Harrisburg City Council - Work Session 06/17/2025

call our work session to order. Thank

you for your patience. We were

experiencing some technical

difficulties.

Mr. Trudale, could you please call the

role?

Miss Daniels.

Miss Davis, present.

Miss Green, present. Mr. Jones, here.

Miss Rose, present. Oh, present. Mr.

Rodriguez, present. Miss Hill, present.

Thank you.

We have a number of committee business

items this evening. We will begin with

the administration committee. We have

three resolutions for discussion. The

first resolution 34 of 2025.

Mr. Trudale, could you please read it

into the record?

Resolution 34, 2025, a resolution

appointing Yavon Marie Jackson to serve

as a member of the board of the

Harrisburg Housing Authority. Thank you.

We have resolution 35 of 2025. Mr.

Trudale, could you please read it into

the record? Resolution 35, 2025, a

resolution appointing Laura Robinson to

serve as a member of the board of the

Harrisburg Housing Authority. Thank you.

Um, I would like to discuss both

resolution 34 of 2025 and resolution 35

of 2025 together. Um,

are Miss Jackson and Miss Robinson

present? Thank you. If you wouldn't mind

coming over here to this microphone,

please.

Yes, please.

Good evening, ladies. Thank you for

joining us this evening. if you wouldn't

mind taking a few minutes just to

introduce yourselves.

Can you hear me from here? No. Can you

move the mic? You have to move me now.

Yes, that's better. Thank you. My name

is Ivonne Marie Jackson.

I'm a Harrisburg resident all my life.

I've worked for Highark Blue Shield for

31 years.

I've worked for the American Legion for

almost 15 years.

I've had other jobs, too.

Um, I'm a resident of Jackson Towers on

North Sixth Street,

and I would like to be a member to help

our seniors in our building.

Thank you.

Hello, my name is Laura Corey Robinson.

Um, I've been a resident and living in

Harrisburg for the last 56 years, which

is all of my life. Um, I've worked at

the post office for 16 years. Later left

office and transferred over to DDSP

um, logistics over in New Cumberland,

I'm sorry. And I worked there until I

retired in 21. And I've of course I've

had other jobs off and on here and

there. Um I would like to become a

member to not only help our community

and to address some of the issues. Um

being as though I used to live in

Mcclelay Street apartments. I seen how

it was then, how it is now, and I am

very dissatisfied on that. So, I would

like to be able to help the community so

we can make a better living space for

some of our lowincome people and, you

know, get it together the way it should

have been a long time ago.

Thank you. Thank you both very much. Um,

I don't have any questions. I'm going to

open the floor to my colleagues who may

have some additional questions for you.

Um, I'd like to begin with our building

and housing committee chair,

Councilwoman Davis. Any questions? Thank

you. Thank you, President Hill. Good

evening,

Miss Jackson and Miss Robinson. Thank

you for being here this evening and

thank you for your willingness to serve

our seniors. Um, they're my passion.

Also,

Miss Jackson,

what specifically do you believe that

you can do to help? or is there anything

in particular that you're wanting to see

done within the Harrisburg Housing

Authority? Anything in particular?

Personally, I would like for the housing

authority to listen to our seniors to

let them know exactly what they need.

One problem I do have at the moment, we

have no evacuation plan for Jackson

Towers and that really upsets me.

We have bought it up many times when the

other CEO was in charge and nothing was

done.

And we have a lot of people in

wheelchairs, walkers.

Also,

I want our community to really become a

community. You know, we have some

stagment within our building.

You know, it's no offense. The blacks

are here, the Puerto Ricans are here. I

want us all to come together

and our residents relations, excuse me,

they help somewhat, but they also make

many mistakes

and I just want to help our people.

Thank you. And you're you mentioned your

building. What building are you? I'm in

Jackson Towers. Jackson Towers. Okay.

Okay, thank you, Miss Robinson. Same

question.

Um, for me, I I want to help not just

Jackson Towers, like all of our low

income. I ride through the city all the

time. I I see where a lot of our

lowincome properties, you know, aren't

being upkept. You You know, I I visit

quite a few people and talk to them. You

see the some of the maintenance problems

aren't being addressed, you know. So, I

want to make sure that we can have them

in there where they can live, where they

can come to start coming to some of

these type of meetings where there are

problems where they can address the

board themselves, you know, so

therefore, you know, we can try to get

some things done. Um,

I I don't know what the city's been

doing thus far as far as, you know,

everything that they do as far as making

sure that the properties are up kept and

managed well, but I don't from the looks

of the buildings. It's it's just

horrible. It's horrible. Like I said, I

I used to live there and you see so much

damage and I just want to get us back so

we as a not only as a community because

a lot of times some of the crime comes

from those very neighborhoods. So if

they don't you know if your living

conditions aren't right it it's

horrible. I mean, I can just from where

I live at now, I recently went outside

and did a lot of work outside. And the

one thing that I noticed is all the

neighbors talked about how lovely it

looks, you know, how if if you give a

person I I firmly believe if you give a

person a place that they can be prideful

in, they'll take better care of it, you

know. So, I I want to do everything I

can. I don't know all of the ins and

outs of it. I've been, you know, reading

up and trying to learn, you know,

because I want to be able to give back

to my community. Almost every job I've

ever had, I I try to give back. So, I'm

retired now, so I I really want to dig

in and be able to help the city as much

as we can.

Okay. Thank you very much. Um,

can I have both of your contact

information before you leave for either

at the end of this meeting? Um,

we have had some difficulties in other

buildings and those problems were

addressed. Let me assure you that the

city does care. Um, so thank you for

coming down again and I will work with

you from here going forward as the chair

of the building and housing committee.

Thank you so much. Thank you for your

time. Thank you, President.

Thank you. Uh, Councilwoman Daniels, not

sure if you can hear us. If you can, do

you have any questions?

Okay, I know she's experiencing some

audio issues. She wanted to try the

first round of questioning. Um, Vice

President Green, any questions? Thank

you, President Hill. Thank you both for

being here tonight. Uh thank you for

your willingness to serve. Uh you know,

it takes a a special person to be

willing to volunteer their time to to

help their community. So, thank you for

even reaching out and wanting to do

this. I don't really have many

questions. The one question is how did

you hear about the board and why did you

want to join?

I just heard word of mouth within our

building.

Uh I'm not saying I'm a nosy person, but

I just happen to hear it. So I said,

"Why not try?"

I heard from someone that previously

used to be on the board. Um, we used to

talk a lot about a lot of the things and

some of the complaints she would have

and she would talk to me about it and

and she had told me that she was, you

know, going to step down or I'm not sure

of her specifics because she didn't go

into great detail on why she left, but I

just looked at it as an opportunity to

be able to give back. And so I said,

well, I'm going inquire about it and see

what I can do and if anywhere I can

help.

Thank you very much. That's the only

questions I have. Okay. Thank you,

Councilwoman Ros. Any questions? Thank

you, President Hill. Good evening to you

both. I'm happy to see you both here.

You are both staples in our community

and um it's good to be nosy, so that's

okay.

Um actually, the question that I did

have or both of mine were asked and

answered. I think that you both would

bring a great deal to the um housing

committee or the housing board. I think

um especially since you live in some of

these facilities or you have lived in

the affordable housing um that you would

be able to bring not only your

perspective but your experience and then

you hold relationships with people who

are there and I I agree as well that um

if you are given nice things if you are

shown what to do you will protect those

things because they're important to you

and that where you live doesn't dictate

how it should look. Um, that's a big

thing and I think those are changes that

we can make and um, having an evacuation

plan is definitely important. So, thank

you for bringing that up. Um, so, um, I

don't have any questions. I want to

thank you both for coming here and being

willing to volunteer on this board

because that's what we need. So, thank

you.

Thank you, Councilman Rodriguez. Any

questions? Thank you, Madam President.

Uh thank you Miss Jackson and Miss

Robinson for your willingness to serve

um in any capacity on the board.

Sometimes it could be challenging but

your passion rains through and your

words and your testimony. So I thank

you. Um not too many questions just one

for each of you. Uh if you can let's say

focus in on one objective that you want

to accomplish during your tenure on the

board. What would that be? We can start

with Miss Jackson

is to get the city to listen

and to try to help us maintain our

building to keep it beautiful

and to help our seniors.

That's my main concern, a senior because

I am a senior. Thank you for that.

For me, the main objective would be for

all across that everybody has affordable

housing that they can afford. That's uh

of course is never going to be no place

all maintenancefree, but where it's

where the building is upkept, you know,

up to codes and have, you know, a decent

place to stay because you have not only

your seniors, you have a lot of children

in these places, you know, where we can

try to get them together where we don't

have to worry about so much of the crime

or someone getting hurt living in their

own home because there's things that

need to be fixed. Thank you. Thank you

um both and uh look forward to working

with you in the near future. Thank you.

Thank you, Councilman Jones. Any

questions? Oh, yes. How are you this

evening? Good. Seemed like I just talked

to you guys.

Um my question is uh more so for Mr.

Grover. um there won't be any conflict

of interest but you see any conflict of

interest with her being a resident at

as and I haven't read in a little while

so my my memory is not perfect but I

believe the particular statute for the

housing authority actually requires one

of the members to be a resident so we're

required to so so the residents have a

say okay and I don't want to re thank

you I don't want to reiterate but you

know I I would like

a clear answer on the why.

The why. The why. The why. Not the YMCA.

I know. I know.

My why is because I am a senior.

And I want us to live

just as good as anyone else.

And to have the the uh what's the word

I'm looking for?

the

things to do that other people can do

and enjoy it. Like I know we we do have

a board now finally in Jackson Towers.

So we're working on that now. And I got

to ask you this. Is that a conflict of

interest? Because I'm the treasurer on

the board at Jackson Towers. Would that

be a conflict of interest? It's a legal

question. Yeah. I I think you have to

ask that question to the solicitor for

the board. There may be things you have

to recuse yourself from when you vote,

but but the solicitor for that board

could tell you that.

For me, the why is because I once, like

I said, it stated earlier on, I once

stayed in uh low housing. Um, I'm a

definite product of how things can turn

around where you're no longer living in

sub subsidized housing. For me, I stayed

there. I mean, it was a great way to be

able to now be in the process of buying

my home. You know, I look at how good it

when it first when I first moved in MAC

Street Apartments, it was absolutely

beautiful. Um, the doors were secured.

you know, you didn't have to worry about

people coming into the buildings. Even

out the southside, like I have a friend

that lives out there and and those

projects. And at the time, you know,

when they first started, they were all

beautiful. Now, everything seems to all

of the low incomes around here seems to

be run down on top of rundown. the

maintenance, you have maintenance issues

galore, you know, and I I just feel as

though they if we don't have the right

people in play to be able to solve solve

these things, come to you all and be

able to solve these things, it's only

going to get worse. So, for me, the why

is because I think people can really do

what what it was set up originally to

do, be able to be a stepping stone to go

to the next level in your life.

Okay. And my other thing would be um um

I could hear passion in both of you when

in regards to um some of the housing

situations as we see in the city of

Harrisburg, but I would also want to

make sure that we're not going to just

rubber stamp anything. Oh, no. No. Look,

that's what I'm saying. Accountability

is is is serious. you know, this is a um

a big role, you know, and we want to

make sure, just like you said, that if

you see these conditions and you see

something going wrong, that you are

willing to stand up and and use your

voice and be vocal for everyone else as

well. Um, no matter what side it's

coming from, you want to make sure that

we're holding people accountable, and

that's my concerns. All right. For me, I

al I agree with you wholeheartedly. Um,

anyone that knows me, of course I know

none of you really know me well, but I'm

a standup person. Can't nobody get in my

ear, I'm going to do what's right for

the community as a whole because I I'm

I'm a part of that community. And it

even though I may not live in low income

housing at this moment, but it affects

all of us because if it starts there and

it comes at some point, it's going to

come out of that neighborhood. So yeah,

accountability. I think everyone should

be held accountable. If you do

something, you know, you see something,

you say something.

All right, no further questions.

Thank you. Let's try again. Councilwoman

Daniels, do you have any questions?

Yes, you're unmuted, but we can't hear

you. I'm sorry.

Are you interested in calling in?

I don't know. She can hear us.

just whether the nominees could um flag

areas of conflicts of interest.

Me neither.

They neither of them have conflicts of

interest.

Okay, thank you.

I just wanted to review um two things

before we um move these resolutions.

The housing authorities law as amended

provides for a five member board made up

of residents of the city who shall serve

staggered five-year terms under the

statutory framework provided through the

housing authorities

law. The current staggered terms of

board seats should expire in 2025,

2026,

2027,

2028, in 2029.

So, I just wanted to note um and remind

everyone that there are three current

board members. Miss Gloria Martin

Roberts was appointed through resolution

28 of 2024 and her term expires on June

30th, 2029.

Miss Sheila Bennett was appointed

through resolution 46 of 2022

and her term expires on June 30th, 2027.

Mr. Jackary Zachary Jackson was

appointed through resolution 29 of 2024

and his term expires on June 30th, 2026.

Um so the two openings

will end in 2025 and 2028.

Um but

um as you notice the expiration dates

are June 30th. So the person appointed

for June 30th, 2025,

your term is going to end in 2030

because otherwise you would only be

appointed for like 5 days.

So I just wanted to note the the term

the expiration uh dates for the the two

ladies. Um, Miss Robinson, your term

will expire um in 2030. And then Miss

Jackson, your term will expire in 2028.

Okay. So, just wanted if God's willing.

God's willing. He is. So, um, I just

wanted to note that for your reference.

Are there any other questions, comments,

or concerns related to resolutions 34

and 35 of 2025? Yes, President Hill. Um,

I just wanted to ask, have you reached

out to any other organizations for any

assistance or anything? Just curious.

When you say reached out to any

organizations, you mean as far as for

this um within the city for help with um

some of the um problems that

you're experiencing?

Well, all I know is I had a meeting with

the housing authority maybe a year ago

and like I said, Senor was still in

charge and

nothing seemed to

it went above their heads cuz Senor knew

he was leaving

and the person in charge now he he just

sat there. He he didn't have much to say

at all. And we asked about the

evacuation plan then and nothing has

been done. Nothing.

Thank you for that information. Thank

you again for coming. Thank you.

Thank you, ladies. Uh, I move to add

resolution 34 of 2025 and resolution 35

of 2025 to our next legislative session

agenda for a formal vote. Thank you for

joining us this evening. Thank you. Next

for discussion, we have resolution 44 of

2025. Mr. Trudale, could you please read

it into the record?

Resolution 44, 2022, a resolution

authorizing the city of Harrisburg to

negotiate and enter into an access

control agreement with the Commonwealth

of Pennsylvania acting through the

Department of General Services for that

portion of Giger Street situated between

Front and Second Streets in the city of

Harrisburg.

Thank you.

Good evening, gentlemen. You going to

provide an overview of resolution 44 of

2025, please?

I think they need the people who wrote

it to do the overview. Oh, sorry. I

didn't know. They just they're the

appropriate people to talk about the

street and the process. Um but but as

the council's aware, a number of

officials from the state reached out to

a number of officials from the city

about closing that street after the uh

firebombing of the governor's mansion.

Um they have in fact already blocked it

off um plus part of the property on the

other side of that street uh for

whatever renovations they're doing. Um

the formal document from DGS is a is a

security and maintenance agreement that

they will take responsibility for

security and maintenance of that

property. Um uh from between front and

second street in order to better secure

the mansion. I think Joel could talk

about where that goes into like the city

street maps. Sam can talk about the

mayor's uh authorization to move

forward.

Okay. Thank you. Um let's begin with the

mayor's authorization please to move

forward with this request. Yeah I just

Sam Sakovski BIS interim business

administrator just want to express that

the mayor is in 100% supportive of this

um um process and I think she's she

thinks it's very important that that the

state is able to secure the mansion

concerning what happened. So, uh, we

encourage the council to, uh, city

council to fully support this and she's

on behalf on on board 100%. So, thank

you. Good evening. Joel Slater, city

engineer. Uh, Geiger Street from Front

Street to Second Street is a relatively

unused alleyway. I I don't see any issue

from a transportation standpoint of

having that closed for a a long-term

solution. Um,

and agreements such as this are similar

to agreements between the Commonwealth

and the city for numerous other things

throughout the city such as uh

maintenance and and utility agreements.

So, this is really nothing new on on the

city's behalf and as

um steward of the the rightway, I also

uh support this endeavor.

Thank you very much. It seems like a

no-brainer to me in an effort to um

collaborate with the Commonwealth to

protect our governor. So, I don't have

any other questions or comments. I will

open the floor to questions from my

colleagues. I'll begin with our public

safety committee chair, Councilman

Jones. Do you have any questions? No.

Thank you, President Hill. Of course, it

would fall on me. Public safety, right?

Uh, no. The only thing I see though

there for some, and I can't really

picture the street,

uh, Geer, I mean, where you want to

block it off at. Um, but I'm I'm looking

at one of the uh the conditions that if

for some reason we may need the street

again, we can reverse this. Right.

So, no further questions. We will all be

judged by this. Yeah. Right. For some

strange reason, I said thank you. No

further question. Councilman Rodriguez,

any questions? Thank you, Madam

President. No questions for me. Thank

you. Okay. Councilwoman Ross, any

questions? Thank you, President Hill.

evening to you both. Thank you for being

here this evening. Um I don't have any

questions. It's there to um further

secure the governor. So there's no

questions for me. Thank you, Vice

President Green. Any questions? Thank

you for being here tonight. I don't have

any questions. Thank you,

Councilwoman Davis. Any questions?

Thank you, President Hill. No questions.

Thank you. And I believe we've lost

Councilwoman Daniels by Zoom and by

phone, so I don't believe she had any

questions. Well, if there is no further

discussion, I move to add resolution 44

of 2025 to our next legislative session

agenda for a formal vote. This concludes

the business of the administration

committee.

Oh, next we have community and economic

development.

We will begin discussion with resolution

56 of 2024.

Mr. Trudale, could you please read it

into the record? Resolution

56, 2024, a resolution approving the

preliminaryfinal

subdivision and land development plan

submitted by Midtown Redevelopment LLC

to consolidate and subdivide various

vacant parcels into multiple project

sites to develop single family and

multifamily dwellings, commercial space,

and accessory parking along with

associated improvements in the area

bound by Riley Street, Falton Street,

Safeford Street, and James Street.

Thank you. Good evening, Mr. Knight. Um,

if you wouldn't mind providing a brief

overview of resolution 56 of 2024,

please. Sure. Um, and to catch council

up as to, you know, how we got here. Uh,

this was, um, reviewed initially at the

planning commission meeting at the same

time as the capital town homes, uh,

which I believe council reviewed at the

end of last year or November, I think.

Um at the time uh however um the

applicant uh was not able to attend the

meeting and kind of um granted or

requested a indefinite continuence of

the case and um so that's gotten back us

back to where we are now uh back on the

agenda. Um and uh this uh project is uh

similar to uh the Capitol Town Homes uh

project uh but it has a few differences.

Um it involves a uh development across

uh seven different blocks um on 11

different project sites. Um, so in that

way it's uh uh similar to uh the capital

town town homes one uh sorry Capital

Heights um but it also uh includes um

some uh uh commercial uh standalone

commercial components um and uh it's a

bit more uh integrated within an

existing um community neighborhood uh

where it's more bit more of an infill

than uh on big vacant blocks. Um and so

uh this particular project uh involves

the um development of uh 62 units across

23 individual buildings and

approximately 5,500 ft of commercial

space. Uh there are three uh multif

family dwelling 12 unit multif family

dwellings uh within um the project

footprint. Uh all of them are kind of

fronting onto Cder Street. Uh there are

also uh three separate blocks of um or

sorry two yeah three separate blocks of

uh town homes uh six town homes each. Um

and then there's a uh food hall I guess

would be the best way to say it. Um

fronting on Safeford Street uh at the

southern end of the project site. Um and

a 44 space parking lot uh directly

adjacent to that. Uh the project did go

through uh again at the same time as the

capital town homes had similar uh zoning

relief requests for um the use for

encroachment into setbacks uh for some

relief from off streetet parking. Um

although uh a majority of the parking um

is provided in that large uh 44 space

parking lot and that was designed to

kind of limit the amount of curb cuts on

um the different uh project sites areas.

Uh and also to ensure that the um land

was being used in the most efficient way

possible for building footprints and

yards instead of just little parking

pads and and curb cuts and driveways

everywhere. Um uh overall um again the

project will add about 62 units um in

scattered sites across uh the two blocks

uh just to the north of um where Safford

Street is. So a little bit north of uh

the uh Broad Street Market area. Um and

um it will hopefully uh bring about uh

some uh new uh development there that

allows the residents of the homes to be

supportive of uh the various uh

businesses in the area um including the

Broad Street Market. Uh when that uh

gets up and uh reconstructed uh this

will help uh to um ensure that the

vendors can get back on their feet uh

hopefully in a uh more uh timely manner.

Um the planning commission recommended

that city council approved the request

uh with the following conditions. Uh the

applicant should design all the proposed

residential units within the project to

be at least visitable if not fully ADA

accessible including as aspects such as

zeroep entries for the proposed town

homes. Uh to ensure the units are

accessible to as much of the population

as possible. Uh the applicants should

ensure that all new vehicular access

points feature a driveway curbcut design

as opposed to a street curbcut design.

Um and that's pretty common across uh

the various developments that the

planning bureau reviews. Uh the

applicants will coordinate with the

department with the city engineers

office on new or reconstructed sidewalks

and pedestrian markings such as

crosswalks. Uh the planning bureau

recommends that the applicants construct

sidewalks the full width of the public

rightway along Cder Street and North uh

Fourth Street specifically. And um there

will obviously be uh this will obviously

generate significant amount of new

pedestrian um activity um especially on

Calder Street because many of the uh

project sites front that uh road and uh

ensuring that we have uh both um ADA

compliant sidewalks but also uh new

crosswalk markings and signage where

necessary uh will help the ensure uh

safety of all users of the road. Uh, the

applicant should consider the inclusion

of secure ground flooror bike storage in

the proposed apartment and mixeduse

buildings and will include bike racks

near the entrances of the commercial

components of the project as required

per section 7-327.3E

of the zoning code. Uh, plan B would

recommend that such parking be located

near the main entrance and sheltered if

possible. Uh the applicants will provide

formal landscaping and phototric plans

to inform discussions with the city

arburist and to uh confirm consistency

with the applicable discussions with or

the applicable requirements of the

zoning code uh such as the fence

regulations and the environmental

performance standards. And uh finally

the applicants will coordinate with the

department of public works to uh confirm

the appropriate size, location and

design of refuge collection particularly

for the multif family dwellings and

mixeduse buildings. Obviously, the town

homes would just have single individual

uh bins. Um but the 12-unit um apartment

buildings may require a dumpster or they

may require um a multitude of uh

individual bins. That's kind of up to

the uh uh Department of Public Works and

their ability to access, you know, a

site such as a dumpster. Uh the planning

commission recommends the city council

approve the request for the following

reasons. Uh the applicants have received

approval from the zoning hearing board

for the various relief requests needed

to affectuate the project as proposed

and has met the conditions of those

approvals in the subsequent lot

consolidation and land development

submission. Project will enhance the

character of the neighborhood by

replacing vacant lots which with

buildings that reflect the height,

massing and configuration of the

surrounding community and with

commercial space tailored to small

businesses similar to those along North

Third Street. It will enhance pedestrian

infrastructure throughout the project

area. The proposed residential units,

both the town homes and the apartment

buildings, will feature two-bedroom

units, which are in higher demand than

some of the studio one-bedroom

developments that have been more

commonplace in recent proposals. And

finally, the proposal will add new

residents to the neighborhood and

activate the street and surrounding

community on nights and weekends and

contribute to a growing customer base to

support local businesses.

Okay. Thank you, Mr. Knight. Good

evening. Would you like to add anything

to Mr. Knight's overview?

Good evening. Yes, thank you. My name is

Chris Bryce. I'm the owner of Midtown

Redevelopment. I'm here with my

professional engineer, Christian Koba,

who made it at the last minute. Um, and

uh, no, I agree with everything Jeff

said. We're excited to move forward. Um

we actually um are working with HA to

have the lots transferred over uh

imminently so we can build we we

actually think we can break ground in

November for the first 12 units. So

we're super excited. Um that'll be uh on

uh Calder Street and and so we actually

have plans to do the the first 312 units

in succession. So we we think that we'll

be able to get the first three 12 units

done within the next 12 months and we

sort of have a game plan to move forward

through all of marketplace and Capital

Heights. Um it's been very difficult to

figure this whole thing out but I think

we've kind of cracked the code and now

we're moving forward.

Okay. So I just wanted to Mr. Knight

provided an update of how we arrived

here. So, you think that um I guess the

extension of time provided enough time

for you to revamp your timeline to move

forward with the project? Yeah. Well, we

we had some uh we had a pivot a little

bit. We I had a builder partner who I

lost and uh so now I' I've

board knows Justin Heinley. Justin

Heinley is a uh um is a professional

friend and he's we've worked together

and we found other uh partners to to

work with. I'm always going to be a

member of the team that's building, but

we have other financing, we have um

other interested investors and so that

was sort of the reason for the delay um

to be completely honest with you. No,

thank you. I appreciate that. I just

wanted to clarify and for anyone

listening if they remember the other uh

project. Okay. I don't have any other

questions. I'll open the floor to my

colleagues who may have some additional

questions for either of you. I'll begin

with Councilwoman Davis. Any questions?

Thank you, President Hill. Good evening,

everyone. Thank you for being here today

this evening.

I was just thinking about the residents

that currently live in that

neighborhood. How would this project

affect them? Um,

so this has been going on for a long

time. I don't know if I should be

embarrassed about it or not, but we did

we put a lot of time into meeting with

the neighbors. So, um I think it was

actually during COVID this all started

and we actually put up tents on all of

the building sites and we advertised

that we would be there to ask uh answer

questions and a lot of neighbor

neighbors especially in the marketplace

development came and spoke with us and

we answered their questions. It's all

very transparent because we already have

all the building drawings. So, we

actually had big posters up with the

drawings of the buildings on the lots

that they would be in so people could

visualize it. And um we actually made a

lot of changes because of that input. We

were really we really wanted to go four

stories with some buildings and that was

just not something that the neighborhood

was getting behind. So, we changed to

three stories. but they are um all of a

a

size and shape that fits with the

existing neighborhood and the density is

not much greater than what was there

originally for sure. So because we're

putting town houses where town houses

were we are putting a 12-unit building

where like eight or nine town houses

would have been. So it's not really that

much different than in a matter of fact

the town houses would have had five

bedrooms and these apartments only have

two bedrooms. So and we are providing

parking as well. So, I think actually um

you know, I'm a city resident myself and

I spent a lot of time in Midtown. Um I'm

ecstatic about this. I think we're going

to have market rate building in Midtown

and we haven't had that in 30 years. So,

it's something I think to really um be

happy about.

Okay. Thank you. That's it for me for

now. Thank you. Thank you, Vice

President Green. Any questions? Thank

you very much. I don't have any

questions for you at this time. Thank

you, Councilwoman Ross. Any questions?

Thank you, President Hill. Good evening.

Thank you all for being here. Um, you

touched on what kind of my question was

uh when you said market value. So, I

I'll just extend it. Um, will it be

market value for the apartments or the

town houses or both? So, so we our

overall proposal for Capital Heights and

Marketplace includes a um 10% uh carve

out for um I guess is it low-inccome

housing? Affordable housing. Affordable

housing. Thank you. I apologize. No,

it's okay. And uh so but th those builds

are all in Capital Heights. So the

marketplace is uh all market rate. So

we're starting in Mark. So we want to

focus on the density, the highly dense

area first marketplace. And as I said,

we've got the ball rolling from an

investor perspective. And um so we're

excited about that. But then the

lowinccome facet will happen sort of

when we move into Capital Heights. And

those are all identified in our project

plan. Okay. Which was The Capital

Heights project plan was approved prior

to this. Yes. Right. Okay. And then and

and this could have been in here, but I

didn't see it. Um for the town homes,

those are Capitol Heights. So the

there's two different neighborhoods,

right? That's why heights is um does

have um some town homes, but it also has

mostly uh 12 unit apartment building.

That's what I thought. Okay. Okay. Um

and are the town homes going to be for

sale at all, or is that just to lease

and rent? Yeah. Are you pushing home

ownership? No. Well, there's no

question. Um, we do have some, um, town

homes that will be for sale. I I don't

think it's going to be many, though. I

think we'll probably have five or six

for sale. Okay. Um, and I just want to

share like it is so crazy expensive to

build building these days. It's nuts.

So, I know it's going to cost us like

close to $300,000 to build them. That's

just to build them. That doesn't mean

that like all this time, all the time to

get here, it's not even included. So, I

don't know. It just the numbers don't

work out, you know. No. Well, well,

that's why I'm asking because, you know,

um I just wasn't sure. I didn't think I

saw that in there. So, I was going to

ask if um if any of them would be for

sale. And with I know the apartments

were two bedrooms. Yes. Were also the

townhouse. When I was looking at it, it

looked like all the town homes were two

bedrooms and each had their own bathroom

and I think like a walk-in closet, but I

didn't know if I missed something. No.

So, you're exactly correct. In Midtown,

that's how they're designed. So to get

them to be affordable to build, we kind

of we made them two stories and they're

two. So they're like big apartments.

That's what I Okay, that's what I But

they're still nice. I I am I am a town

home person that likes to go three

stories up. That's just me with a garage

underneath, but I get a little, you

know, but they still look really

beautiful. It's It definitely will add

um It would be nice to not see empty

lots anymore. So I think that would be

great. I'm also a big person on QR codes

and people can put their phone out and

bring up a picture of what you're doing

so they can see what's coming. So, if

you could do that, I think that would be

great for the neighborhood so you can

say, "Hey, here's what's coming." And I

think everybody would really enjoy that.

So, thank you. No other questions?

Thank you, Councilman Rodriguez. Any

questions?

No, no questions for me. Thank you for

the work thus far and look forward to

seeing the completion of the project.

Thank you. Thank you, Councilman Jones.

Any questions? No questions. Okay. Thank

you. There are no further questions. I

move to add resolution 56 of 2024 to our

next legislative session agenda for a

formal vote. Thank you. Thank you very

much.

Next, we have resolution 32 of 2025. Mr.

Trudale, could you please read it into

the record? Resolution 32, 2022, a

resolution approving the preliminary

land development plan for 555 South 25th

Street submitted by Commonwealth Charter

Academy to demolish a portion of the

existing school building on site and

redevelop the property as a cyber

charter school with a larger building

footprint and expanded site and access

improvements.

Thank you. Yes, madame council

president, if I just could mention there

is a as corrected version of this one. I

don't know if you guys have it. Um, it's

just a technical amendment in my

drafting of this legislation. I made a

mistake in the bounding properties. Um,

so if you guys

have

the correct it's linked the corrected uh

version is linked so everybody should be

able to access it. Um the language that

was corrected is in the second whereas

clause the property is bounded by um I

corrected that with the proper

information as given to me um by the

applicant. They did get it right. It was

totally just a law bureau mistake. So

it's a technical amendment. Okay. Thank

you for clarifying.

U Mr. Knight, if you wouldn't mind

beginning with our overview of

resolution 32 of 2025, please. Sure. Uh

so this one is a much more simple one.

Um it's uh basically uh the majority

demolition of the existing or the

previous uh Roman Catholic DSC school

that was on site uh because they moved

uh their uh students to a downtown

campus and um a reconstruction uh about

I'd say probably 50% or 75% larger uh

than what the existing building was uh

as a cyber charter school. Um so in uh

doing so this is not going to be a

school that uh will have students coming

every morning, teachers coming every

morning. Uh it will be very similar to

the applicants uh operations um at the

Commonwealth Charter Academy building uh

up um adjacent to the farm show if

you're familiar where that is. Um so

it'll be a lot of uh virtual learning um

areas uh and kind of some I guess

custodial staff and office workers to

support the people on site. but it will

be definitely lower impact than uh what

a traditional school might be. Um and uh

you can see uh the applicants brought a

storyboard there uh with what the

proposed design looks like. Um they've

definitely been working with us on um on

both designing the project uh to help um

uh improve the neighborhood while also

engaging the community. Um, as part of

this project, uh, one of the big things

from the city's perspective was, uh, if

you're familiar with the site, um, you

basically come into, uh, South 25th

Street on Berry Hill, uh, and then

there's two, uh, driveways on either

side of that intersection, and that kind

of creates some confusing, uh, traffic

circulation issues, uh, where there are

some, um, crosswalks and other places

where there aren't. Uh so one of our big

things was having the main entrance

relocated directly across from Barry

Hill Street to create a four-way

intersection there. Um which kind of uh

clarifies uh the movements for all users

and especially for drivers. Um and uh

they also will have a uh kind of

secondary accessory uh truck uh access

uh to the north of where that is. Um and

that's to help them u not only with

bringing in uh larger equipment you know

servers and things like that for when

the project is being constructed but

also in serving those things and I think

replacing them over the uh course of

time uh maybe bringing in some like

larger shipments of uh you know food and

other equipment onto the site. Um and

otherwise uh you know they've engaged

the community to gone out told them what

they were doing asked them you know kind

of what types of improvements they'd

like to see. Uh you may be aware the

property has been vacant for I think

probably five years or so. Um and um so

as anything new coming in there is going

to be kind of a bit of a change for the

neighbors and and the applicants were

pretty diligent about going out doing a

doortodoor uh canvasing of the

neighborhood to just tell them what they

were doing, let them know what uh

changes were going to be coming to the

uh community there. Um but overall uh

there's been a significant improvement

you know not only with uh the um

appearance of the site uh but also uh

again with the infrastructure rounding

uh surrounding it um that that

relocation of the driveway but also

they're going to be constructing um

sidewalks along the whole frontage of

the property on South 25th Street. Um so

all in all this will be a um again a

significant improvement uh for both the

site and the community and uh the

planning bureau you know would like to

thank the applicants for their um

coordination with us to make sure that

this project is you know the best it can

be for the neighborhood. Um and because

uh the applicants have addressed uh a

lot of the planning bureau's initial uh

comments uh in the project uh we were

happy to recommend an approval without

conditions to the zoning to the planning

commission. Uh and the planning

commission uh did recommend uh that the

case be that the city council approve

the request without conditions for the

following reasons. The applicant has

collaborated with the planning bureau

and city engineers office to incorporate

many of the recommendations from the

initial submission which will enhance

the property's contribution to the

surrounding community in conformance

with the comprehensive plan. Project

will result in the inind replacement of

an educational facility with proposed

changes that will bring benefits to the

city and surrounding neighborhood

including the improvement of a

complicated intersection that will make

the street safer for all users. And

finally, the applicant has engaged

residents of the surrounding

neighborhood to secure public buyin from

the community.

Thank you, Mr. Knight. Good evening,

gentlemen. If you wouldn't mind

introducing yourselves and if there's

anything you'd like to add uh to the

conversation, we would appreciate that.

My name is uh Jim Skinner. I'm the uh

facilities director for CCA. And I'm not

sure I have to say anything.

We hit everything that we're trying to

do as far as continuing basically to uh

expand our staff.

Okay. Thank you. My name is Mayor Patel.

I'm with Law Firm Patel Developers. Um I

agree. We've been working with Mr.

Knight for for several months now and

there was a lot of good back and forth

with planning commission as well. Um, I

think it is important to reiterate we

knocked on uh every home in the

neighborhood that has a line of sight to

this school and talked to 75% of the

neighbors,

showed them the plans, had great

discussions with them. A lot of good

dialogue. Everybody was in favor of

having these renovations done to the

buildings. And I do have one request.

Um, on page three of the resolution,

there's a traffic impact study

reference. I know Mr. We had met with

the city engineers and and you guys said

without conditions we could um recommend

approval. So I just wanted to see if we

can get that removed in the final draft.

Okay, perfect. Thank you.

Okay, thank you. Noted u I will I thank

you for um providing additional details

regarding the uh neighborhood canvasing.

I was curious to know how that went. So,

thank you for sharing those details. Um,

I don't have any other questions. I'll

open the floor to my colleagues who may

have some additional questions. I'll

begin with Councilwoman Davis. Any

questions?

No questions. Okay. Thank you, Vice

President Green. Any questions? I don't

have any questions. It was pretty well

summarized. Um, I look forward to seeing

something get done with the building.

Thank you, Councilwoman Ross. Any

questions? Uh, good evening. Thank you

all for being here this um evening. I

don't have any questions. Mine were

addressed. My biggest issue was just the

um traffic coming up 25th and turning on

to Berry Hill. It's very it's hard to

see sometimes around that corner. Um so

I just, you know, had just some

concerns. I know you're coming straight

out on the Berry Hill, but still cars

coming up and it's very congested in

that area. Um especially when then you

try to turn on a Hail Street, but you

did address most of those concerns. So,

I don't have any questions. Just thank

you for bringing that project there

that's been vacant. I thought I thought

longer than five years. It just felt

like nothing's been there like ever. So,

um since the school had moved out, but

thank you. Thank you, Councilman Ro,

excuse me, Councilman Rodriguez. Any

questions? Thank you, Madam President.

Um thank you all for being here this

evening. Um I have a business in that

neighborhood, so it's good to see, you

know, something going on with that

school. Um I remember actually going

there as a a polling place years ago. Um

so uh if you guys um foresee any issues

with two schools in the immediate area,

what would those be or do you not really

consider or foresee any traffic issues?

Um I I don't foresee any issues. We

won't have any buses or anything that

come

our staff. Okay. Thank you. Sure. No

further questions. Thank you, Councilman

Jones. Any questions? Uh, yes. Uh, I

lived on South 25th Street. You guys

didn't knock on my door. I'm sure I did.

You probably weren't home at the time.

Yeah. Yeah. I moved about eight years

ago. That's why

every door. No questions. No questions.

Thank you. Um, if there's no further

discussion, I move to add resolution 32

of 2025 to our next legislative session

agenda for a formal vote. Thank you.

Thank you.

This concludes the business of the

community and economic development

committee. We will now move to the

parks, recreation, and enrichment

committee. I will defer to our parks,

recreation, and enrichment committee

chair, Councilwoman Ross. Thank you,

President Hill. Um, Mr. Trudale, can you

please read resolution 43 of 2025?

Resolution

43, 2025, a resolution authorizing the

city of Harrisburg to negotiate and

enter into a lease agreement with the

Harrisburg School District for that

portion of land that houses the Jackson

Lick Pool in order to allow continued

operations as the parties work towards

finalizing the city's subdivision and

acquisition thereof. Thank you, Mr.

Trudale. Is there anyone here from the

administration who can give us more

information on resolution 43?

I I can start us off. Okay. As the

council may recall, um after some back

and forth, the city had made an offer to

acquire the property where Jackson Lake

Lick Pool is. We had found in the course

of a grant process that we actually

never owned it. And the pool's been

there since 1969

at at the most recent. Um it turned out

it's part of the larger parcel owned by

the school district and it's not

divided. So uh the school district has

uh a agreed informally to the offer to

acquire it for a dollar, take the cost

of the subdivision plan which the city

will do the survey which will draw the

new boundary lines without that fully

completed yet which just takes some

time. Uh they had asked that we enter

into a lease agreement until such time

that that is done. Um and that that

documents those will come back to you as

they come forward the subdivision plan

and the uh survey. Um so this this I

think gives everybody peace of mind at

the school district side and the city

side that um it's acknowledged that they

own the land and that we are taking

responsibility for it during the lease

period as we get ready to move forward

to divide the land and acquire it.

Thank you. And would you um Mr. Director

Baker or Director Ross, would you like

to add anything else to what Mr. Grover

said?

I think we're good. Thank you. Okay.

You're welcome. Um, I don't have any

questions. It was pretty

straightforward. I think this is

something we've been waiting for because

um with this agreement, we can then

start um also doing work on Jackson

Lick. I would Is that true? And we've

been doing some work. We had, but I

mean, we were going to renovate it

completely. Wasn't that the issue that

we couldn't renovate it completely

without some type of lease agreement or

ownership towards it? So that grant

money moved on to other projects just

because it's controlled by third

parties, right? And then that money will

have to come back as you know as as we

move forward. Right. But now we would be

able to actually utilize it. Yes. When

it comes back. Okay. All right. Thank

you. So no, I didn't I don't have any

questions. I'm just glad we're moving

forward with this and we've come to some

type of agreement. um for our residents

to um have some more information on

what's happening with Jackson Lick. So,

I'll um ask my fellow uh council men and

women if they have any questions. Um

Councilwoman uh Daniels is not with us,

right? Okay. So, Councilwoman Davis, do

you have any questions? Thank you,

Councilwoman Ross. Uh, no. The

explanation by solicitor uh Grover was

clear communication to me. So, I don't

have any questions. So, thank you.

You're welcome. Uh, Vice President

Green. Good evening. Thank you all for

being here. Uh, I don't have any

questions. Thank you, President Bower,

excuse me, President Hill. No, thank

you. I don't have any questions. Okay.

Um, Councilman Rodriguez.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh, thank you

both for being here this evening. um

more of a statement. It just would have

been great to have someone from the

district here just to speak on their

behalf. Um but I look forward to it.

Long time coming. Um is there anyone

that may be planning from the district

to come maybe for the legislative

session or Yeah, frankly, I think it's

all lawyers and I don't think they want

to pay them to come from Philadelphia

for the meeting. Well, I meant from the

school district, a board member,

superintendent, etc. Not that I'm aware

of. Because from experience, it's just

without having those entities at the

table, it's usually a he say, she say.

It'd just be great to have everyone's

input and hear firsthand everyone. I

understand what you're saying. I I I can

make the inquiry. Um the uh but this is

sort of a lawyer to lawyer arrangement.

So I will note that the superintendent

has been meeting with the mayor. Um he

has emphasized to the mayor and others

that he believes the role of the school

district need to be uh more student

focused than grown-up focused. and that

he it was important to him that uh a

pool be available for the students of

this school district. Right. Absolutely.

Which was a great refreshing thing to

hear. Said for a dollar and then they

might come back and we've never offered

it up for a dollar. It's 3.3 etc etc et

but this isn't that agreement. This is a

lease agreement till we get the

property. Right. So and then there'll be

further discussion after right where all

the other documents come back to you.

Right. And so we're but we are picking

up the cost of the subdivision plan.

We've retained outside real estate

council who's retaining the surveyor who

will and the negotiation of any is

really where is the appropriate spot for

us and them to draw the line so so that

our utilities are properly in place for

everybody that kind of stuff. But the

long-term goal is to acquire that. Okay.

No further questions. Thank you. You're

welcome. Um Council Man Jones

clear that up.

Yeah, let it rain one more time. Put

that into the record. Um, Mr. Grover,

uh, this is where I know this is like a

like kind of I don't want to call it a

band-aid. It's temporary right now again

until you get uh the district and the

city figure out um what's what. But in

the interim of that um the liabilities

it's on us right now, right? It always

was. Okay. It just always I know that

was part of the fight the part of the ar

well the agreement or non-aggreement

that was part of it. So we run a pool

right I mean so there the laws who who

has what responsibility it seems pretty

clear. Okay no questions.

All right thank you. I would like to

move uh resolution 43 of 2025 to our

next legislative agenda. Thank you for

um coming tonight. You didn't even have

to do much tonight. Look at that. Yes,

it was easy. Thank you.

Thank you. Our final committee business

this evening lies with the public works

committee. I will defer to our public

works committee chair, Councilman

Rodriguez. Thank you, Madam President.

Um, today for the public works

committee, we'll be discussing

resolution 42 of 2025. Mr. Trudale, can

you please read resolution 42 of 2025

into the record? Resolution 42,2025,

a resolution authorizing the city of

Harrisburg to negotiate and enter into a

professional services agreement with

Arbiter Pro Incorporated for the purpose

of performing a tree inventory and

related urban forestry services. All

right. And I see Deputy Director Ross um

speaking on behalf of Resolution 42.

Could you give us an overhaul of just

all entails? Or if you would like to

speak first, please introduce yourself.

I'll speak directly into the mic for

those watching at home can hear you

clearly. Sure thing. Thank you uh for

being here tonight. Uh my name is Cody

Le. I'm the city forester here. Um as

Trudale stated, this um resolution is uh

approving us to enter into a service a

professional service agreement with

ArborPro

uh to perform a citywide tree inventory

including our city parks. Um

after review of the proposals, ArborP

Pro um was recommended uh for this

project. Um they scored the the highest

out of all five proposals. Um, Arbor Pro

um, not only proved that they have

extensive experience with performing

street tree inventories

uh, with many other municipalities, much

larger than the city of Harrisburg here.

um and that they have quite vast array

of qualified um personnel, but they are

also

one of the lowest prices that was

offered to us. Um which which is great

on on our behalf. Um and also I'd like

to state for the record that this is um

going to be funded by an IRA grant that

was recently awarded with us and that

grant is completely waved of match.

Um,

that's the main points of of the

proposal here. I do have two Arbor Pro

representatives here with us virtually.

Um, Chris Connley, division manager, and

Mason Berdick, operations manager, if we

want to present um them with any

questions as well. Absolutely. Or if

those two gentlemen would like to add

anything to the discussion, if you can

hear me on virtual, um, would you like

to add anything to the discussion?

Uh, this is Chris Conley, division

manager. I don't have anything to add

currently to the discussion, but thank

you.

Thank you. Um, Deputy Ross, would you

like to add anything? No, I don't have

anything. All right. Well, I'll open it

up to council. Starting to my immediate

left, Councilman Jones. No questions.

Thank you. To my right, Councilwoman

Ross. Thank you, Councilman Rodriguez. I

don't have any questions. Good evening

to you both again, Director Ross, and

just thank you for being here. Thank

you, Madam President. Good evening. I

don't have any questions. Thank you,

Madame Vice President. Good evening. I

don't have any questions for you all.

Councilwoman Davis. Thank you, Council

Rodriguez. Good evening. I do have a

couple of questions.

Um so you are going to inventory the

city's tree

um all the trees in the city and

are you inventorying the city's trees to

identify different the different types

of trees or what specifically are you

looking for and what will you do with

the results of what you find? Sure.

Yeah. There's there's a a whole list of

data that will be collected um including

species, tree height, condition. Um we

do currently have an inventory. Um this

is just for updating purposes. Okay. And

this is part of the larger portion of

the grant. We'll use this inventory to

schedule work um appropriately in

different parts of the city again with

that IRA grant. Um and these trees are

only the trees within the right ofway.

So there's street trees between the curb

and the sidewalk. Um but it does include

um city parks was which was recently not

included in a uh inventory previously.

Okay. And so you mentioned the trees

between the curb and the sidewall,

right? And those are the trees that you

would do work on if Okay. Correct. Those

are within that public right of way that

that we would be um performing work on.

Okay. So, could the residents expect you

to cut down their trees or if they're

dead or dying? Yes. Okay. Because I know

that the homeowners have typically are

typically responsible for the trees, the

overgrown trees on their property.

Um, so I just wanted to know to what

extent will you be, you know, assisting.

Sure. Sure. Yeah, that that's the the

the main goal of the the the full IRA

grant. This is just to just kind of

identify what we have and update our

current records. But um I guess that

might be a discussion for another time.

But that is the the main goal of the the

grant is to kind of take that burden off

of some of the residents um as as far as

grant funds are available.

Okay. And when do you anticipate well

once this Oh, that's a question for

later time. Okay. Okay. I I will say

that the inventory can will likely

happen sooner than later, but given

certain times of the year, it can make

it difficult. Um, ideally you want to do

that in the spring and summer. Um, there

might be a lag between the winter

months, but um,

relatively quick, I would imagine.

Okay. Will we uh be able to receive a

report and findings of what the outcomes

are to this? Yes. Yes. So, Arbor Pro

does provide a live um update. Uh I

think it was weekly, may it might be

bi-weekly. Correct me if I'm wrong,

Chris. Um but but after that whole

inventory is complete, all that data

will be ours. Um and we'll we'll use

that into our um RGIs hub. Um so, we'll

we'll have we'll house that data then.

Well, that would be interesting. I'd

like to know what species are out there

and you know, if some of the work work

that can be done. I'd like to know what

could be done for our residents who have

these overgrown trees on the properties

and the the ground is uplifting and it's

just a mess in some of the areas. So

hopefully this uh project could help. So

thank you. That's it for me. Thank you.

And um if I'm not mistaken, specific

area will be right there in that Berry

Hill corridor where the tornadoes did a

lot of the damage. A lot of those Yes,

that area also. Um is it Chestnut

Street? Yep. Just past 19th Street, 19th

and Chestnut. Yeah, I'm I'm familiar

with both of those locations. Would

those be something that this project

would be able to take care of for the

residents

in the grand scheme? Ideally, yes. Um

this particular portion, no. This is

just kind of getting ground the

cataloging of it all, but I mean the

long term. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So,

residents could look forward to some

remediation for issues like that up

until the grant allows it to. Right.

Right. All right. Um, are there any

further questions from council? I know

councilwoman Shebain's not able to join

us right now. All right. If there are

none, I hear none, I'd like to move to

add resolution 42, 2025 to our next

legislative session. And that concludes

the work for the public works committee.

Thank you. Thank you. At this time, we

will open the floor for public comment.

Um, just a few housekeeping notes before

we begin. If you could please state your

name and your address for the meeting

record. If you don't feel comfortable

sharing your address, please share the

vicinity with which you live within the

city. Um, you'll have four minutes to

share your comments. Mr. TR sale uh will

serve as our timekeeper. I'll begin to

my right. Is there anyone that would

like to offer public comment?

Hi, my name is Sonet Jackson and I live

in the 2500 block of Sixth Street and my

question is for the park on Rner Street.

They were tore down maybe about 90 days

ago now and school is out. Also, I was

wondering what you guys have in place

for that either being rebuilt or if you

guys are going to have some type of um

what do you call that?

No, not a program. Um a cross the street

crossing guards to get to the nearest um

playground which is on Emerald Street

which is about a mile or not a mile,

half a mile away from

Oh, is Emerald Tre down to Okay. So then

there's no park other than Mccclelay

Street on 7th Street for the Uptown kids

to go to. So I was wondering what you

guys had planned for that.

Um sorry Miss Jackson. Yes. Okay. Hi. Um

Miss Director Ross is right there and

she can answer your questions.

Thank you. Um is there anyone else to my

right that would like to offer public

comment? Okay. Seeing and hearing no

one. Anyone in the middle section?

Seeing and hearing no one. Anyone to my

left? Okay. Seeing and hearing no one.

The time is 6:48 p.m. I will entertain a

motion to adjurnn. Motion to adjurnn. Do

we have a second? Thank you. We stand

ajourn.