58

I thank you guys for your time.

33:01

>> Thank you.

33:03

Is there anyone else in the middle

33:04

section that would like to offer public

33:06

comment?

33:09

>> How you doing, city council? My name is

33:10

Robert Welden. Y'all know me, 1210

33:12

Market Street.

33:14

Um

33:15

it is very difficult because now they

33:17

are trying to come in and wrap it. Now,

33:19

wrapping is only temporary. Now, I'm

33:21

going to say this once again. When they

33:23

go and wrap it, all they're going to do

33:24

is just wrap it and leave it.

33:26

So, HPMG, Harrisburg Property Management

33:28

Group, is not going to do anything of

33:30

remediation.

33:32

So, now

33:33

what they're going to incur is basically

33:35

black mold

33:37

an incubator.

33:39

That is going to have the whole entire

33:40

building

33:42

get condemned.

33:44

Now, I'm going to say this to your legal

33:45

guy.

33:48

I read the same law books you do.

33:52

Okay? I read it a fifth-year college

33:54

level. I read that at sixth grade.

33:57

So, don't sit there and ever tell me

33:58

that what I have cannot be filed in

34:01

under criminal.

34:02

I am trying to pursue manslaughter

34:04

charges for me and my fiance

34:07

who died in 2013 because

34:10

of City Limits Realty.

34:13

I know the difference between civil and

34:14

criminal, and what I am pursuing is

34:16

criminal. Don't ever sit there and tell

34:18

me like you did on Thursday what you

34:20

told me. That's a lie.

34:22

Thank you.

34:26

>> Thank you. Is there anyone else in the

34:28

middle section that would like to offer

34:29

public comment?

34:31

>> Can I add something?

34:33

And one more thing, you told me this.

34:37

It is not the choice of a codes officer

34:39

to make that choice of him whether or

34:41

not to report asbestos or not. He is

34:44

bound by federal code to report

34:46

asbestos. You told me it was his choice.

34:51

>> Thank you.

34:53

Anyone else?

34:54

>> Good evening, city council. Kia Fowler,

34:56

North 5th Street.

34:58

Um and I read for resolution

35:01

set

35:02

19, sorry, resolution 19 um appointing

35:05

Ms. Katherine O'Flaherty to serve on the

35:07

Harrisburg Architectural Review Board of

35:09

the City of Harrisburg. My understanding

35:11

is that individuals nominated to this

35:13

board of the four non-real estate,

35:15

non-architects, they must have both a

35:18

knowledge of historical preservation and

35:20

interest in historical preservation and

35:21

must live within a historical purview of

35:23

the city or historical overview

35:24

neighborhood.

35:26

That Oh, pardon me, that specific

35:27

neighborhood. Um after um reviewing Ms.

35:30

Flaherty's resume, I see only a

35:32

financial background, no background in

35:34

um history or architecture, art history.

35:37

Um I fully believe that she's very

35:39

passionate about the preserving the

35:40

character of the neighborhood, but I

35:42

would just like to know how her

35:43

qualifications fit within knowledge of

35:45

historical preservation.

35:47

Um second, um for those I'm sure a lot

35:49

of us are aware of the civil litigation

35:52

that was filed on Friday. Um

35:55

I don't like to really discuss this

35:56

right now because the law will be what

35:58

the law will be. That being said, the

36:00

way it's being portrayed in the news, I

36:02

am disappointed in the mayor in Mayor

36:04

Williams for some of the comments that

36:06

she's made. Um whether it was intended

36:08

or not, whether she or her office

36:10

drafted the statement to say that she

36:12

believed that keeping the interim head

36:13

of department was a grandfather policy,

36:16

at least to me portrays kind of

36:17

backhanded um a backhanded move. I'm not

36:20

saying it was intentional, but I'm just

36:22

saying that that's how it was come

36:23

across to me a resident living here.

36:25

Um

36:26

not a whole lot of contentious things

36:27

going on tonight, so thank you for your

36:29

time.

36:31

>> Thank you.

36:32

Is there anyone else in the middle

36:34

section that would like to offer public

36:35

comment?

36:37

>> Good evening, Steven Gristle. I live on

36:39

Boas Street. I have been

36:42

born in the Harrisburg Hospital, raised

36:44

in the city, living here for decades.

36:47

And it's concerning a resolution

36:51

that you had passed two Tuesdays ago,

36:54

unanimously.

36:55

And that is that the

36:57

city

36:59

uh will not

37:01

work, that is along with the

37:05

Immigration and Customs Enforcement

37:07

officers

37:09

concerning illegal immigrants.

37:12

First of all, let me say this.

37:15

And being an inner-city minister for a

37:17

number of years,

37:19

and over to Holmes, a young black man

37:21

was shot.

37:23

I stopped my car and pulled to the side

37:25

of the road.

37:27

He was shot three times in the back.

37:30

As a minister, I knew enough to pray for

37:32

him. I told him to call on Jesus, cuz I

37:34

knew he didn't have long to live.

37:37

And sadly, he did not live.

37:40

So, I have ministered to people. They

37:42

call me they called me the white man

37:44

with the brown heart.

37:46

Hall Manor, over to Holmes,

37:49

I went to places that most people would

37:52

not go.

37:53

Latinos,

37:55

all of them, ministering to them.

37:59

The city of Harrisburg, it has had a lot

38:01

of crime over the years, as we know.

38:03

Thankfully, it's going down.

38:05

But,

38:07

there was between 10 to 15 million

38:12

illegal, unvetted immigrants that came

38:15

across our borders.

38:16

Are you aware that 1 and 1/2 million of

38:19

them

38:20

are being absolutely officially

38:23

documented to be deported by judges.

38:27

They're roaming all throughout America.

38:30

If you think for a moment there's no

38:33

criminals in this city that crossed the

38:35

border, you're fooling nobody but

38:37

yourself.

38:38

You want to keep the city safe?

38:42

Then you need to work with them to get

38:44

these We're talking people that are

38:46

rapist,

38:47

pedophiles,

38:48

human trafficking.

38:51

And I

38:51

I could go on.

38:53

I could go on and on and on.

38:56

But if you truly want to keep And not to

38:59

mention the burden that it puts on city

39:01

taxpayers. How would you feel

39:03

if you got a bill in the mail

39:05

and you found out that you're paying

39:06

your neighbor's

39:08

electrical bill? You say, "There's a

39:10

mistake here."

39:12

Well, that's what we're doing. We're

39:13

paying somebody else's bill on our

39:15

backs.

39:16

I had a bill Excuse me, I got the floor.

39:19

Thank you.

39:21

Thank you.

39:23

So, I got I got the floor. Thank you.

39:26

So, the point is there is a burden put

39:29

on the legal citizens.

39:32

I've been paying taxes over 50 years.

39:35

And so, but there's a lot that do not.

39:37

Thank you. Stop interrupting. Excuse me,

39:39

please refrain and allow him to conclude

39:42

his comments. He has less than a minute

39:44

to go. I know and I may take back some

39:46

time from being interrupted. Thank you.

39:50

>> So, the point of it is is that there are

39:54

We We've seen it. We've had five four

39:56

Amish men slaughtered on a highway in

39:58

Pennsylvania by an illegal

40:01

immigrant. The guy that should have

40:03

never had a license.

40:05

How many more

40:07

people

40:08

have to die

40:10

here in Pennsylvania, in this city of

40:12

Harrisburg till we wake up

40:16

and work with those that want to get rid

40:18

of the criminals. You know what?

40:19

Everybody, it's interesting that nobody

40:21

wants to really get involved with that

40:23

until you find out, "Oh,

40:25

my son,

40:26

my daughter was molested by an illegal

40:29

immigrant." Then all of a sudden you get

40:30

involved. Why is it that it would be

40:33

only your own family and not others?

40:37

And that's been proven.

40:38

That's been proven.

40:40

>> Thank you for your comments. Your time

40:42

is up.

40:42

>> Thank you.

40:43

>> Is there anyone else in the middle

40:44

section who would like to offer public

40:47

comment?

40:57

>> Good evening. My name is Melanie Cook. I

41:00

live in the 3000 block of North 3rd

41:02

Street in the city of Harrisburg. First,

41:04

I would like to acknowledge the law

41:06

enforcement officers that are here in

41:08

the room. Both President and the Vice

41:11

President of City Council know I reached

41:13

out earlier this week to request some

41:15

type of security for city council

41:18

meetings. And given what has occurred in

41:21

the city of New York and in other

41:23

places, I think it is imperative that we

41:26

have protection at all times at these

41:29

events. So, I do want to acknowledge and

41:31

thank those who have uh arranged for the

41:34

Harrisburg police officers to be

41:36

present. Also, I want to note for the

41:38

record that no one's heart is black,

41:41

white, green, brown, or purple. Our

41:43

hearts are all the same. It is how we

41:46

approach humans that we come in contact

41:48

with. And if you were raped, murdered by

41:51

someone who was born in the United

41:53

States, you were no less victimized or

41:56

dead. The city of Harrisburg, you have

41:59

led by

42:01

example and with true leadership. You

42:04

have been elected to put forward the

42:07

wishes of those people who reside in the

42:09

city of Harrisburg. We are a population

42:12

of black and brown people, some of whom

42:15

are here in an undocumented status. But

42:17

those of us who live and work and have

42:20

friendships with people of all different

42:22

backgrounds know how hard people work to

42:25

be here, to get here, and to stay here.

42:28

As I have said before, in 1980 when I

42:31

was in college, I served on a

42:34

on a congressional committee in

42:36

Washington, D.C. for immigration and

42:39

refugee policy. This country has not

42:42

moved forward 2 in

42:44

to make it easier for people to legally

42:47

come into this country and we should be

42:49

doing that and we begin locally to see

42:53

that that takes place. I also want to

42:55

note for the record that there are 1,372

43:00

properties that are fully tax exempt in

43:02

the city of Harrisburg. That is a total

43:05

of 1 billion 557

43:09

million 552,730

43:14

total exempt excess value dollars. When

43:18

people talk about the city of

43:19

Harrisburg, our government and our

43:22

school district being unable to meet our

43:24

needs, 1 billion 557

43:28

million dollars worth of property is

43:31

totally tax exempt.

43:34

Let that figure sink in.

43:37

So those who want to say, and it is

43:39

true, it is an absolute crime that only

43:42

12% of the students theoretically tested

43:45

in the city of Harrisburg are proficient

43:47

in reading, 3% proficient in science,

43:51

and 2% proficient in math, but yet we

43:54

are still graduating 62% of the

43:57

students. So please make that math make

43:59

sense.

44:01

We have to work as a city,

44:04

as a city government and as a school

44:07

district.

44:09

Apparently,

44:10

both the city and the school district

44:13

will not be let out of

44:16

government federal or I'm sorry, state

44:18

oversight until both are on some even

44:21

keel. We need to say to our governor,

44:24

you walk the streets on behalf of

44:27

businesses in a corridor in downtown.

44:31

How many of our schools have you entered

44:33

into? When Bernie Sanders was here, he

44:36

made a point of stopping and speaking

44:39

with a group of Harrisburg City School

44:41

students. How many have been invited to

44:43

the governor's office to talk to him?

44:47

It is not enough for people to criticize

44:50

this city when state government

44:53

frequently is standing on our throats

44:56

and preventing us from moving forward.

44:58

So, I say to you who are lobbying to do

45:01

the right thing, thank you.

45:08

>> Thank you. Is there anyone else in the

45:10

middle section that would like to offer

45:12

public comment?

45:14

Okay, seeing and hearing no one, anyone

45:16

to my left?

45:19

>> Good evening, city council. My name is

45:21

Tameka Moore. I live in Allison Hill

45:23

area of Harrisburg.

45:26

I come again before you to express

45:29

um

45:30

the situation that happened to me

45:32

several um years ago in reference to

45:35

Gloria Martin Roberts um grabbing me,

45:38

physically assaulting me while on the

45:39

job. I worked under her um for a little

45:43

bit of time. It was about 3 months. Um

45:45

she caused a very hostile work

45:47

environment. We really didn't get too

45:49

much work done. A lot of talking, a lot

45:51

of eating, a lot of going out on city

45:53

time and shopping and doing things. So,

45:57

I wore my shirt on purpose. No. City

46:00

Council, I beg you. Do not vote her back

46:03

into that position. Thank you.

46:08

>> Thank you.

46:09

Is there anyone else to my left that

46:12

would like to offer public comment?

46:23

>> Good evening, um, council members.

46:25

Robert Williams.

46:26

1630 North 5th Street, Harrisburg, PA.

46:30

I don't know if these people that spoke

46:32

in the mayor's favor is on her payroll

46:34

or not, but they're

46:35

not educated. The mayor has been in

46:38

office for over 4 years, got $47 million

46:41

in ARPA funds, $13 million for the

46:45

playground that hasn't been done, had

46:47

numerous extensions for this playground.

46:50

This thing the last extension is up this

46:53

March. This was extension since the

46:56

2023.

46:57

She had this $47 million the whole time

47:00

she's been in office.

47:02

$8 million affordable housing fund

47:04

didn't come about until August of 2025.

47:07

She had that money when she stepped foot

47:09

in office. I met with City Council in

47:11

2023. I made my own affordable housing

47:14

plan, my own economic development plan,

47:17

a civilianization plan for the

47:19

30-something officers that were short,

47:22

but we have officers here today even

47:24

though we're short of officers. I've

47:26

done a lot for free.

47:28

For free.

47:30

And this $8 million affordable housing

47:33

plan that it took 4 years to come up

47:35

with,

47:36

is not unlawful.

47:37

Her own NOFO, which is notice of

47:40

opportunity of funding, notice

47:43

notice of funding opportunity, is

47:45

unlawful. She said she would have three

47:47

people on the committee. It was only

47:48

two, so it's unlawful. How can three

47:51

people score something independently

47:54

when one person is a tie to the ICA,

47:56

Duck Hill. It's not independent. It's

48:00

unlawful and unethical. And the mayor

48:03

has a problem with following the laws.

48:05

Didn't follow the citizens complaint

48:07

ordinance, which many people I've

48:09

brought in here that that ordinance has

48:11

been violated. Didn't follow the title

48:14

two ordinance with Gloria Martin

48:16

Roberts. 120 days. No, you try to skate

48:19

around the law. She wants her in there

48:21

for a reason. She didn't bring you in

48:23

She didn't bring her in front of you for

48:24

a reason. For a reason. She didn't want

48:28

Cleac for a reason. The reason is she

48:31

doesn't want people in office that's

48:32

going to be accountable. When someone

48:34

holds her accountable, they get fired.

48:36

Nate Spriggs, fired. Jonathan, fired.

48:39

Anyone that holds her accountable,

48:40

they're fired.

48:45

Four years she was in office, no major

48:48

problems have been solved. Governor's

48:49

Square, still an issue. Broad Street

48:51

Market, still an issue. Every major

48:53

thing that has been an issue was still

48:55

an issue. Nothing has been solved. The

48:57

problem I have with you guys is that you

49:00

have been bending over to accommodate

49:02

her too much. She brought the She

49:04

brought in front of you the market the

49:06

Broad Street Market financing. You

49:08

should have voted against it. It was too

49:10

soon, too rushed, and it was too much

49:12

money. 48% of the reserve left went to

49:16

this and you rushed it in for a

49:18

resolution and money was reallocated

49:21

over a million dollars.

49:23

That was reallocated through a

49:24

resolution and the law said it has to be

49:26

done in an ordinance. This

49:28

This solicitor, I agree, does not know

49:30

the law. He's told me plenty of times

49:32

things that's not lawful.

49:36

Plenty things.

49:38

So, we'll be in court. Like I told

49:39

myself, I wasn't going to come in here

49:40

no more. I'll see y'all in court.

49:42

Because these already He has no problem

49:43

wasting court wasting the taxpayers'

49:46

money going to court for things that you

49:47

know that you can't win. Already wasted

49:50

our money for this first thing. That's

49:51

why we're here right now because these

49:54

things should have been solved with a

49:55

ordinance or with Grover saying file a

49:59

quo warranto with the AG or the district

50:02

attorney's office. We wouldn't have had

50:04

to spend money for this. That would have

50:05

been county that would have solved this.

50:08

We're here after spending money. We're

50:10

still here the same place for the same

50:12

woman has been in office for almost 2

50:14

years past the time she has allowed

50:17

under the law. Please do not allow this

50:20

administration to keep breaking a dag on

50:22

law. Thanks for allowing me to share.

50:31

>> Is there anyone else to my left that

50:34

would like to offer public comment?

50:45

>> Good evening, Council. Carrie Fowler. I

50:47

live in Midtown.

50:48

I'm here tonight to urge you to vote no

50:50

on the appointment of Gloria

50:51

Martin-Roberts as director of building

50:53

and housing development.

50:55

This department oversees housing

50:57

programs, federal HUD compliance,

50:59

development projects, and millions of

51:02

dollars in public funding meant to

51:03

support Harrisburg residents and

51:05

strengthen our neighborhoods.

51:07

This role requires deep knowledge of

51:10

housing policy,

51:12

federal programs, and economic

51:14

development strategy.

51:16

Ms. Martin-Roberts' professional

51:18

background is primarily in healthcare

51:21

administration,

51:23

not housing policy, HUD programs, or

51:26

municipal economic development. These

51:28

are specialized areas that require

51:31

experience and expertise to manage

51:34

effectively.

51:35

Even more troubling is the fact that

51:37

approximately 5 million in COVID

51:39

recovery funding has remained remained

51:42

tied up in the department for nearly 2

51:44

years.

51:45

These funds were meant to help residents

51:47

recover from the pandemic, support

51:49

housing initiatives, initiatives, and

51:51

stabilize neighborhoods. Instead, they

51:54

have remained stalled while community

51:56

organizations and residents wait for

51:59

resources that should already be working

52:01

in our neighborhoods.

52:03

The explanation we continue to hear from

52:06

this office is that these problems were

52:09

inherited.

52:11

At that point at this point that excuse

52:13

has run its course.

52:14

Leadership is not about explaining

52:16

problems, it's solving them.

52:19

There have been also widely reported

52:21

concerns, which we also heard tonight

52:23

from an individual who work within the

52:25

department that Ms. Martin-Roberts

52:27

spends more time tending to personal

52:30

matters than carrying out the

52:32

responsibilities of the office.

52:34

When these kinds of concerns are

52:36

consistently raised by agencies and

52:39

partners working with the city, they

52:42

should not be ignored.

52:44

And I would like to ask the council this

52:47

a direct question.

52:48

What are the qualifications that make

52:51

her the right person for this job?

52:54

What measurable results or

52:56

accomplishments can you point to that

52:59

demonstrate that she is prepared to lead

53:03

the department?

53:04

If there are facts that justify this

53:06

appointment, the public, the city of

53:09

Harrisburg, the residents, the taxpayers

53:13

deserve to hear them.

53:15

Let's also call this what it appears to

53:18

many residents, a political favor from

53:21

the mayor rather than a merit-based

53:23

appointment.

53:25

That perception alone undermines public

53:27

confidence in city government.

53:30

Harrisburg is facing serious housing and

53:32

development challenges. The city needs a

53:35

leader who understands HUD programs,

53:38

knows how to move funding efficiently,

53:41

and has the experience to deliver

53:43

results for the residents.

53:46

For the first time in a long time, this

53:49

council is legislating effectively and

53:53

showing real independence in its

53:55

decision-making.

53:57

Let's keep it that way.

54:00

Harrisburg residents are watching and

54:03

counting on you to continue making

54:05

decisions based on what is best for us,

54:09

the city, the taxpayers, the residents,

54:12

the voters, not political convenience.

54:16

For the sake of accountability and the

54:18

residents who depend on these programs,

54:21

I strongly urge you to vote no on this

54:24

appointment and reopen the search for a

54:27

qualified candidate. Thank you.

54:35

>> Thank you. Is there anyone else to my

54:37

left that would like to offer public

54:39

comment?

54:43

Okay, seeing and hearing Oh, okay. Go

54:45

ahead.

54:51

>> Hello everyone. My name is Joel Castro.

54:53

I'm by Market Street and 18th.

54:56

So,

54:57

um there's a lot of violence near where

54:58

I live.

55:00

Um

55:01

Yeah, like

55:02

a few months ago there was some guy with

55:03

like a submachine gun like shooting

55:05

outside of my window. I thought he was

55:06

shooting at the house, I couldn't tell.

55:07

But um they were shooting at each other.

55:09

Um

55:11

So,

55:12

yeah, there's um there's an issue with

55:13

dialogue. I think people don't know how

55:15

to de-escalate, people don't know how to

55:16

communicate, and as a result, that

55:18

spills over to the people, you know, who

55:20

are in the surrounding areas.

55:22

Um so basically, I'm a software

55:23

developer. Um

55:25

I want to offer what I created. It's a

55:28

website. Um if any of you are interested

55:30

in taking a look, it's onewmind.life.

55:33

It gets uh any group of people to

55:35

anonymously come to consensus.

55:37

So, yeah, please check that out. And

55:40

basically, one mind.life, o n e m i n

55:44

d.life.

55:46

So, basically, just

55:48

um

55:49

yeah, take a look at that and I don't

55:51

know.

55:53

If you're interested, let me know. Thank

55:54

you.

55:55

>> Thank you.

55:58

I'll ask again, is there anyone to my

56:00

left that would like to offer public

56:02

comment?

56:05

No one?

56:08

Is there anyone else in general

56:09

throughout the room that would like to

56:11

offer public comment?

56:23

>> Hello, city of Harrisburg. My name is

56:25

Malika.

56:27

Um I'm not giving my address. I live

56:29

downtown. I stay down here in this area.

56:33

And

56:35

my concern

56:37

is

56:39

all the corruption

56:42

here,

56:43

state,

56:45

federal,

56:46

Supreme Court,

56:48

FICO fraud,

56:50

human trafficking,

56:53

tunnels in the schools.

56:55

They are funded

56:57

by bonds and securities.

57:00

And

57:01

our children

57:03

uh

57:05

460,000

57:08

of our children in the United States of

57:10

America are missing

57:12

and have been exploited

57:15

from this land

57:17

international

57:18

and global.

57:20

I'm asking the city of Harrisburg to

57:22

help me promote uh human rights so it

57:26

can actually

57:28

be put to a stop with me.

57:30

Uh

57:32

and to deal with

57:34

the children and their safety in the

57:36

schools because there's tunnels

57:38

in every school in all 52 states.

57:43

And

57:44

it's supposed to stop with those who are

57:46

in power. So, I want to address

57:50

calling on the city of Harrisburg for

57:52

our children.

57:53

Uh and what is being done and do you

57:56

guys know about the

57:59

uh trafficking tunnels in our schools in

58:02

this state and every other state and why

58:06

is it human rights

58:08

uh being taught?

58:10

Um and why is the safety of our children

58:14

not being addressed? Um is it being

58:16

covered up?

58:17

Um there was a young lady that came

58:19

here. And she was raped in the school.

58:22

Nothing was done. The child was not

58:24

removed.

58:26

Um and they cried out to me because they

58:28

felt like

58:30

no one is like really fighting for them.

58:33

She yelled at the principal.

58:36

And

58:38

the school was shut down because these

58:39

children felt like

58:42

why is those who are in power not

58:44

addressing these things?

58:46

Me as a parent, me living on this planet

58:50

for 42 years knowing what I've lived and

58:53

seen and know our history, I'm not going

58:54

to get into that.

58:56

I'm standing up for the children and

58:58

calling on the city of Harrisburg

59:00

city, state, and federal

59:03

um on teaching human rights

59:06

and um dealing with officers cuz I'm

59:09

going to be coming here. I spoke to the

59:10

uh chief of police.

59:12

Um from here, I talked to the principals

59:15

at the schools on our children and want

59:19

to know why is people in power not

59:22

addressing these issues. And why is our

59:24

children

59:26

crying out to me at Casa feeling like

59:28

nobody is doing anything.

59:32

Um there's Epstein files

59:34

and them children are concerned um about

59:38

their future.

59:39

I'm stepping in because it's going to

59:41

stop with me and I don't want to go any

59:43

further, but I'm asking can I connect

59:46

with anybody in here? Can you go to

59:48

humanrights.com and can we get this talk

59:50

started here working state federal to

59:54

stop human trafficking and deal with the

59:57

safety of our children?

1:00:01

I'm not pointing fingers. I'm talking

1:00:02

about our children.

1:00:04

Um can I get with

1:00:06

can anybody go to humanrights.com

1:00:09

and can I

1:00:11

and this little girl start this here um

1:00:15

because you guys are in power. I'm not

1:00:16

pointing fingers because I don't know

1:00:18

what's going on. I'm just talking about

1:00:20

can we can I start here with you guys

1:00:23

that we can teach human rights and I'm

1:00:27

going to be also talking to the chief of

1:00:28

police about it because he uh said that

1:00:30

I can call him and just go from there

1:00:33

because I want to be a hero to the

1:00:35

children.

1:00:36

>> Do you mind waiting until after our

1:00:37

meeting to speak with our public safety

1:00:39

committee chair Councilwoman Green?

1:00:41

>> Okay. Thank you.

1:00:42

>> Thank you. Thank you guys.

1:00:45

>> Is there anyone else that would like to

1:00:46

offer public comment? I don't want to

1:00:48

miss anyone.

1:00:49

>> Yes.

1:00:50

My name is Kelly Summerford. I'm 1937

1:00:53

Market Street have no problem not

1:00:55

letting anybody know where I live and I

1:00:58

didn't come here today to say anything

1:01:01

to council. In fact, I haven't been here

1:01:03

since I sat up there.

1:01:05

And it's very important to me to express

1:01:09

something today because I heard a very

1:01:12

good friend of mine's character being

1:01:14

attacked. Now I don't think any of you

1:01:18

or

1:01:20

the administration

1:01:21

thinks any of that is positive.

1:01:24

Now, I've worked with Gloria Martin

1:01:27

Roberts, and she sat up there as well.

1:01:30

So, anything that that one individual

1:01:34

said,

1:01:36

"Hire somebody who knows how to do that

1:01:39

work." She sat up there, and if she's if

1:01:43

she wasn't qualified, then I am really

1:01:46

questioning this whole thing.

1:01:48

I seriously have a problem with

1:01:50

attacking people's character. I don't

1:01:52

come down here. I don't give any press

1:01:55

conferences, and I I could,

1:01:58

but I don't because I believe you guys

1:02:01

can handle your own business.

1:02:03

But that attacking

1:02:05

people

1:02:07

is not right.

1:02:09

All of the individuals in here

1:02:13

have a past.

1:02:15

Understand.

1:02:17

No one is perfect.

1:02:22

It is it is Well, I mean, bring it. I

1:02:25

don't care. That is not why I'm here. I

1:02:28

am here to give something positive. But

1:02:30

when I hear my friend being attacked,

1:02:32

her character?

1:02:36

Her character?

1:02:39

Her character?

1:02:41

>> Okay, you have 2 minutes and 10 seconds.

1:02:44

>> but again, you know, people are talking

1:02:47

from the audience. That means nothing to

1:02:48

me.

1:02:50

I know her to have good character. I

1:02:53

know her to do her job very well.

1:02:57

And all you have to do is research. And

1:02:59

you are right. She has a lot of

1:03:00

background in health, but she also had a

1:03:03

lot of background doing this.

1:03:07

It is important that we we treat people

1:03:10

respectful.

1:03:12

Treat people respectfully.

1:03:17

If you have something that's serious,

1:03:20

bring it out.

1:03:21

But, when you're attacking people's

1:03:22

character, that is not clear. And trust

1:03:25

me,

1:03:26

we will not

1:03:28

history will not be kind to none of

1:03:30

this.

1:03:32

I am a historian,

1:03:34

and I understand history. There are only

1:03:38

50 cities like this.

1:03:41

Okay?

1:03:42

48 on the mainland.

1:03:46

Let's not be the one

1:03:48

who tears down people just because you

1:03:51

don't like them.

1:03:52

Let's not be the one who says

1:03:56

people's character is bad cuz you don't

1:03:58

like them.

1:04:00

You all have a job.

1:04:01

Please do it, and I had that job. So,

1:04:04

it's I'm I'm not talking about something

1:04:07

I don't know about.

1:04:09

Please, just be respectful. Don't tear

1:04:12

anyone down.

1:04:18

>> Thank you.

1:04:19

Is there anyone else that would like to

1:04:21

offer public comment before we move on

1:04:24

with our meeting agenda?

1:04:26

Excuse me, you've already had an

1:04:27

opportunity to offer comments.

1:04:30

No, there were two other people that

1:04:32

were coming up that already

1:04:38

>> Good evening, honorable council. My name

1:04:40

is Ronald Chapel. I live on Brookwood

1:04:41

Street on the hill in Harrisburg.

1:04:44

And all I what want to do was ask a

1:04:46

question. Now, there's been many things

1:04:49

said, many accusations made against Ms.

1:04:52

Gloria Martin Roberts.

1:04:53

And before a subsequent vote is taken,

1:04:55

I'm just wondering, will she have the

1:04:57

opportunity to respond if she chooses

1:05:00

to?

1:05:02

>> There will be an opportunity

1:05:05

for her to respond to any questions that

1:05:07

council members have regarding her

1:05:09

appointment under resolution

1:05:13

17 of 2026.

1:05:16

>> speaking primarily of the accusations

1:05:17

made against her.

1:05:19

>> We will not be entertaining the

1:05:20

accusations. As I mentioned, we will, if

1:05:23

council members have questions related

1:05:25

to resolution 17 of 2026,

1:05:29

there will be an opportunity for Ms.

1:05:31

Martin Roberts to answer those

1:05:32

questions.

1:05:33

>> Thank you, ma'am.

1:05:34

>> Thank you.

1:05:37

>> Now what?

1:05:39

>> Do you have comments? Okay.

1:05:44

>> And

1:05:45

what?

1:05:49

>> I was waiting for the other gentleman

1:05:52

who would like to offer public comment

1:05:53

to come to the microphone, if you're

1:05:55

talking to me.

1:05:56

>> I am.

1:05:59

>> Please proceed with your comments.

1:06:01

>> Um my name is Lewis Butts. I'm start I

1:06:04

started a lobbying company in

1:06:05

Harrisburg. And

1:06:08

we really needed

1:06:10

to turn around and move away from a lot

1:06:12

of this

1:06:13

negative stuff because we're wasting a

1:06:15

lot of time.

1:06:17

We got to think it we're in our 250th

1:06:19

anniversary

1:06:21

of America. And

1:06:23

I don't see us preparing to

1:06:27

gather some economic development from

1:06:30

the time.

1:06:32

I mean, let's do something while we have

1:06:35

the time.

1:06:36

Else the time will it will pass us by.

1:06:41

Um I have a project for the State Street

1:06:43

Bridge

1:06:44

to where we can um

1:06:46

hang all of our

1:06:47

flags that we've earned

1:06:50

from Camp Curtin. We could tell the

1:06:51

story. And we won't lose the time.

1:06:54

It would give us some identity. It's our

1:06:56

history.

1:06:57

It would give us some some solid

1:07:00

identity

1:07:01

that we can teach our children so they

1:07:03

can learn about what we did for America.

1:07:06

This is a time that we can do this.

1:07:09

So, let's

1:07:10

keep some things in a pocket

1:07:12

in our pocket and keep it

1:07:14

isolated if it's negative and work on

1:07:17

something

1:07:18

that is timely. We got to clean up We

1:07:21

should clean up that State Street Bridge

1:07:23

along with the um

1:07:26

the Terrace. It looks horrible

1:07:28

along with the bridge. We have to

1:07:30

respect something so we can get some

1:07:32

economic benefit. Gettysburg has an

1:07:35

economic benefit from having their

1:07:38

history um presented. Let's just do

1:07:40

something that's smarter.

1:07:43

And it's about ourselves, focusing on

1:07:46

ourselves. We can really do some

1:07:47

reenactments, put everybody to work.

1:07:51

Let's keep the negative somewhere else.

1:07:53

Glory I don't mind Look, this is our

1:07:56

This is our This is our body.

1:07:59

Everybody's one body.

1:08:02

People make fun of me.

1:08:05

You feel me?

1:08:07

We got to take our hits.

1:08:10

They say I'm so grandiose with whatever,

1:08:12

but I'm really not.

1:08:14

Let's use what Let's use what we have.

1:08:17

The school board We can't even go to the

1:08:19

same school board meeting.

1:08:21

We have a very important school board

1:08:22

meeting right now that half of us should

1:08:25

be at.

1:08:26

But we can't be there. They're

1:08:28

separating us I They're isolating us.

1:08:31

They're Everybody that should be over

1:08:33

there is here.

1:08:35

We got to work this out and you know we

1:08:37

do.

1:08:38

So, let's

1:08:39

say, "Come on, we got to stagger one of

1:08:41

these meetings."

1:08:43

So, we can cuz our kids are important.

1:08:45

If our kids are important

1:08:48

and we're here, they need us there, too.

1:08:51

Okay? So, we just We got to think

1:08:54

There's got to be some easy solutions.

1:08:56

It's not hard. Stagger a meeting so this

1:08:59

body can be there so they're not

1:09:01

knocking down something that we already

1:09:02

have.

1:09:05

We're spending $5 million

1:09:07

to

1:09:08

to knock down something that we have.

1:09:11

So, we can have it zero again.

1:09:16

This is exhausting.

1:09:19

You feel what I'm saying? Let's let's

1:09:21

just stop it. It's got to stop

1:09:22

something. It's got to just got to stop.

1:09:25

Okay?

1:09:26

That's all I'm saying. It ain't about

1:09:28

me, either.

1:09:31

It's about getting our

1:09:33

some respect going on. And we got a

1:09:34

memorial bridge that's historical.

1:09:38

Let's

1:09:39

put Harrisburg at full address. Let's

1:09:41

work with Governor Shapiro and say we

1:09:44

have something that we can say is ours.

1:09:48

And I and I got seconds.

1:09:52

And I got seconds.

1:09:53

All right, y'all. Y'all be good. Just be

1:09:55

good.

1:09:57

>> Thank you.

1:09:59

We are going to move forward with our

1:10:01

meeting agenda. Next, we have the

1:10:03

approval of the minutes for the

1:10:05

legislative session that occurred on

1:10:07

February 24th, 2026.

1:10:10

Council members, are there any revisions

1:10:13

to those meeting minutes?

1:10:15

Okay, seeing and hearing none, the

1:10:16

minutes stand approved. Next, we will

1:10:19

begin reports of committees.

1:10:21

I will deliver the first report on

1:10:23

behalf of the administration committee

1:10:25

on the work session that occurred on

1:10:27

March 3rd, 2026.

1:10:31

On Tuesday, March 3rd, 2026, the

1:10:34

administration committee met to discuss

1:10:36

two bills and four resolutions.

1:10:39

Bill two of 2026,

1:10:42

an ordinance forgiving and discharging

1:10:44

2024

1:10:46

and 2025 city real estate taxes,

1:10:50

including interest, penalties, and

1:10:52

costs, and striking off tax liens for

1:10:55

certain historically tax-exempt

1:10:58

properties.

1:10:59

Bill 3 of 2026,

1:11:02

an ordinance amending chapter 2-301

1:11:06

of part 3 of the administrative code

1:11:09

regarding department heads appointment

1:11:12

and duties and acting heads to update

1:11:15

and clarify provisions regarding such

1:11:18

appointments. Resolution 12 of 2026,

1:11:23

a resolution authorizing the city of

1:11:25

Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into a

1:11:27

lease agreement with Lamar Advantage GP

1:11:31

Company LLC for the purpose of

1:11:33

maintaining an existing billboard on a

1:11:36

portion of city property located along

1:11:39

South Cameron Street north of the

1:11:41

intersection of Magnolia Street.

1:11:44

Resolution 13 of 2026,

1:11:47

a resolution authorizing the city of

1:11:49

Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into a

1:11:52

lease agreement with Lamar Advantage GP

1:11:55

Company LLC for the purpose of

1:11:58

maintaining an existing billboard on a

1:12:01

portion of city property located along

1:12:04

South Cameron Street south of the

1:12:06

intersection of Magnolia Street.

1:12:09

Resolution 14 of 2026,

1:12:12

a resolution authorizing the city of

1:12:15

Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into a

1:12:17

lease agreement with Lamar Advantage GP

1:12:20

Company LLC for the purpose of

1:12:23

maintaining an existing billboard on a

1:12:25

portion of city property located along

1:12:28

South Cameron Street near the

1:12:30

intersection of Elliott Street.

1:12:32

Resolution 15 of 2026, a resolution

1:12:36

ratifying and approving the 2026

1:12:40

through 2028

1:12:42

basic labor agreement between the city

1:12:44

of Harrisburg and local 521 American

1:12:48

Federation of State, County, and

1:12:50

Municipal employees' Council 13.

1:12:54

Bill two of 2026 was discussed first.

1:12:59

This is the fourth bill in the series of

1:13:01

tax exemption bills that we've been

1:13:03

taking action on. The bill addresses tax

1:13:07

exemption for churches. The two churches

1:13:10

who are seeking an exemption are Mount

1:13:12

Olive Baptist Church and formerly Agape

1:13:16

Ministries.

1:13:17

Council members asked the following

1:13:19

question. There was a tax year

1:13:21

clarification question. Um so it's for

1:13:24

2024 through 2025.

1:13:28

Um another question, how does this play

1:13:31

out moving forward?

1:13:33

Another question was a have all of the

1:13:36

churches responded? Um solicitor Neil

1:13:40

Grover noted that all churches that are

1:13:43

still functioning have responded. I

1:13:46

encourage my colleagues to support bill

1:13:48

two of 2026

1:13:50

to ensure that our churches receive

1:13:53

their appropriate tax exemption.

1:13:56

Bill three of 2026 was discussed second.

1:14:00

Solicitor Neil Grover discussed acting

1:14:02

department heads uh occurring on a

1:14:04

case-by-case basis. Council members had

1:14:07

no questions. I encourage my colleagues

1:14:10

to support bill three of 2026

1:14:14

to end the practice of interim directors

1:14:17

in this administration and all future

1:14:19

administrations.

1:14:21

Resolution 12 of 2026,

1:14:24

resolution 13 of 2026,

1:14:27

resolution 14 of 2026 and

1:14:31

were discussed, excuse me.

1:14:34

They discussed various lease agreements

1:14:36

with Lamar Advantage GP Company LLC for

1:14:40

the purpose of constructing and

1:14:42

maintaining billboards on a portion of

1:14:45

city property um, fronting Paxton

1:14:49

Street,

1:14:50

oh, located that's resolution 10, sorry.

1:14:53

Um, the intersections of Magnolia south

1:14:57

of Cameron Street, um, north of the sec

1:14:59

intersections of Magnolia Street and

1:15:02

Cameron Street near the intersection of

1:15:04

Elliott Street. Antonia Magna, special

1:15:07

assistant in the business

1:15:09

administrator's office was present to

1:15:11

answer questions. Um, he noted that some

1:15:14

of the signs are already built and that

1:15:17

a new agreement, uh, 15 years in length,

1:15:21

um, is the is the term.

1:15:23

I encourage my colleagues to support

1:15:25

resolution 12 of 2026, resolution 13 of

1:15:29

2026,

1:15:30

and resolution 14 of 2026 as these

1:15:33

billboards, uh, will provide

1:15:35

advertisement opportunities for the city

1:15:37

of Harrisburg and other local

1:15:40

Harrisburg-based businesses.

1:15:42

Resolution 15 of 2026,

1:15:45

Jack Dean, our label labor council,

1:15:48

participated in the work session via

1:15:51

Zoom. He highlighted the major,

1:15:54

uh, terms of the 2026 through 2028

1:15:58

proposed collective bargaining

1:16:00

agreement, um, including the following.

1:16:03

It is, uh,

1:16:04

the term is for 3 years, 2026 to 2028.

1:16:11

Um, there the holiday of Juneteenth was

1:16:14

added. Uh, it's our understanding that

1:16:16

employees were receiving, um, that

1:16:20

as a holiday off, um, but it is now

1:16:23

included, um, in their scheduling.

1:16:26

Article 15 discusses wages. Section 1 is

1:16:30

4% is retroactive to January 1st, 2026.

1:16:36

There's a $1,000 one-time, uh, bonus.

1:16:39

And then a 3% increase, uh, for the next

1:16:44

2 years.

1:16:45

Article 20 discusses medical and

1:16:47

hospital benefits, specifically section

1:16:50

4 subsection F discusses increased

1:16:54

reimbursement for Medicare supplement by

1:16:56

$10 per year to $370

1:17:00

by 2028.

1:17:03

Council members asked the following

1:17:05

clarifying questions.

1:17:07

Are there similar increases or similar

1:17:09

bonuses to last year's agreement?

1:17:13

Extra holiday bonuses,

1:17:16

as we noted, weren't in the contract.

1:17:19

But in

1:17:21

memorandums of understanding,

1:17:23

rate increases bonuses are less to

1:17:27

provide annual bonuses.

1:17:30

I encourage my colleagues to support

1:17:32

resolution 15 of 2026

1:17:35

as the negotiation has already occurred.

1:17:38

A favorable vote is the final step. This

1:17:41

concludes the report of the

1:17:43

administration committee. The next

1:17:45

committee report you will hear will be

1:17:47

delivered by our public works committee

1:17:49

chair, Councilman Rodriguez, on the work

1:17:52

session of March 3rd, 2026.

1:17:55

>> Thank you, Madam President. Good evening

1:17:57

to all in attendance. On Tuesday, March

1:17:59

3rd of 2026, the Public Works Committee

1:18:02

met to discuss one bill and two

1:18:03

resolutions. Bill 4 of 2026 is an

1:18:07

ordinance amending chapter 9-301

1:18:10

of title 9 of the Harrisburg City Code

1:18:12

regarding the municipal waste,

1:18:14

recycling, and composting to authorize

1:18:17

the identification and designation of

1:18:19

business establishments for the

1:18:20

placement of city designated litter

1:18:23

receptacles, i.e., hotspot cans, outside

1:18:26

public exits consistent with the

1:18:28

findings of Pennsylvania Litter Action

1:18:30

Plan 2021. Joining us to discuss was

1:18:34

Director West from the Harrisburg City

1:18:35

Public Works Department. Director West

1:18:37

expressed the need for a corner store

1:18:39

ordinance and how important it is to

1:18:41

replace the usage of the obsolete stone

1:18:43

cans and replace them with the new black

1:18:45

can orange lid substitutions.

1:18:48

This legislation ties directly into the

1:18:50

city's comprehensive plan and the PA

1:18:52

litter mitigation action plan for

1:18:54

cleaner and safer cities. Questions from

1:18:57

council were minimal, but the ones that

1:18:59

were asked were around the pickup

1:19:00

frequency of these cans and what would

1:19:02

be the penalty for those

1:19:03

non-cooperative.

1:19:05

Also up for discussion was resolution 10

1:19:07

of 2026 and resolution 11 of 2026.

1:19:11

Resolution 10 of 2026 is a resolution

1:19:14

authorizing the city of Harrisburg to

1:19:16

negotiate and enter in a lease agreement

1:19:18

with Lamar Advantage GP Company LLC for

1:19:21

the purpose of constructing and

1:19:22

maintaining a billboard on a portion of

1:19:25

city property fronting Paxton Street

1:19:27

located at 1812 Paxton Street. And

1:19:30

resolution 11 of 2026 was a resolution

1:19:33

authorizing the city of Harrisburg to

1:19:35

negotiate and enter in a lease agreement

1:19:38

with Lamar Advantage GP Company LLC for

1:19:41

the purpose of constructing and

1:19:42

maintaining a billboard on a portion of

1:19:44

city property fronting I-83 located at

1:19:48

1812 Paxton Street. Joining us was a

1:19:51

representative from Lamar Advantage GP

1:19:53

and Antonio Magna from the mayor's

1:19:54

cabinet to discuss the set of

1:19:56

resolutions. Questions from council were

1:19:58

minimal, but everyone was in agreement

1:20:00

that a lease agreement would earn the

1:20:02

city proceeds which would be beneficial

1:20:04

and productive to the economic

1:20:06

development of the city of Harrisburg.

1:20:08

Conversations were very productive and I

1:20:10

highly encourage my colleagues on

1:20:11

council to support this bill and both

1:20:13

resolutions on tonight's legislative

1:20:16

agenda. And that concludes the report

1:20:18

from the Public Works Committee work

1:20:19

session from March 3rd of 2026. Thank

1:20:22

you.

1:20:23

>> Thank you, Councilman Rodriguez. We do

1:20:25

not have any ordinances for first

1:20:27

reading. We will move to ordinances for

1:20:29

amendment. Our first ordinance for

1:20:32

amendment is bill two of 2026.

1:20:36

Mr. Truesdale, could you please read it

1:20:38

into the record?

1:20:40

>> Bill two, 2026, an ordinance forgiving

1:20:43

and discharging 2024 and 2025 city real

1:20:46

estate taxes including interest,

1:20:48

penalties, and costs and striking off

1:20:50

tax liens for certain historically tax

1:20:52

exempt properties.

1:20:55

>> Thank you.

1:20:57

Next, bill three of 2026.

1:21:00

Mr. Truesdale, could you please read it

1:21:02

into the record?

1:21:03

>> Bill three, 2026, an ordinance amending

1:21:06

chapter two {dash} 301 of part three of

1:21:09

the administrative code regarding

1:21:10

department heads appointment and duties

1:21:12

and acting heads to update and clarify

1:21:14

provisions regarding such appointments.

1:21:17

>> Thank you.

1:21:21

I move that the following language be

1:21:24

added to the end of subsection two

1:21:27

{dash} 301.5,

1:21:30

subsection C.

1:21:33

Except as set forth herein, the mayor is

1:21:36

prohibited from appointing an interim or

1:21:40

other temporary department head and the

1:21:43

controller shall be prohibited from

1:21:46

approving or issuing any compensation

1:21:50

associated with any such appointment.

1:21:54

Is there a second?

1:21:56

>> Second.

1:21:56

>> Thank you.

1:21:58

I will sus- entertain a motion to

1:22:00

suspend the rules for discussion.

1:22:02

>> So moved.

1:22:03

>> And there's a second. Okay, thank you.

1:22:05

Uh so, before us we have bill three of

1:22:08

2026.

1:22:09

There is uh an amendment on the floor.

1:22:13

Council members, are there any questions

1:22:16

regarding the amendment?

1:22:19

>> No, I have none.

1:22:21

>> Okay.

1:22:24

Seeing and hearing no questions,

1:22:27

Solicitor Grover or

1:22:39

>> Uh yes, Madam Chair.

1:22:41

>> I just wanted to know if you had any

1:22:42

commentary before resuming our

1:22:45

legislative session.

1:22:46

>> No.

1:22:47

>> Okay.

1:22:48

I will entertain a motion to resume the

1:22:50

legislative session.

1:22:51

>> Motion to resume the session.

1:22:53

>> Thank you. Is there a second?

1:22:54

>> Second.

1:22:54

>> Thank you. So, before us uh we have an

1:22:57

amendment. I will read the language

1:22:59

again.

1:23:00

Um

1:23:01

I I move that the following language be

1:23:03

added to the end of subsection 2-301.5

1:23:05

subsection

1:23:09

C. Except as set forth herein, the mayor

1:23:12

is prohibited from appointing an interim

1:23:15

or other temporary department head, and

1:23:18

the controller shall be prohibited from

1:23:21

approving or issuing any compensation

1:23:23

associated with any such appointment.

1:23:26

So, it was moved and second. Uh

1:23:28

council members, are there any

1:23:30

questions, comments, or concerns related

1:23:32

to the amendment on the floor?

1:23:35

Okay, seeing and hearing none, Mr.

1:23:36

Truesdale, could you please call the

1:23:37

vote?

1:23:38

>> Ms. Davis?

1:23:39

>> Yes.

1:23:40

>> Ms. Green?

1:23:41

>> Yes.

1:23:42

>> Mr. Jones?

1:23:43

>> Yay.

1:23:45

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:23:46

>> Yes.

1:23:47

>> Ms. Rose?

1:23:48

>> Yes.

1:23:49

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:23:50

>> Yes.

1:23:51

>> Ms. Hill?

1:23:52

>> Yes.

1:23:53

>> The amendment passes by vote of 7 to 0.

1:23:56

>> Thank you.

1:24:00

Next, we have Bill 4 of 2026.

1:24:04

Mr. Truesdale, could you please read it

1:24:05

into the record?

1:24:07

>> Bill 4, 2026, an ordinance amending

1:24:10

chapter 9-301

1:24:12

of title 9 of the city hit city Oh my

1:24:15

gosh. Of the Harrisburg city code

1:24:17

regarding the municipal waste recycling

1:24:19

and composting to authorize and to

1:24:22

authorize the identification and

1:24:23

description of business establishments

1:24:25

for the placement of city designated

1:24:27

litter receptacles, hot spot cans,

1:24:29

outside public exits consistent with the

1:24:31

findings of the Pennsylvania Litter

1:24:33

Action Plan.

1:24:35

>> Thank you.

1:24:36

Council members, are there any

1:24:39

amendments to this bill?

1:24:42

Okay, seeing and hearing none, we'll

1:24:43

move forward with ordinances for final

1:24:45

passage.

1:24:46

The first we have Bill 2 of 2026. Mr.

1:24:50

Truesdale, could you please read it into

1:24:52

the record one last time?

1:24:53

>> Yep.

1:24:54

Bill 2 2026, an ordinance forgiving and

1:24:57

discharging 2024 and 2025 city real

1:25:00

estate taxes including interest,

1:25:02

penalties, and costs and striking off

1:25:04

tax liens for certain historically tax

1:25:05

exempt properties.

1:25:07

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

1:25:09

any final questions, comments, or

1:25:11

concerns related to Bill 2 of 2026?

1:25:15

Okay.

1:25:16

>> I would just note that I will be

1:25:17

recusing myself due to my aunt being the

1:25:19

pastor at one of the churches.

1:25:21

>> Thank you.

1:25:22

Any other questions, comments, or

1:25:25

concerns?

1:25:26

Seeing and hearing none, Mr. Truesdale,

1:25:28

could you please call the vote?

1:25:30

>> Ms. Davis?

1:25:31

>> Yes.

1:25:33

>> Mr. Jones?

1:25:34

>> Yay.

1:25:35

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:25:37

>> Yes.

1:25:38

>> Ms. Rawls?

1:25:39

>> Yes.

1:25:40

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:25:41

>> Yes.

1:25:43

>> Ms. Hill?

1:25:44

>> Yes.

1:25:45

>> Bill 2 of 2026 passes by vote of 6 to 0.

1:25:49

>> Thank you. Next we have Bill 3 of 2026

1:25:54

as amended. Mr. Truesdale, could you

1:25:56

please read it into the record?

1:25:59

>> Bill 3 2026, an ordinance amending

1:26:02

chapter 2-301 of part 3 of the

1:26:04

administrative code regarding department

1:26:06

heads, appointment and duties, and

1:26:08

acting heads to update and clarify

1:26:10

provisions regarding such appointments.

1:26:12

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

1:26:14

any final questions, comments, or

1:26:16

concerns related to bill three of 2026?

1:26:21

Seeing and hearing none, Mr. Truesdale,

1:26:22

could you please call the vote?

1:26:24

>> Ms. Davis?

1:26:25

>> Yes.

1:26:26

>> Ms. Green?

1:26:27

>> Yes.

1:26:29

>> Mr. Jones?

1:26:30

>> Yay.

1:26:31

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:26:32

>> Yes.

1:26:33

>> Ms. Rolls?

1:26:34

>> Yes.

1:26:35

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:26:36

>> Yes.

1:26:37

>> Ms. Hill?

1:26:38

>> Yes.

1:26:39

>> Bill three 2026 passes as amended by

1:26:42

vote of seven to zero.

1:26:44

>> Thank you.

1:26:45

Next we have bill four of 2026. Mr.

1:26:48

Truesdale, could you please read it into

1:26:50

the record?

1:26:52

>> Bill four of 2026, an ordinance amending

1:26:55

chapter nine-301

1:26:57

of title nine of the Harrisburg city

1:26:58

code regarding the municipal waste,

1:27:00

recycling, and composting to authorize

1:27:02

the identification and designation of

1:27:05

business establishments for the

1:27:06

placement of city designated litter

1:27:08

receptacles, hot spot cans outside

1:27:10

public exits consistent with the

1:27:12

findings of the Pennsylvania litter

1:27:14

action plan.

1:27:15

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

1:27:16

any final questions, comments, or

1:27:18

concerns related to bill four of 2026?

1:27:22

>> I just have one comment.

1:27:23

>> Yes.

1:27:24

>> I just wanted to say thank you again to

1:27:26

Councilman Rodriguez for bringing this

1:27:28

bill forward. I know this is a joint

1:27:30

effort and

1:27:31

um we're doing this together also, but

1:27:33

he brought it forward to have uh make

1:27:36

sure receptacles were placed outside of

1:27:38

corner stores as a way to continue to

1:27:40

keep our city beautiful. So, I just

1:27:42

wanted to uh thank him again for uh bill

1:27:45

four of 2026.

1:27:47

>> Thank you. Are there any other comments?

1:27:50

>> Yes, Madam President. I just wanted to

1:27:52

thank everyone for the draft of the

1:27:54

bill, legal for helping it um come down

1:27:57

to the floor, the collaboration with

1:27:58

Madam Mayor's office, and everyone on

1:28:00

council. Long time coming, all of our

1:28:02

stewards of environmental freedom and

1:28:05

keeping the city of Harrisburg clean.

1:28:07

It's been a long time, so thank you and

1:28:09

your leadership and VP Jones and the

1:28:11

rest of council, and everyone that had a

1:28:13

hand on it. I know at the time when we

1:28:15

drafted it said

1:28:17

wasn't even in his role he is now. So,

1:28:19

it's been some time. So, I'm

1:28:20

appreciative to get this done for the

1:28:21

city and you know, I I I can't wait to

1:28:23

see it enacted. So, thank you everybody.

1:28:26

>> Thank you.

1:28:27

Yes, President Hill. Thank you.

1:28:30

Thank you Councilman Rodriguez for

1:28:32

bringing this forward. I am in favor of

1:28:35

this. I do have a question for Solicitor

1:28:37

Grover in reference to the city

1:28:41

lots, the blanket lots. Is there

1:28:43

anything out there to keep those lots

1:28:46

clean or were there any

1:28:49

>> Are Are you talking about vacant lots,

1:28:51

parks? What are you speaking of?

1:28:52

>> Vacant lots.

1:28:54

Um

1:28:55

>> So, that we have a um

1:28:57

>> Vacant lots that the city owns.

1:28:58

>> We have a lot administrator who

1:29:01

coordinates

1:29:03

the cleaning of those lots, the cutting

1:29:05

of the grass. We outsource the cutting

1:29:07

of the grass and the snow every year by

1:29:08

contract. There's so many of them.

1:29:10

Um and the the lot administrator

1:29:12

position is probably only 4 years old.

1:29:15

It's It There's been a lot of attempts

1:29:16

to trying to find a way to manage those

1:29:18

lots which are are fairly challenging

1:29:20

cuz they're spread out all over the

1:29:21

city.

1:29:22

Um and I think we're at 400 plus at this

1:29:24

point.

1:29:26

>> How can we get in touch with the lot

1:29:28

administrator? Just

1:29:30

>> Mr. West. He works for Mr. West.

1:29:36

>> Okay. Thank you.

1:29:39

Are there any other questions, comments,

1:29:41

or concerns related to Bill 4 of 2026?

1:29:46

Okay, seeing hearing none. Mr.

1:29:47

Truesdale, could you please call the

1:29:49

vote?

1:29:50

>> Ms. Davis?

1:29:51

>> Yes.

1:29:53

>> Ms. Green?

1:29:54

>> Yes.

1:29:55

>> Mr. Jones?

1:29:56

>> Yay.

1:29:58

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:29:59

>> Yes.

1:30:00

>> Ms. Rolls?

1:30:01

>> Yes.

1:30:03

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:30:04

>> Yes.

1:30:05

>> Ms. Hill?

1:30:06

>> Yes.

1:30:07

>> Bill 4 of 2026 passes by vote of 7-0.

1:30:10

>> Thank you. We will now move forward with

1:30:13

resolutions. The first resolution for

1:30:15

consideration this evening is resolution

1:30:18

10 of 2026.

1:30:20

Mr. Truesdale, could you please read it

1:30:22

into the record?

1:30:23

>> Resolution 10, 2026. A resolution

1:30:26

authorizing the city of Harrisburg to

1:30:27

negotiate and enter into a lease

1:30:29

agreement with Lamar Advantage GP

1:30:31

Company LLC for the purpose of

1:30:33

constructing and maintaining a billboard

1:30:35

on a portion of city property fronting

1:30:37

Paxton Street located at 1812 Paxton

1:30:40

Street.

1:30:40

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

1:30:42

any questions, comments, or concerns

1:30:45

related to resolution 10 of 2026?

1:30:48

Seeing and hearing none, Mr. Truesdale,

1:30:50

could you please call the vote?

1:30:52

>> Ms. Davis?

1:30:53

>> Yes.

1:30:54

>> Ms. Green?

1:30:56

>> Yes.

1:30:57

>> Mr. Jones?

1:30:58

>> Yay.

1:31:00

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:31:01

>> Yes.

1:31:02

>> Ms. Rose?

1:31:04

>> Yes.

1:31:05

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:31:06

>> Yes.

1:31:06

>> Ms. Hill?

1:31:07

>> Yes.

1:31:08

>> Resolution 10 of 2026 passes by vote of

1:31:11

7-0.

1:31:12

>> Thank you. Next, we have resolution 11

1:31:15

of 2026. Mr. Truesdale, could you please

1:31:17

read it into the record?

1:31:19

>> Resolution 11, 2026. A resolution

1:31:21

authorizing the city of Harrisburg to

1:31:23

negotiate and enter into a lease

1:31:24

agreement with Lamar Advantage GP

1:31:26

Company LLC for the purpose of

1:31:28

constructing and maintaining a billboard

1:31:30

on a portion of city property fronting

1:31:32

I-83 located at 1812 Paxton Street.

1:31:36

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

1:31:37

any questions, comments, or concerns

1:31:39

related to resolution 11 of 2026? Seeing

1:31:43

and hearing none, Mr. Truesdale, could

1:31:44

you please call the vote?

1:31:46

>> Ms. Davis?

1:31:46

>> Yes.

1:31:48

>> Ms. Green?

1:31:49

>> Yes.

1:31:50

>> Mr. Jones?

1:31:51

>> Yay.

1:31:52

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:31:53

>> Yes.

1:31:54

>> Ms. Rose?

1:31:55

>> Yes.

1:31:56

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:31:57

>> Yes.

1:31:58

>> Ms. Hill?

1:31:59

>> Yes.

1:31:59

>> Resolution 11 of 2026 passes by vote of

1:32:02

7 to 0.

1:32:03

>> Thank you. Next we have Resolution 12 of

1:32:05

2026. Mr. Truesdale, could you please

1:32:08

read it into the record?

1:32:10

>> Resolution 12 2026, a resolution

1:32:12

authorizing the City of Harrisburg to

1:32:14

negotiate and enter into a lease

1:32:15

agreement with Lamar Advantage GP

1:32:17

Company LLC for the purpose of

1:32:19

maintaining an existing billboard on a

1:32:22

portion of city property located along

1:32:24

South Cameron Street north of the

1:32:26

intersection of Magnolia Street.

1:32:28

>> Thank you. Council members, do you have

1:32:30

any questions, comments, or concerns

1:32:32

related to Resolution 12 of 2026?

1:32:36

Seeing and hearing none, Mr. Truesdale,

1:32:37

could you please call the vote?

1:32:39

>> Ms. Davis?

1:32:40

>> Yes.

1:32:41

>> Ms. Green?

1:32:42

>> Yes.

1:32:43

>> Mr. Jones?

1:32:44

>> Yay.

1:32:45

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:32:46

>> Yes.

1:32:47

>> Ms. Rolls?

1:32:48

>> Yes.

1:32:49

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:32:50

>> Yes.

1:32:51

>> Ms. Hill?

1:32:51

>> Yes.

1:32:52

>> Resolution 12 of 2026 passes by vote of

1:32:54

7 to 0.

1:32:56

>> Thank you. Next we have Resolution 13 of

1:32:58

2026. Mr. Truesdale, could you please

1:33:02

>> Resolution 13 2026, a resolution

1:33:05

authorizing the City of Harrisburg to

1:33:06

negotiate and enter into a lease

1:33:08

agreement with Lamar Advantage GP

1:33:10

Company LLC for the purpose of

1:33:12

maintaining an existing billboard on a

1:33:14

portion of city property located along

1:33:16

South Cameron Street south of the

1:33:18

intersection of Magnolia Street.

1:33:20

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

1:33:21

any questions, comments, or concerns

1:33:24

related to Resolution 13 of 2026?

1:33:27

Seeing and hearing none, Mr. Truesdale,

1:33:29

could you please call the vote?

1:33:30

>> Ms. Davis?

1:33:31

>> Yes.

1:33:32

>> Ms. Green?

1:33:33

>> Yes.

1:33:34

>> Mr. Jones?

1:33:35

>> Yay.

1:33:36

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:33:37

>> Yes.

1:33:38

>> Ms. Rolls?

1:33:39

>> Yes.

1:33:40

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:33:41

>> Yes.

1:33:42

>> Ms. Hill?

1:33:43

>> Yes.

1:33:44

>> Resolution 13 of 2026 passes by vote of

1:33:47

7 to 0.

1:33:48

>> Thank you. Next we have Resolution 14 of

1:33:50

2026.

1:33:52

Mr. Truesdale, could you please read it

1:33:53

into the record?

1:33:54

>> Resolution 14 2026, a resolution

1:33:57

authorizing the city of Harrisburg to

1:33:59

negotiate and enter into a lease

1:34:00

agreement with Lamar Advantage GP

1:34:02

Company LLC for the purpose of

1:34:04

maintaining an existing billboard on a

1:34:06

portion of city property located along

1:34:08

South Cameron Street near the

1:34:10

intersection of Elliot Street.

1:34:12

>> Thank you, council members. Are there

1:34:13

any final questions, comments, or

1:34:15

concerns related to resolution 14 of

1:34:18

2026?

1:34:20

Seeing and hearing none, Mr. Truesdale,

1:34:21

could you please call the vote?

1:34:23

>> Ms. Davis?

1:34:23

>> Yes.

1:34:25

>> Ms. Green?

1:34:26

>> Yes.

1:34:27

>> Mr. Jones?

1:34:28

>> Yay.

1:34:29

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:34:30

>> Yes.

1:34:31

>> Ms. Rose?

1:34:32

>> Yes.

1:34:33

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:34:34

>> Yes.

1:34:34

>> Ms. Hill?

1:34:36

>> Yes.

1:34:37

>> Resolution 14 of 2026 passes by vote of

1:34:39

7 to 0.

1:34:41

>> Thank you. Next we have resolution 15 of

1:34:44

2026.

1:34:45

Mr. Truesdale, could you please read it

1:34:47

into the record?

1:34:50

>> Resolution 15 of 2026. A resolution

1:34:54

ratifying and approving the 2026 through

1:34:57

2028 basic labor agreement between the

1:34:59

city of Harrisburg and Local 521,

1:35:02

American Federation of State, County,

1:35:04

and Municipal Employees Council 13.

1:35:07

>> Thank you, council members. Are there

1:35:08

any final questions, comments, or

1:35:10

concerns related to resolution 15 of

1:35:13

2026?

1:35:14

Seeing hearing none, Mr. Truesdale,

1:35:16

could you please call the vote?

1:35:18

>> Ms. Davis?

1:35:19

>> Yes.

1:35:20

>> Ms. Green?

1:35:21

>> Yes.

1:35:22

>> Mr. Jones?

1:35:23

>> Yay.

1:35:25

>> Mr. Lawson?

1:35:26

>> Yes.

1:35:27

>> Ms. Rose?

1:35:28

>> Yes.

1:35:29

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

1:35:30

>> Yes.

1:35:30

>> Ms. Hill?

1:35:31

>> Yes.

1:35:32

>> Resolution 15 of 2026 passes by vote of

1:35:35

7 to 0.

1:35:36

>> Thank you. Next we have resolution 16 of

1:35:39

2026. Mr. Truesdale, could you please

1:35:41

read it into the record?

1:35:43

>> Resolution 16, 2026. A resolution to

1:35:47

negotiate and enter into a lease

1:35:48

agreement with the Pennsylvania

1:35:50

Department of Transportation in the

1:35:51

amount of $1 for a certain portion of

1:35:54

right-of-way with parking and lighting

1:35:56

improvements located under the South

1:35:58

Bridge of I-83 to be used as parking for

1:36:00

recreation activities on the Capital

1:36:03

Area Greenbelt.

1:36:04

>> Thank you. Resolution 16 of 2026 will

1:36:08

move to the Administration Committee.

1:36:11

Next, we have Resolution 17 of 2026. Mr.

1:36:14

Truesdale, could you please read it into

1:36:16

the record?

1:36:17

>> Resolution 17 2026. A resolution

1:36:20

confirming the appointment appointment

1:36:22

of Gloria Martin Roberts to serve as

1:36:24

director of the Department of Building

1:36:26

and Housing Development for the City of

1:36:28

Harrisburg.

1:36:29

>> Thank you. I will entertain a motion to

1:36:32

suspend the rules for discussion.

1:36:34

>> So moved.

1:36:34

>> Is there a second?

1:36:35

>> Second.

1:36:36

>> Thank you.

1:36:37

I believe Ms. Martin Roberts

1:36:41

Oh, she's outside. Okay.

1:36:47

Well, let's move forward with the other

1:36:50

uh

1:36:51

resolutions and then she'll come.

1:36:57

Yes, let's do that and we'll come back.

1:37:00

Resolution 18 of 2026. Mr. Truesdale,

1:37:03

could you please read it into the

1:37:04

record?

1:37:07

>> Res- Resolution 18 2026. A resolution

1:37:11

approving the second proposed 2026

1:37:13

budget reallocation including an initial

1:37:15

appropriation and allocation in

1:37:17

fulfillment of contractual commitments.

1:37:20

>> Thank you. Resolution 18 of 2026 will

1:37:23

move to the Budget and Finance

1:37:24

Committee. The final resolution for

1:37:26

consideration is Resolution 19 of 2026.

1:37:30

Mr. Truesdale, could you please read it

1:37:32

into the record?

1:37:33

>> Resolution 19 of 2026. A resolution

1:37:36

appointing Ms. Katherine O'Fla- Flaherty

1:37:39

to serve on the Harrisburg Architectural

1:37:41

Review Board of the City of Harrisburg.

1:37:44

>> Thank you. Resolution 19 of 2026 will

1:37:48

move to the administration committee.

1:37:50

We're going to go back to resolution 17

1:37:53

of 2026.

1:37:55

I believe Ms. Martin Roberts is now

1:37:57

present in the room.

1:38:08

>> Thank you.

1:38:16

Good evening. I apologize to you. I was

1:38:18

being interviewed.

1:38:21

>> Okay. Thank you.

1:38:23

Uh

1:38:24

I really don't have any questions. Um

1:38:29

I think as I've noted before,

1:38:31

this was the second piece of legislation

1:38:35

that we've been waiting for um following

1:38:38

the joint stipulation with the court.

1:38:40

So, I don't I don't have any questions

1:38:42

here. I will open the floor to my

1:38:44

colleagues who may have some additional

1:38:46

questions. We'll begin with uh

1:38:49

Councilwoman woman Davis, do you have

1:38:51

any questions?

1:38:53

>> Thank you, President Hill. No, I don't

1:38:55

have any questions for um Ms. Gloria

1:38:58

Martin Roberts. I'm familiar with her

1:39:02

work since I've been here. So, um I

1:39:06

don't have any questions. Thank you.

1:39:08

>> Okay. Thank you. Councilman Rodriguez,

1:39:10

do you have any questions?

1:39:12

>> Thank you, Madam President. Yes, uh good

1:39:13

evening, Ms. Gloria. How are you?

1:39:15

>> I'm fine, thank you.

1:39:16

>> Good to see you. How's everything going?

1:39:18

>> Everything's going fine, thank you.

1:39:19

>> All right. Um

1:39:21

So, how do you plan um on increasing

1:39:24

communications between council and your

1:39:26

department if you receive the

1:39:27

affirmative vote this evening?

1:39:29

>> Well, I believe that it would be helpful

1:39:32

if I've had on my calendar the

1:39:34

availability of council members to meet

1:39:37

with me. Now, some of you already do

1:39:39

that and and you come and meet with me

1:39:42

on a regular basis when you can.

1:39:45

But I think it would be very helpful.

1:39:47

And that's not just for me, but that's

1:39:49

for any department to be on a calendar

1:39:52

so that you have regularly scheduled

1:39:55

meetings. Uh just to

1:39:57

keep you apprised of what's going on in

1:39:59

the various departments.

1:40:00

>> Thank you. Um quarterly reports, is that

1:40:03

something you'd be willing to continue I

1:40:05

mean coming down and actually

1:40:07

giving the presentation yourself in

1:40:09

front of council?

1:40:10

>> Certainly.

1:40:11

>> Okay. Okay. Um

1:40:13

let's just say for some reason you do

1:40:16

get voted down this evening. Are there

1:40:18

any workings with HUD on the federal

1:40:21

level that will be held up or in

1:40:23

contingent due to your absence and kind

1:40:26

of put the city in a hole?

1:40:28

>> Yes. Um we are under timeliness review,

1:40:31

which means over the last 6 years the

1:40:34

city has not drawn down their federal

1:40:36

funds.

1:40:37

And so those funds have to be expended

1:40:40

by August of this year.

1:40:42

Um I have been working over the last 2

1:40:47

weeks. Uh we have a plan. HUD came into

1:40:51

town last month and I met with them. And

1:40:54

I have a plan to make sure that those

1:40:56

dollars are spent down. And what we're

1:40:58

going to do is pay for the soft costs

1:41:01

related to the Broad Street Market.

1:41:04

Those dollars would then go back into

1:41:06

the general fund so that they can be

1:41:08

used for other projects.

1:41:10

>> Okay. And um I had a question for

1:41:12

Antonio. Antonio, would you mind coming

1:41:14

up to the microphone, please?

1:41:32

How you doing, Antonio?

1:41:34

>> I'm doing good. How about

1:41:34

>> If you'd you to state your name for

1:41:36

those in attendance so they know who you

1:41:37

are?

1:41:38

>> Anthony Magna, business administrator's

1:41:39

office.

1:41:40

>> Um so thank you. Um how will your role

1:41:43

be affected or impacted if we lose um

1:41:46

our current director in Ms. Gloria's

1:41:48

position?

1:41:49

>> Absolutely. I've been involved in a a

1:41:50

number of discussions with related to uh

1:41:53

various housing programs that we run at

1:41:54

the city as well as uh the LERTA

1:41:56

process, which is still ongoing as many

1:41:58

of you know. Um

1:42:00

if if Gloria were to not be approved and

1:42:02

we need to step away, that would affect

1:42:04

nearly all of these programs um and

1:42:06

especially the LERTA stuff. So my my

1:42:09

role then would be greatly affected

1:42:11

because I would have to

1:42:13

figure out a way to still continue to

1:42:14

deal with the LERTA applications as they

1:42:16

come in even though I am not the

1:42:18

individual that is supposed to be doing

1:42:19

that. And then we would also have to

1:42:21

find a work around for

1:42:23

how to how the HUD money can be spent or

1:42:25

you know, what the plan would be moving

1:42:26

forward. This would take

1:42:28

This isn't solved in days. This is

1:42:29

solved in weeks or months most likely.

1:42:32

>> So we could potentially pause a lot of

1:42:34

things going for the city.

1:42:35

>> Yes.

1:42:35

>> Oh man. Um then I and I'm I hate to make

1:42:39

it seem like I'm prying. I just I'm

1:42:40

trying to get as much as not very often

1:42:42

that we have both of you in the same

1:42:44

room together. So I'm trying to gather

1:42:45

as much info as I can. Um

1:42:47

and as far as this is my final question,

1:42:49

as far as the ARPA funding, um how has

1:42:51

your office handled the ARPA funding and

1:42:53

has all uh funding that's been allocated

1:42:56

have been distributed to all entities

1:42:58

and groups that which it's supposed to

1:43:00

go to?

1:43:01

>> Thank you. Well, the only ARPA money

1:43:03

that I deal with is what they call the

1:43:05

ARPA home.

1:43:07

And uh when I came on board, there was

1:43:09

no program for the ARPA home.

1:43:13

None whatsoever. So I had to design,

1:43:16

develop, and implement an ARPA

1:43:18

program.

1:43:20

Um so that's in existence. We are

1:43:24

expending those dollars.

1:43:26

Uh we're providing um rehab services to

1:43:30

families in need again based on income.

1:43:34

Low to moderate income. Um we have

1:43:38

um

1:43:40

completed

1:43:41

56 homes.

1:43:43

Um and we have 86

1:43:47

more families waiting.

1:43:49

Uh the reason for the waiting period is

1:43:51

because we share our contractors with

1:43:54

our HRP program and our Alpha Home.

1:43:58

Um although we also since I've been here

1:44:00

increased the number of contractors that

1:44:02

we have, um we have uh 19. Uh 16 of them

1:44:07

are minority contractors.

1:44:10

And um and when I started um

1:44:13

we had nine

1:44:15

I I'm sorry, eight um minority

1:44:18

contractors.

1:44:19

Uh one thing I implemented was a

1:44:21

quarterly meeting with our contractors.

1:44:24

And that was so that we could hear from

1:44:27

them. They can tell us, you know, what

1:44:29

issues they're going through. Sometimes

1:44:31

they have issues with even the people

1:44:33

that they're serving, you know,

1:44:34

rehabbing their homes and so forth. They

1:44:36

don't not necessarily have

1:44:38

know how to handle them. Um I An example

1:44:41

is I have one contractor that um

1:44:44

was rehabbing a home and

1:44:48

um

1:44:49

in the contract it clearly states

1:44:51

there's certain things a contractors

1:44:52

can't do. And that's to prevent them

1:44:55

from having any kind of legal problems

1:44:57

and

1:44:59

with with with us, with the contractors.

1:45:02

These uh

1:45:04

young men and women um do an exemplary

1:45:07

job. And so we try to be as supportive

1:45:11

as we can to them. They are also very

1:45:14

instrumental in bringing in new

1:45:16

contractors. So that's why we have a

1:45:17

quarterly quarterly meeting with them.

1:45:20

We have also implemented a program.

1:45:23

Somebody mentioned something about lead

1:45:25

earlier.

1:45:26

But um in our codes department. Um, I

1:45:29

implemented a program where our lead

1:45:32

program involves our codes officers in

1:45:35

their training so that they know how to

1:45:37

recognize lead.

1:45:40

And how to report it back to our lead

1:45:43

program. And so their own safety as well

1:45:46

as the safety of the homes that they go

1:45:48

into where they where they're doing a

1:45:50

codes inspection. But, now they know

1:45:52

what to look for in terms of lead.

1:45:54

>> All right. Thank you. And uh,

1:45:56

I would have a lot more questions, but

1:45:58

when I sat down I literally found out

1:45:59

you'd be coming in front of us. So, I

1:46:01

tried to get some things together. And

1:46:03

can you uh, because I I'd be remiss if I

1:46:05

didn't ask beings though a lot of the

1:46:07

public comment were geared towards your

1:46:08

qualifications. Um, besides being on

1:46:10

council and former council president,

1:46:12

can you speak to some of your

1:46:13

qualifications that actually uh,

1:46:16

you know, qualify you for your role

1:46:18

currently?

1:46:18

>> Well, I have um, been a consultant to

1:46:22

the federal government. I have served in

1:46:24

state government. Um, and of course sat

1:46:28

on uh, council and the elected school

1:46:31

board and the board of control in the

1:46:32

city of Harrisburg.

1:46:34

Much of my knowledge and skills comes

1:46:36

from sitting on

1:46:38

the

1:46:39

city council.

1:46:41

Because when you do your chairmanship

1:46:45

you should be meeting with staff.

1:46:48

And you should be learning about these

1:46:49

type of programs that the city offers.

1:46:52

In addition to that, as a chief

1:46:54

operating officer, you have to know

1:46:56

about facilities.

1:46:58

And so that plays

1:47:01

very well into what I'm currently doing.

1:47:04

Learning government is important. You

1:47:06

have to know the structure of

1:47:07

government.

1:47:09

When I worked for the Commonwealth of

1:47:10

Pennsylvania, I had the second largest

1:47:12

grant in the health department.

1:47:15

I ran the Bureau of Preventative Health

1:47:16

Programs which had all disease areas

1:47:19

except HIV AIDS.

1:47:21

The knowledge of knowing about those

1:47:23

diseases was not as important as the

1:47:26

knowledge of being able to know how to

1:47:29

work with

1:47:31

other government.

1:47:33

>> Awesome. Thank you. And then you had

1:47:34

mentioned um

1:47:36

something with the contractors. How are

1:47:38

you relaying that information to the

1:47:40

inclusion and compliance office with Ms.

1:47:41

Dina to get that information on her

1:47:43

continuity um document? I was privy to

1:47:46

see it and I think it could be

1:47:47

something, you know, vital that we can

1:47:48

pass down from director to director. So,

1:47:51

how is your office

1:47:52

>> We work very closely

1:47:54

uh with her her office. And as a matter

1:47:57

of fact, um my program manager for the

1:48:01

home program, HRP program, attends those

1:48:04

meetings that she has so that he can

1:48:07

inform our contractors of any type new

1:48:09

policies and procedures

1:48:12

uh related to rehabbing homes, how you

1:48:15

become a contractor for the city.

1:48:18

>> Awesome. Thank you for that. And

1:48:19

Antonio, thank you. I'm sorry to kind of

1:48:20

drag you up here. No further questions,

1:48:22

Madam President.

1:48:24

>> Thank you. Councilwoman Ross, any

1:48:26

questions?

1:48:27

>> Thank you, President Hill, and good

1:48:29

evening, Ms. Martin-Roberts. Thank you

1:48:30

for being here today.

1:48:32

Um

1:48:34

Councilman Rodriguez, I asked you some

1:48:36

of the questions that I had, but you may

1:48:38

expand upon them, especially the one um

1:48:41

about some accomplishments that you've

1:48:44

had while being acting director and

1:48:46

building housing. So, I was wondering if

1:48:49

uh you would like to expand upon that or

1:48:51

there any other accomplishments that you

1:48:53

have had uh while being uh

1:48:56

acting director of

1:48:57

>> I can I have a three-page list

1:49:01

of the things that I have accomplished

1:49:03

since I have been in this role.

1:49:05

I can read every item on this list or I

1:49:08

can provide each of you with a copy of

1:49:10

this. But, this is a actually these are

1:49:13

the things that I was confronted it

1:49:15

when I came, and these are the uh issues

1:49:18

that I have resolved. I have an

1:49:21

excellent and I've developed a excellent

1:49:23

relationship with HUD.

1:49:25

Um I'm going to give an example, another

1:49:27

issue that I was confronted with when I

1:49:29

came in. You're all aware of the TLC

1:49:32

project

1:49:33

uh on Allison Hill, and also the Bethel

1:49:38

project.

1:49:40

And when I came on board, I had a notice

1:49:42

from HUD saying that you are not allowed

1:49:45

to pay for this project.

1:49:47

And of course I was stunned. I didn't

1:49:49

know why.

1:49:50

And when I called the regional

1:49:52

representative,

1:49:54

she said because HUD regulations were

1:49:56

not followed on these programs,

1:49:59

therefore you cannot use any HUD HUD

1:50:02

program funds

1:50:05

to take care of those projects.

1:50:07

I

1:50:09

had a very good conversation with this

1:50:11

person, and I said this wasn't done on

1:50:13

my watch.

1:50:15

These projects are completed. They're

1:50:17

excellent projects.

1:50:20

We need housing for our low-to-moderate

1:50:23

income. This would be a catastrophe.

1:50:27

Um we talked it out. HUD allowed me to

1:50:30

go back and rectify what wasn't done

1:50:32

properly the first time, and I was able

1:50:35

to pay TLC

1:50:38

um both for both projects. They can

1:50:41

confirm that. I have no problem with you

1:50:43

checking on this information.

1:50:45

Um

1:50:47

that's one of the things. Like I said, I

1:50:49

can read this whole three pages if you

1:50:51

want to, but we might be here till

1:50:52

midnight.

1:50:53

So um

1:50:55

>> Uh

1:50:56

just anything if there is anything else

1:50:58

that sticks out to you.

1:50:59

>> Well, our HRP home program, I revised

1:51:03

and implemented new policies and

1:51:05

procedures. We were operating off a

1:51:07

20-year old policies and procedures.

1:51:11

And so we have revised those and makes

1:51:13

it easier for us in terms of getting

1:51:16

services for our contractors, to pay our

1:51:19

contractors, which all of you know that

1:51:22

a long while ago

1:51:24

uh the wrong reasons contractors didn't

1:51:26

want to come into the city is because

1:51:28

they weren't getting paid on time.

1:51:31

So um

1:51:32

we have corrected that problem.

1:51:35

Um

1:51:38

I don't I don't know what else you want

1:51:39

me to say, but they're all here and like

1:51:42

I said I can provide you with this list.

1:51:46

>> I'm fine. You can email me the list. I

1:51:47

mean, the vote's tonight, but you can

1:51:50

you can email it to me, but that's fine

1:51:52

if that's it.

1:51:53

>> email this to you.

1:51:54

>> Um my next question was what brought you

1:51:56

to work for the city of Harrisburg as

1:51:58

the acting director of the building and

1:52:00

housing department?

1:52:02

>> The mayor asked me if I would come in

1:52:05

and direct the department. Um I think

1:52:08

she uh the former director had given

1:52:10

less than 2 weeks.

1:52:12

Um

1:52:13

she was notified that there were several

1:52:16

timelines that had to be met.

1:52:19

And um she asked me if I would come to

1:52:22

work for the city.

1:52:23

I did not give her an immediate answer.

1:52:26

I took my time.

1:52:27

Matter of fact, this when she asked me,

1:52:29

I was in bed with a broken toe and a

1:52:31

sinus infection.

1:52:33

So I did that's how I

1:52:36

was asked to come. The mayor and I have

1:52:38

sat on the elected school board

1:52:40

together. We sat on the elected um

1:52:46

this office together for many years. So

1:52:48

she was aware of my talent skills,

1:52:51

my expertise.

1:52:52

>> Okay. So more as

1:52:54

a favor to come in and work for based

1:52:57

off of your expertise then

1:52:59

>> I didn't consider it a favor. I consider

1:53:02

it a request that she wanted a competent

1:53:04

person to come in

1:53:06

and get the job done.

1:53:08

Okay.

1:53:09

Um

1:53:12

what goals do you have for how the CDBG

1:53:17

funds are used? And I ask that because

1:53:20

uh

1:53:21

in earlier years and even under your

1:53:23

acting director position, they've been

1:53:26

used solely to be given to um

1:53:29

nonprofits, usually the same ones each

1:53:32

and every year. It never really changes.

1:53:35

Um but they can be used for other things

1:53:37

such as infrastructure for our city,

1:53:40

um which a lot of residents don't know

1:53:43

about. So,

1:53:44

if you are confirmed, what

1:53:48

and how would you use that money any

1:53:50

differently than it how it's been used?

1:53:52

>> Well, if you recall, I came before city

1:53:54

council last year, at the end of last

1:53:56

year,

1:53:57

and uh recommended that from beginning

1:54:01

with 2026 funding, that we direct those

1:54:04

funds to the infrastructure of the city.

1:54:06

I provided you with a list of uh

1:54:09

projects

1:54:11

um that uh we were had recommended to

1:54:14

the mayor. She agreed, and

1:54:16

this council also agreed to improve the

1:54:20

infrastructure of the city. Things like

1:54:22

um

1:54:23

better lighting in high-crime areas,

1:54:27

um

1:54:28

doing um

1:54:30

cameras,

1:54:32

uh

1:54:35

just rebuilding our city, our homes,

1:54:38

uh going into the neighborhoods where we

1:54:40

know we have homes that can be rehabbed

1:54:44

to put them back on the tax roll. And

1:54:47

so, we have I met with all of the

1:54:50

department heads when I came here, and

1:54:52

they gave me their wish list.

1:54:55

Improving our play playgrounds is

1:54:58

another initiative. Um so, there's a

1:55:01

whole list of things that we have uh

1:55:04

recommended to council and to the mayor

1:55:06

to do

1:55:07

for the infrastructure. And I might say

1:55:09

that this is happening across the

1:55:11

country, not here. It's just here. It's

1:55:14

happening all over the country where um

1:55:17

municipalities are using their block

1:55:19

grant money to improve infrastructure

1:55:22

because they don't know

1:55:25

how things are going to go in

1:55:26

Washington. That's as delicately as I

1:55:28

can put that.

1:55:30

>> Thank you. I I don't have any further

1:55:32

questions. I just I wanted to ask you

1:55:34

those questions cuz I've been wanting to

1:55:35

ask them to you for over a year or so,

1:55:38

and I think that when confirmations come

1:55:41

down, um we ask these certain questions

1:55:44

to see what is going on in departments,

1:55:47

and I was never really able to ask you

1:55:49

those questions. Um, so thank you. I I

1:55:52

may have another question. I But I think

1:55:55

that's it for now.

1:55:56

>> You're welcome.

1:55:57

>> Mhm.

1:55:58

Thank you, Vice President Jones. Any

1:56:00

question?

1:56:00

>> No questions.

1:56:01

>> Thank you.

1:56:03

Councilwoman Green, any questions?

1:56:05

>> Thank you, President Hill. Good evening,

1:56:07

Ms. Martin Roberts.

1:56:08

>> Good evening.

1:56:08

>> Um, a lot of my questions were asked

1:56:11

along the way. Uh, but I'll just start

1:56:12

with the basic one. What makes you the

1:56:13

fit for this position? Like, why do you

1:56:15

feel like you fit in this position?

1:56:18

>> Because I'm doing a good job for the

1:56:19

city, and my focus is on the residents

1:56:22

of this city. I care about this city.

1:56:25

Um, if you look at what we have

1:56:27

accomplished, cuz I don't accomplish it

1:56:30

by myself, I accomplish it with my

1:56:32

staff.

1:56:33

We have addressed a lot of needs in this

1:56:36

city, and especially homeowners and

1:56:38

senior citizens.

1:56:42

>> Okay.

1:56:43

>> Plus, I will add I have a very creative

1:56:45

mind. So, there are some other things

1:56:47

that we would like to implement in

1:56:48

dealing with the homeless population to

1:56:51

get them off the ground, if you will,

1:56:54

and so forth. So, um I have a very

1:56:56

creative staff. Um we work closely

1:56:59

together.

1:57:00

And um so we have a lot of hope

1:57:03

to be able to improve the things in the

1:57:05

kids city that needs to be improved.

1:57:08

>> All right. Uh you've been in this

1:57:09

position for quite a a little while now.

1:57:11

Um what would you say is your greatest

1:57:13

accomplishment in this position?

1:57:15

>> Keeping our federal funding. And and

1:57:18

with the hope of by doing that

1:57:21

um it will

1:57:23

uh open HUD's eyes and we can continue

1:57:26

to get more federal funding because

1:57:30

if you

1:57:31

if you recall

1:57:32

>> Excuse me.

1:57:33

>> maybe some of you don't know, but we

1:57:35

used to get more funding than we get

1:57:37

now. And over the years it has steadily

1:57:42

decreased.

1:57:43

And so my goal is to see if we can get

1:57:46

that raised back up because we need it.

1:57:49

But we have to prove that we need it by

1:57:51

demonstrating to HUD that we're doing

1:57:53

the right thing in our community that

1:57:55

meets the federal goals.

1:57:59

>> Thank you. And then I think this might

1:58:01

be my last question. If I have more,

1:58:02

they'll come. Um but what are you doing

1:58:06

to build a legacy after you're gone? All

1:58:08

right. So, what are we putting in place

1:58:09

cuz it seems like every time we get a

1:58:11

new director in each position, it's like

1:58:13

the last director didn't do this. I'm

1:58:15

cleaning up this mess. I'm doing this.

1:58:16

What are we doing to stop that because

1:58:18

it seems like every time it's like

1:58:20

starting all over again. It's completely

1:58:21

new. Well, so what standard operating

1:58:23

procedures are being put in place so

1:58:25

that if you hit the lottery tomorrow and

1:58:26

decide that I didn't apply for the job

1:58:28

originally anyway, right? It was I

1:58:30

someone came to me and asked me if I

1:58:31

wanted it. Um so what are you doing to

1:58:34

ensure that that continues on even in

1:58:37

your absence?

1:58:38

>> And that's a good question. Um having

1:58:40

policies and procedures in place is

1:58:42

vital and we're working right now with

1:58:44

our HUD consultants

1:58:46

to uh design federal uh not federal, I'm

1:58:50

sorry, municipal policies and procedures

1:58:53

related to our programs and our

1:58:56

financing.

1:58:58

As a matter of fact, I had a Zoom call

1:59:00

just this afternoon as we were going

1:59:01

through those things. And there will be

1:59:04

policies and procedures where any new

1:59:06

person could come in and know how to

1:59:08

direct that department.

1:59:12

>> Thank you. I think that's all the

1:59:13

questions I have at the moment. Thank

1:59:14

you.

1:59:15

>> You're welcome.

1:59:15

>> Thank you. Councilman Lawson, any

1:59:18

questions?

1:59:19

>> Yes, thank you.

1:59:20

Um

1:59:22

Good evening, Ms. Gloria. Thank you so

1:59:23

much for coming here um before us and um

1:59:28

it's great that we get this opportunity

1:59:30

to speak with you and and see your

1:59:32

vision for your department. Um

1:59:35

When you first uh started speaking to

1:59:37

us, you told us that when you took the

1:59:39

position, you were in trouble because

1:59:41

there was HUD money that hadn't been

1:59:43

spent down. And and we see that uh

1:59:46

you know, with a lot of the money that's

1:59:48

been awarded, it it makes its way out

1:59:50

slowly. Um

1:59:53

What What are you putting in place so

1:59:55

that that is not an issue ongoing?

1:59:59

>> Well, the one thing as I said that it

2:00:01

has not been spent down and I had to

2:00:03

provide HUD with a plan on how we would

2:00:06

spend down that money.

2:00:08

Um and that would be to pay for the soft

2:00:12

cost related to the Broad Street Market.

2:00:15

Um that will put us back on track.

2:00:19

The other thing is with all the

2:00:21

infrastructure projects needed in this

2:00:24

city, we'll be spending like mad people.

2:00:27

>> And and I probably didn't ask it

2:00:29

properly. Um how do we make sure that

2:00:32

that doesn't happen again in the future?

2:00:33

That What I want to make sure is it's

2:00:35

almost um

2:00:36

following up with uh Councilman Green's

2:00:38

question where she said like a

2:00:40

succession plan. Are we putting any

2:00:42

standard operating procedures to say,

2:00:44

"Hey,

2:00:45

we get money that we award, we make sure

2:00:47

that it makes it out so that this way

2:00:49

the people that are are are getting that

2:00:51

award or not waiting

2:00:53

because many of them are making

2:00:54

purchases and making decisions based on

2:00:56

these awards and if it takes years to

2:00:59

for them to get it, you know,

2:01:01

some of the the smaller guys are going

2:01:03

out of business.

2:01:04

And and we want to make sure that we

2:01:06

just keep these things moving fluidly.

2:01:08

>> Well, some things I can control and some

2:01:10

things I can't. So, I the best I can do

2:01:14

is make sure that

2:01:16

with the things that I control and if

2:01:19

they're internal, go to the mayor and

2:01:21

let her know that I'm having difficulty

2:01:23

getting those things controlled.

2:01:26

>> Okay, so was the

2:01:28

the past hold up, was that more of an

2:01:30

internal or or an external

2:01:32

thing that you had to solve? I I

2:01:34

understand you had to come in and it

2:01:35

wasn't your your deal, but was that I I

2:01:38

just want to get it my head around.

2:01:39

>> an internal.

2:01:40

>> an internal. So, that's something that

2:01:42

you could, let's say if that were to you

2:01:45

know, whatever HUD funds are awarded

2:01:46

this year.

2:01:47

You have processes in place that you can

2:01:49

say, "Okay, we'll make sure that this

2:01:50

can make it out there." Because that's

2:01:53

>> as long as the person making that

2:01:55

decision follows those guidelines. Yes.

2:01:58

>> Okay.

2:01:59

>> But but I can assure you of one thing,

2:02:01

HUD doesn't linger when it's time to

2:02:04

notify us that we're doing something

2:02:06

wrong.

2:02:07

>> Right.

2:02:07

>> they're on it and and they they give you

2:02:10

time for correction.

2:02:12

And so the person in the seat has to be

2:02:14

mindful of that and make sure that you

2:02:17

meet those timeliness schedules given by

2:02:20

HUD.

2:02:21

>> Okay, thank you.

2:02:22

>> You're welcome.

2:02:23

>> And then um

2:02:25

there there was a comment of your your

2:02:28

work history not matching up directly

2:02:30

with this position.

2:02:32

Is there anything within your past work

2:02:34

history that you say, "Hey,

2:02:37

this teaches me how to work with the the

2:02:40

the federal government as far as funding

2:02:42

and and the like of that. And if you can

2:02:44

expand on that just a little bit more.

2:02:45

>> Well, with with the federal government,

2:02:47

I've done workforce development. I've

2:02:49

done welfare to work.

2:02:51

Um I have done um I've been a chief

2:02:55

operating officer.

2:02:57

Uh which includes dealing with

2:02:59

facilities

2:03:01

and um a lot of other issues that

2:03:05

uh

2:03:05

home like the rehabs and things like

2:03:08

that. It all comes into play.

2:03:11

Well, I'm going to say this. In any new

2:03:12

position that a person comes in, not one

2:03:15

person can know everything, and you do

2:03:17

have a learning curve.

2:03:19

The value that I bring is that I know

2:03:21

how to work with government. I know how

2:03:22

to develop and I have developed

2:03:25

relationships with HUD.

2:03:27

And uh that's been very very

2:03:29

instrumental for being able to clean up

2:03:31

a lot of stuff.

2:03:33

>> Okay, great. And

2:03:36

that that's everything that I have then.

2:03:38

Thank you.

2:03:39

>> You're welcome.

2:03:41

>> Thank you.

2:03:42

Um I didn't have any questions

2:03:44

initially, but as you were speaking and

2:03:46

responding to some of the other

2:03:48

questions that were asked, I do have a

2:03:50

few.

2:03:52

Uh my first one is and maybe this isn't

2:03:54

a question for you, but I'm still going

2:03:56

to ask. Why did it take a motion for

2:03:59

contempt for Ms. Gloria Martin Roberts

2:04:02

to come before council for a vote?

2:04:09

Okay, no response. I'll move to my

2:04:11

second question.

2:04:13

Housing and health care are different

2:04:15

industries. Would you agree?

2:04:18

>> I would agree.

2:04:18

>> Okay, thank you.

2:04:20

>> Except that in health care

2:04:23

it is broad

2:04:25

because you do have people in health

2:04:27

care

2:04:28

that need housing assistance

2:04:31

that that are mentally ill

2:04:35

that may need that are homeless

2:04:38

that have a litany of health issues that

2:04:42

cause them has a rippling effect on the

2:04:45

quality of their life.

2:04:47

And so, with certain things, yes.

2:04:50

But there's also areas within health

2:04:53

care that marry

2:04:56

housing, economic development.

2:05:00

>> But you noted that they are different

2:05:02

industries. My next question is or

2:05:04

comment rather, you mentioned creative

2:05:07

staff. Ms. Moore was once a a creative

2:05:11

staffer within your department. You came

2:05:13

before Council and you said gave her

2:05:16

glowing recommendation during a meeting.

2:05:18

So, I just wanted to note that. You

2:05:20

mentioned that your greatest

2:05:21

accomplishment is is keeping federal

2:05:24

funding. But isn't maintaining federal

2:05:27

funding a baseline function of the role?

2:05:30

>> It is, but I also need to remind you

2:05:34

that we wouldn't do that if we're not

2:05:36

going to do our job accurately. If we

2:05:39

don't

2:05:40

have a good relationship with HUD. And

2:05:43

it's not just keeping it, but it's also

2:05:45

increasing it, which is a goal of mine.

2:05:49

>> Okay, so isn't it an indictment on your

2:05:51

nearly two-year tenure in the role that

2:05:55

your biggest accomplishment is

2:05:57

maintaining federal funds that you

2:05:59

haven't spent?

2:06:01

>> I've never had a job where I felt

2:06:02

indicted.

2:06:03

>> Okay.

2:06:04

>> And it wasn't me that didn't spend down

2:06:06

those monies. I was notified by HUD that

2:06:09

those monies had not been spent down.

2:06:11

And as soon as I was notified, I took

2:06:13

action to correct the problem.

2:06:15

>> Okay, one final question. I don't know

2:06:17

if this is for you, but don't you think

2:06:19

it was improper for the mayor to wait

2:06:22

645

2:06:24

days before Council had an opportunity

2:06:28

to provide advice and consent? Do you

2:06:31

agree that the mayor should follow the

2:06:33

law?

2:06:34

>> I think that everybody should follow the

2:06:36

law, but I will say this, that question

2:06:38

should go to the mayor. I don't

2:06:40

supervise her.

2:06:41

>> Well, I said I don't know if you are the

2:06:43

appropriate person to respond to this

2:06:46

question, but I will ask anyway.

2:06:49

Are there any other questions, comments,

2:06:51

or concerns related to resolution 17 of

2:06:54

2026?

2:06:56

>> Yes, President Hill. Thank you.

2:06:59

As the building and housing

2:07:01

um chair, I have met with

2:07:04

um Director Martin Roberts on several

2:07:08

occasions. So, I was pretty I'm pretty

2:07:10

much aware of

2:07:13

what has been going on

2:07:15

and um how she has

2:07:18

developed the apart the department since

2:07:21

she's been here. Um

2:07:24

I was impressed with the team building

2:07:27

efforts that she made. Everyone was

2:07:29

aware of what's going on, and everyone's

2:07:31

aware of

2:07:33

each

2:07:35

uh project.

2:07:38

So, I just want to

2:07:42

commend her for the job that she's done

2:07:45

since she's been here.

2:07:55

>> You know, I want to say thank you for

2:07:58

being willing to step in

2:08:01

and learn whatever skills you

2:08:04

didn't know.

2:08:06

That speaks volumes. I know uh

2:08:10

I'm military.

2:08:12

I'm a nurse.

2:08:15

You know, I have done other

2:08:18

um

2:08:20

jobs since, you know, coming here, prior

2:08:24

to coming here. And there are skills

2:08:27

that I have to learn to perform my job

2:08:30

as a public servant and I am willing and

2:08:33

I am doing them. So,

2:08:35

um

2:08:36

having a learning curve

2:08:38

is not a bad thing, but it's important

2:08:42

that

2:08:43

we're willing and I'm thankful to you

2:08:46

that you have been willing to serve the

2:08:48

residents as you have. So, thank you.

2:08:52

>> Thank you. Thank you. If there are no

2:08:54

further questions, comments, or concerns

2:08:57

related to resolution Councilman

2:08:59

Rodriguez.

2:09:00

>> Thank you, Madam President. Um I guess

2:09:02

this question could be for either

2:09:03

Antonio or Solicitor Grover. Just wanted

2:09:06

to address the

2:09:09

the possible detriment if any. Um let's

2:09:11

say if Ms. Glorimar Martin Roberts does

2:09:14

not get the affirmation, how long do you

2:09:16

project uh a possible rehiring and how

2:09:19

long of a backlog of work do you foresee

2:09:21

that becoming?

2:09:24

Antonio or Solicitor Grover.

2:09:27

>> Um I mean, it's impossible to know how

2:09:28

long it would take for it to hire

2:09:30

someone. I can say that uh it's uh it's

2:09:33

a rare person you come by that has the

2:09:34

skills to be able to navigate both a

2:09:37

municipal government and the federal

2:09:39

government and create a good

2:09:40

relationship with HUD and stop the the

2:09:42

potential of losing our funding and try

2:09:44

to build a relationship on that. So, um

2:09:47

it would take some time. I can't give a

2:09:49

timeline. As far as work, um again, this

2:09:52

would probably back us up months at a

2:09:54

minimum because uh it would we'd have to

2:09:56

figure out uh what we can and cannot do

2:09:59

without a director for the HUD money and

2:10:01

uh

2:10:02

who would be in charge of which sections

2:10:03

of that, who how do we spend it, what

2:10:06

what policies are remain in place, don't

2:10:08

remain in place. I mean, it just all

2:10:08

depends. Uh I don't have any like direct

2:10:11

answers for that. This would have This

2:10:13

would obviously have to involve

2:10:14

conversations with HUD, but I expect at

2:10:16

least several months.

2:10:17

>> Several. All right. That's all I have.

2:10:18

Thank you.

2:10:18

>> Was that an appropriate question for the

2:10:21

special assistant in the business

2:10:23

administrator's office to respond to

2:10:25

Solicitor Grover?

2:10:30

>> Oh, I'm sorry.

2:10:31

>> Well, she's standing outside.

2:10:37

>> I believe the question was put to him if

2:10:39

he could advise how long it would take.

2:10:43

I think it anyone can just take a guess

2:10:45

at how long it would take.

2:10:46

>> Okay, thank you. There are no further

2:10:48

questions

2:10:50

for Ms. Martin Roberts?

2:10:53

>> I I don't have a question. It's probably

2:10:56

more of a comment. I

2:11:00

And it's been said and I know Mr. Kelly

2:11:01

stood up and he um also spoke on how you

2:11:05

have been on City Council. Mayor

2:11:07

Williams has been on City Council. Both

2:11:09

of you have been presidents

2:11:11

of City Council. Correct? I'm not wrong,

2:11:14

right? Okay.

2:11:17

And I think I think the thing that gets

2:11:19

me the most if is you both have stood in

2:11:21

these leadership positions.

2:11:24

And

2:11:26

if any mayor

2:11:29

had waited 600 odd days to bring down a

2:11:34

confirmation to you.

2:11:38

I know you all would have been livid.

2:11:42

You would have stood your ground. You

2:11:44

would have asked why they didn't come

2:11:46

down.

2:11:48

And I think what gets me the most is you

2:11:52

want us to

2:11:54

not stand our ground. You want us to

2:11:57

allow it to happen. You want us to allow

2:11:59

the law to be broken and it's okay.

2:12:03

And

2:12:04

I respect you as coming in to help our

2:12:08

department when our um

2:12:11

former building and housing director had

2:12:14

stepped aside.

2:12:16

And I remember you and I had a

2:12:17

conversation and I said, "Thank you for

2:12:19

coming in to help because if the mayor

2:12:21

called you in to help, please,

2:12:23

we need it." But I never knew when the

2:12:25

role turned in from being acting and

2:12:28

helping to now it's permanent, but we're

2:12:31

not going to send her down to be

2:12:33

confirmed. Why? I don't know.

2:12:36

And now you're coming down because the

2:12:39

mayor was held in contempt. And once

2:12:42

again, we're being asked to do something

2:12:45

you all would have never allowed to

2:12:47

happen under Mayor Reed, under Pat

2:12:49

Fennell, under anybody.

2:12:53

>> May I ask for a response to that?

2:12:54

Because I don't think it's fair that you

2:12:58

believe

2:13:00

what I would do or not do.

2:13:02

>> Oh, you're right. You You You know what?

2:13:03

You may have not took a stand at all.

2:13:06

So, you did That's true. You are right.

2:13:08

I cannot assume that you would have

2:13:10

stood up and

2:13:12

defended

2:13:14

the law in that way. That's I That's

2:13:16

correct, and I do apologize for assuming

2:13:18

that of you. I did assume that, so I

2:13:20

will I will retract that, and I will

2:13:22

leave that comment where it is. I just

2:13:24

figured since and that's my assumption,

2:13:27

and people tell me, "Don't assume. Don't

2:13:29

assume."

2:13:30

That because you are the legislative

2:13:32

branch, you also checks and balance, and

2:13:35

when something's unbalanced, you check

2:13:37

it, especially when it comes to the law.

2:13:39

So, I do apologize. I don't have any

2:13:41

comments. Thank you.

2:13:42

>> Thank you.

2:13:46

>> I will entertain a motion to resume our

2:13:49

legislative session.

2:13:51

>> So moved.

2:13:51

>> Is there a second?

2:13:52

>> Second.

2:13:53

>> Thank you. Before us, we have Resolution

2:13:56

17 of 2026. Mr. Truesdale, could you

2:13:59

please read it into the record one last

2:14:01

time?

2:14:05

>> Resolution 17, 2026. A resolution

2:14:09

confirming the appointment of Gloria

2:14:10

Morgan Roberts to serve as director of

2:14:13

the Department of Building and Housing

2:14:15

Development for the city of Harrisburg.

2:14:17

>> Thank you. Council members, are there

2:14:19

any final questions, comments, or

2:14:21

concerns related to resolution 17 of

2:14:25

2026?

2:14:26

>> Yes, I have a comment.

2:14:28

>> Vice President Jones.

2:14:29

>> Thank you.

2:14:30

Um

2:14:31

my comment is this, simple as this.

2:14:34

I'm going to reintroduce myself to my

2:14:36

city.

2:14:37

My name is Lamont Jones.

2:14:39

I am not fearful of anyone, of their

2:14:42

votes, or anything that of that nature.

2:14:45

I came here for a reason, to do a job. I

2:14:49

said I would do it with fidelity.

2:14:51

I said I would uphold our city's

2:14:54

uh codes, our state's constitution, and

2:14:56

also the government's constitution. I've

2:14:59

been to a place where I have broken the

2:15:01

law, and I have been held accountable.

2:15:04

I've took myself and cleaned myself up,

2:15:08

and fought. I did not ask permission to

2:15:10

be a part of the status quo.

2:15:14

I did not ask permission to be a part of

2:15:17

the status quo.

2:15:19

And it showed when I went to court in my

2:15:21

community that I stood in for 10 years

2:15:24

on these playgrounds, in these schools,

2:15:27

with no money

2:15:29

to support this community and these

2:15:30

children.

2:15:32

I was attacked online

2:15:34

during my mayoral campaign.

2:15:37

I will be attacked again when I run for

2:15:40

re-election next year. I am totally

2:15:42

aware,

2:15:44

yet I am not afraid.

2:15:47

I know

2:15:49

that if some of the people that are in

2:15:51

this room today,

2:15:53

I got to give you respect for your

2:15:55

30-plus years of service

2:15:58

of this community.

2:16:00

As I shared with you, Madam Mayor,

2:16:02

I am only standing on your shoulders.

2:16:05

When you saw that Mayor Reed was out of

2:16:08

line,

2:16:09

you stood up.

2:16:11

And I commend you because that's what we

2:16:12

need. That's what leadership is. You

2:16:14

can't be afraid. You can't be the only

2:16:17

leader. You have to create more.

2:16:19

You have to create more.

2:16:22

And I just think that the respect level

2:16:25

has been this It's a lot of disrespect

2:16:27

that's been happening in our community

2:16:29

from both sides.

2:16:31

And I do not want to disrespect you.

2:16:34

This is nothing you're going to hear

2:16:35

online cuz I don't post.

2:16:38

I'm saying to you, I have the utmost

2:16:40

respect to you and in your servitude for

2:16:42

our city.

2:16:44

But I cannot support this resolution for

2:16:46

the disrespect that was held for this

2:16:48

body.

2:16:49

For this body, not for LaMont Jones.

2:16:53

For this body

2:16:54

that has been overlooked, circumvented,

2:16:58

and disrespected.

2:17:01

You were council president. I watched

2:17:03

you serve, not in those times, but I

2:17:05

went back and did my own work.

2:17:08

And I watched who sat here.

2:17:11

And we would not be here today

2:17:14

if some of those individuals stood up

2:17:17

when Mayor Reed took us into a $600

2:17:21

million deficit.

2:17:23

This is a seat of of a vanguard.

2:17:26

We are protecting the taxpayers'

2:17:28

dollars.

2:17:31

And I just want to say again to my

2:17:32

community, I am sorry that we had to go

2:17:35

through all of this only to get a

2:17:38

resolution

2:17:40

to this community to to properly confirm

2:17:44

advice and consent an individual that

2:17:48

was appointed, which was

2:17:50

well within the mayor's power.

2:17:53

The mayor has a tough job.

2:17:55

City Council has a tough job, but you

2:17:57

can't be afraid and you can't bend down

2:18:00

in the face of adversity.

2:18:03

You have to stand up.

2:18:05

So, today

2:18:07

I I my apology is to the community.

2:18:11

That's all I'm going to apologize for,

2:18:13

but my vote I cannot support it just for

2:18:15

the disrespect and the way we did not

2:18:18

follow the law in this position in this

2:18:20

particular situation. When I did not

2:18:22

follow the law, I served time in a state

2:18:25

penitentiary for it.

2:18:27

And I couldn't take nobody with me. I

2:18:29

had to go on my own.

2:18:32

So, today I'm just saying this is I'm

2:18:34

not doing this I'm not doing this for

2:18:36

for for cheers or anything. This is real

2:18:39

serious to me because I am tired of our

2:18:41

community going through this. Why us? We

2:18:44

have a a black administration, we have a

2:18:46

black council. We have to stop fighting

2:18:49

like this and move our city.

2:18:52

Move our city. That's it. That's all I

2:18:54

ask. I have no more things to say.

2:18:58

>> Thank you. Are there any other comments

2:19:01

related to resolution 17 of 2026?

2:19:06

I have one, so please bear with me.

2:19:09

Ms. Gloria Martin Roberts was hired on

2:19:11

June 4th, 2024.

2:19:14

On June

2:19:16

June 3rd, 2024. On June 4th, 2024, Ms.

2:19:20

Gloria Martin Roberts participated in a

2:19:22

work session where she introduced

2:19:24

herself as the interim director of

2:19:26

economic development and building and

2:19:28

housing.

2:19:30

She was present to discuss at that time

2:19:32

resolution 28 of 2024,

2:19:35

which was a resolution appointing her to

2:19:38

serve on the board of directors of the

2:19:40

Harrisburg Housing Authority, where she

2:19:42

received a unanimous vote of seven to

2:19:45

zero.

2:19:47

As of today, Tuesday, March 10th, 2026,

2:19:50

Ms. Gloria Martin Roberts has been

2:19:52

serving as the interim director of the

2:19:56

building and housing and economic

2:19:58

development for the city of Harrisburg

2:20:00

for 645 days, 21 months, and 92 weeks.

2:20:05

I would like to note a list

2:20:08

of dates

2:20:09

and invitations that were extended to

2:20:11

Ms. Martin-Roberts to attend and

2:20:13

participate in Harrisburg City Council

2:20:16

meetings. I've shared this list before,

2:20:18

but I think it is pertinent to tonight's

2:20:20

discussion. On June 4th, 2024, there was

2:20:24

a work session.

2:20:26

Ms. Gloria Martin-Roberts confirmed her

2:20:29

attendance and she participated. On

2:20:32

July 2nd, 2024, there was a work session

2:20:36

regarding resolution 41 of 2025,

2:20:40

which discussed the 2024 annual action

2:20:43

plan. She confirmed her attendance.

2:20:46

July 30th, 2024,

2:20:50

there was a special legislative session

2:20:52

to discuss the annual action plan. She

2:20:54

confirmed her attendance. On September

2:20:57

3rd, 2024, there was a work session

2:21:00

where resolution 47 of 2024

2:21:03

was discussed. She cited having a

2:21:05

commitment that evening

2:21:08

of September 3rd and she was unable to

2:21:11

attend.

2:21:12

On September 10th, 2024, there was a

2:21:15

legislative session where resolution 47

2:21:19

of 2024

2:21:20

was discussed further. She confirmed her

2:21:23

attendance. September 17th, 2024 work

2:21:26

session, this was ARPA funds update. She

2:21:29

cited a prior arrangement to attend

2:21:32

another program elsewhere. She could not

2:21:35

participate. This This meeting was

2:21:37

specifically to discuss ARPA funding

2:21:39

that was in the

2:21:42

building and housing department. October

2:21:44

1st, 2024, we extended a work session

2:21:48

invitation to discuss the status updates

2:21:50

on ARPA programs. Saahir Willingham

2:21:53

emailed noting that Miss Martin-Roberts

2:21:56

was not well, would not be able to

2:21:58

attend. However, she had previously

2:22:00

confirmed her attendance on September

2:22:03

27th, 2024.

2:22:06

A work session held on December 9th,

2:22:08

2024 to discuss Bill 9 of 2024,

2:22:12

that was the Alerta extension, she

2:22:14

confirmed her attendance. December 12th,

2:22:17

2024, that was a bill budget hearing,

2:22:20

she confirmed her attendance.

2:22:23

January 7th, 2025,

2:22:26

there was a work session invitation

2:22:27

extended to discuss activities related

2:22:30

to ARPA funding.

2:22:32

The former business administrator

2:22:35

responded stating that interim director

2:22:38

Martin-Roberts would not be attending,

2:22:41

and she provided detailed

2:22:43

a detailed written report for Q3 of 2024

2:22:48

in her quarterly report.

2:22:52

July 1st, 2025, annual action plan

2:22:55

invitation. Interim director

2:22:57

Martin-Roberts noted inability to attend

2:23:00

due to a previously scheduled vacation.

2:23:04

July 29th, 2025, special legislative

2:23:08

session. This was to discuss the 2025

2:23:12

annual action plan, she confirmed her

2:23:14

attendance. September 10th, 2025, there

2:23:17

was a special policy work session

2:23:19

related to ARPA funding, she attended.

2:23:22

December 8th, 2025, a budget hearing,

2:23:26

she attended. December 9th, 2025, a work

2:23:29

session discussing Bill 14 of 2025,

2:23:33

Alerta

2:23:34

extension, she confirmed her attendance.

2:23:38

I will be voting no on this resolution

2:23:41

simply because

2:23:43

it's a violation of the law. 645

2:23:46

days, 21 months, and 92 weeks in an

2:23:50

interim director role. It's merely

2:23:53

unacceptable and I just don't understand

2:23:55

and nobody can answer my question as to

2:23:58

why it took a motion for contempt for

2:24:01

Ms. Gloria Martin Roberts to come before

2:24:03

council for a vote.

2:24:05

Mr. Truesdale, call the vote.

2:24:09

>> Ms. Davis?

2:24:10

>> Yes.

2:24:12

>> Ms. Green?

2:24:13

>> Yes.

2:24:15

>> Mr. Jones?

2:24:16

>> Nay.

2:24:18

>> Mr. Lawson?

2:24:19

>> Yes.

2:24:22

>> Ms. Rose?

2:24:23

>> No, because the law was violated.

2:24:26

>> Mr. Rodriguez?

2:24:27

>> Yes.

2:24:29

>> Ms. Hill?

2:24:31

>> No.

2:24:32

>> Resolution 17 of 2026 passes by vote of

2:24:35

four to three.

2:24:44

>> Is there any old business for

2:24:46

discussion?

2:24:48

Any new business? The time is 8:27 p.m.

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I will entertain a motion to adjourn.

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>> So moved.

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>> Is there a second?

2:24:55

>> Second.

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>> We stand adjourned.

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>> No, it's over.

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