Harrisburg City Planning Commission Meeting -11/5/2025

the U Harrisburg Planning Commission

meeting to order at approximately 6:34.

Uh commissioners, um

you received your September 3rd and

October 1st meeting minutes. Are there

any changes, deletions, additions?

I'll make a motion to approve both the

September and October minutes.

>> Is there a second?

>> Second.

>> It's been moved a second for approval.

All those in favor state by saying I.

>> I.

>> I.

>> Opposed. Abstension. Motion carried.

Under old business, there's none.

Under new business, item number one is a

special exception application for 1414

North Cameron Street, which is zone

industrial.

It's filed by Joshua Gray and GNRLP.

Is to request relief from four of the

required All Street parking spaces

associated with the expansion of the

school public and private and primary or

secondary use of site.

>> Uh yes. So uh the applicant is

requesting relief from four of the

required off street parking spaces

associated with the expansion of the

school public or private primary or

secondary use on site. The capital

academy student population is increasing

from 115 students to 147 students and

the staffing will increase from 40 staff

to 52 staff which incre which which

increases the required off street

parking from 69 spaces to 89 spaces

because there will only be 72 spaces on

site after the installation of modular

classrooms in the parking lot and

reconfiguration of the parking lot. ZHB

approval of a special exception is

required for relief from 17 off-

streetet parking spaces. So that was the

way that I had calculated it based on

the numbers that we had um in compared

to what was submitted. Uh the property

at 1414 North Cameron Street is a 2.33

acre lot featuring a three-story 24,312T

structure which was constructed in 1942.

Property is bounded by an unadressed

parcel to the north, North Cameron

Street to the east, and the property at

1400 North Cameron Street to the south

and west. This detached structure

features elements of a vernacular

institutional architectural style.

Character defining features include the

brick facade, the monumental concrete

entryway, the horizontal brick and

concrete bands, the regular fenestration

pattern, a modern building addition in

the northwestern corner, and the fenced

in playground on the southern elevation

of the building. The main entrance

features full view metal door double

doors flanked by divided light

sidelights and topped with a large

transom and concrete header with the

property address. It is accessed by a

short flight of concrete stairs with

metal railings. Other entrances

primarily feature full view metal doors.

Penetration primarily features evenly

spaced plate glass windows around the

building, although there are some

locations featuring glass block infill.

The main structure is topped with a flat

rubber roof with a newer addition

featuring a metal roof. The building is

fronted by a large accessory parking lot

and both building and parking are

buffered by landscaping with larger

trees along the northern and southern

property boundaries. There is little

there's a large billboard at the

northern edge of the parking lot. The

Cameron Street corridor features little

in the way of architectural character

and the building design and sighting

differ from many of the surrounding arch

industrial properties. Although the

brick facade and some of the

architectural embellishments are

reflected in older industrial properties

and the housing development nearby. As

such, the property does contribute to

the architectural and historic character

of the streetscape.

The planning bureau staff recommends the

request be approved with the following

conditions. Uh the applicant must

coordinate with Capital Region Water

regarding the site disturbance and

proposed configuration of the parking

lot to ascertain what storm water

management or storm water mitigation

effect efforts may be necessary. And as

the proposed parking configuration will

have vehicles facing the residential

properties across Cameron Street. The

applicant should relocate the parking

lot several feet to the west and install

landscape screening along at least the

eastern frontage of the uh proposed lot.

The plane bureau would recommend that be

extended along the entire Cameron Street

frontage of the property. Planning

Bureau staff recommends the request be

approved for the following reasons. The

applicant has met the criteria necessary

for special exception and the proposal

should have a negligible impact on the

surrounding neighborhood. Because the

use is already operating on site,

approval of the proposal will not alter

the essential character of the

neighborhood and will provide benefits

such as the ability to enroll new

students. And finally, if the conditions

of approval are adopted, the project

will result in the property overall

being brought into better conformance

with the zoning code.

>> Okay. Thank you, Jeff. Um, could you

name could you state your name, address,

and relationship to the project?

>> Sure.

>> Good evening, commissioners. My name is

Ash Mcome. I'm an attorney with MC Wall,

100 Street, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

And with me is Josh Gray, principal with

GNR LP.

I live in 1937,

Pennsylvania.

>> And your relationship to the project?

>> Um, I'm actually the owner of the

property. I'm 90% owner of the property

and owned it since about 2007.

>> Okay.

>> We operated some businesses there and

the business

were sold and building was vacant for

several years. We were able to find

for special

was empty for several years.

>> You both heard the staff report. Are you

acceptable in the conditions?

>> Yeah, c certainly the first condition

as the second one. We'll look into what

what we can do from a landscaping

standpoint whether it goes the whole

length of Cameron. It's not there right

now uh landscaping, but we'll we'll look

into it and work with Sure.

>> Okay.

Um, commissioners, I have no questions

at this time, so I'll um call on you to

any concerns you have may have. And I'll

start with Commissioner Tul.

>> Yeah, the uh the trailers that are being

brought on site, is that additional

classroom?

>> Yeah, it's additional classroom space.

They're modular, but they're going to be

permanent. Uh so they'll be there, you

know, on a foundation kind of like

Yeah, I've never heard the questions.

Pretty straightforward.

>> Commissioner R,

>> will the the new the new modular

structures you're bringing in, will that

make the property become come to

capacity or will you have room to grow

further?

>> I mean, the further we grow,

we're going to need

>> exactly

>> right. We did a traffic stop and

fortunately for us um these students are

on bus for reasons administratively.

So most of them there's not a lot of

high individuals that could drive but

all these children in the school and a

lot of as well basically uses the bus

system. So we did a parking study like a

traffic study and had the cameras out

there that just to get a idea of who was

there was like

day.

So even though 76, you know, so it

really comes down to the question of

right now because we as

>> uh but at the moment even though

you know 39 is what the traffic study

estimated.

>> So the answer is probably no.

>> Pretty much

that.

>> Okay.

Okay. Thank you,

>> Commissioner Mard.

>> Thanks. Um, yeah. So, is the I mean, the

fact that you have to add two modular

units, is the building pretty well built

out then to like schoolwise capacity,

the classrooms.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. There is a there's a brand new

structure in the back uses like it's

like there's a space in the back that

they use, but they use it for like a gym

or bathroom.

And the problem with the building is the

blue line.

>> Is that the flood?

[clears throat]

>> Yeah, it should be the 100year flood

plane.

>> But the building as you can see is in

the flood way itself. And so we trying

to not do any additions.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

the idea is trying to keep it out.

>> Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I mean,

parking in a flood way, flood plane

isn't as concerning, right, as opposed

to having classrooms right in in there.

So,

>> um that makes a lot of sense. I I

appreciate that you took the effort to

put a parking study together. I think

that was really helpful. I would have

had a lot more questions had I not seen

those numbers and maybe even disbelief

that the numbers were that low. But

seeing the study and the fact that like

you said it's everyone's bus in even

faculty take the bus. Um you don't have

16 year olds typically driving even

their bus in as well. It sounds like so.

>> Yeah, I think the letter from the school

mentioned that there there are some 16

year olds. This year there are none that

drive and last year

>> and I think that the ratios over

>> right.

>> Okay. Yeah. Thank you. I have no other

questions. [clears throat]

>> Uh Commissioner Jordan.

>> Yes. I think this question is more for

Jeffrey. um with these modular permanent

structures, is that going to be another

set of approvals that are going to be

needed separate from this?

>> Uh yeah, so they've submitted the flood

plane development approvals that for

anything with a new installation with a

footprint in the flood plane. Um and

it's um I don't know if it's on that map

there gave you, but it's just outside of

the floodway. Um so it's um if it were

in the floodway, that'd be a different

issue, but it's um in the flood plane,

so it's just subject to chap the

regulations in 7315 of the zoning code.

Okay. That's all. Thank you,

>> Commissioner Vincent.

[clears throat]

>> No, everything looks good. The study is

showing that you guys never had any

types of complaints for parking at all.

No, no types of assemblies or anything.

So,

looks good.

>> Um, I'll go to the public right now. If

there anyone's for against this project,

stand and state state your name and

address. I'll start to my left.

Thank you, Commissioner. This is pretty

straightforward. Um, could I get a

motion?

>> Motion to approve conditions.

>> Second.

>> I'll second.

>> Second to approve project with the

conditions. All those in favor say

>> thank you. Appreciate your time.

>> Thank you very much. Thanks.

Okay.

Item number two is a land development

plan for 1332 North Second Street, which

is zon residential medium density. It's

followed by Adam Bredman and with

Damman's Properties LLC.

Uh it's to expand the existing

non-conforming conforming multif family

dwelling use on site by adding eight new

units to the existing five units on site

by converting space occupied by the

former funeral home. Okay.

>> Um yeah, so the applicant is proposing

to expand the existing non-conforming um

use on site by adding eight new units to

the existing five units um by converting

space occupied by the former funeral

home. The project proposes units in a

variety of configurations and sizes from

studios to two-bedroom apartments and

from 290 ft to 850 ft. uh proper and

this is the um second aspect of the

zoning relief that the applicant came

through I believe last month for um or

two months ago. Uh the property at 1332

North Second Street is a 48 acre lot

featuring a three-story structure

resulting from a combination of three

separate buildings into a mixeduse

building, a funeral home and apartments

with a total area of 8,428 ft which were

constructed circa 1900 and a separate

storage garage of 220 ft which was

constructed 1957. Property is bounded by

Calder Street to the north, North Second

Street to the east, Safford Street to

the south, and the property at 124

Safford Street, and a small grosser

alley to the west. The semi- detached

structure features elements of an

indeterminate architectural style.

Character defining features include the

formstone facade and water table, the

multiple access points sheltered by

awnings around the building, the regular

fenestration pattern, the upper floor

decks on the rear elevation roof, and

the freestanding signs near the parking

lot and building entrances. There are

multiple entrances throughout the

building, although the main entrance on

the eastern elevation features panel

double doors and a full view door set in

simple frames which are sheltered by a

large awning with square posts. Other

entrances on the front and side

elevations feature the same types of

doors and awnings. Penistration on the

front elevation features two over two

windows set in simple formstone

surrounds with soldier course headers

and sills wrapped in aluminum.

Tenistration on the side elevation is

more regular and features two over two,

one over one and plate glass windows.

The structure is primarily topped with

flat rubber roofs. The other major

feature of the site is a sizable surface

parking lot occupying the southern half

of the property which is bordered by

planting beds with trees along the

eastern frontage with Second Street and

a 4ft high chain link fence along the

southern frontage with Safford Street.

Although the architectural style differs

somewhat from nearby buildings,

specifically with respect to the

formstone and awnings and large parking

lot distinguishes the properties from

others in the historic district, the

building height, massing, and location

along lot lines does generally reflect

the built environment of the surrounding

community. As such, the subject property

minimally contributes to the

architectural character of the

neighborhood. The planning bureau staff

recommends the request be approved with

the following conditions. Any exterior

alterations to the property must be

submitted for review by the city's

historic preservation specialist and may

require harb approval of a certificate

of appropriateness application. The

applicant must coordinate with the

department of public works regarding the

size, location, and screening of any

required refuge containers. The planning

bureau recommends the applicant consider

eventually consolidating all refuge

storage and access in the existing

carport along the CER street frontage of

the building. The planning bureau staff

recommends the request be approved for

the following reasons. The adaptive

reuse of a vacant and underutilized

funeral home into apartments represents

a sensible expansion of the existing

multif family dwelling use on site and

the project can adequately address the

primary concern regarding such

proposals, specifically the provision of

off- streetet parking for tenants and

their guests. Other conversions of

former commercial spaces elsewhere in

the neighborhood have demonstrated such

projects do not adversely impact the

neighborhoods in which they are located

and often help catalyze other

improvements in those communities. And

finally, the proposed redevelopment will

add new residents to the neighborhood to

activate the street on nights and

weekends and grow customer base to

support local businesses while providing

a new neighborhood focused space and

will provide additional units to the

Midtown housing inventory.

>> Thank you. Could you state your name,

address, relationship [clears throat] to

the project?

>> Yes. Uh Michael White, 1419 North Third

in Harrisburg. I am the um operations

director for Brandon Group.

>> Okay. Uh you heard the staff report with

the conditions. Are you acceptable of

those conditions?

>> Uh yes. Um we you know for any exterior

um changes we would of course seek

approval um through the appropriate

body. Uh in terms of the consolidation

of refu that's something that we have

planned. In terms of the location we're

going to um try to determine the best

location. We we I think that that is a

nice uh covered location, but that what

what we want to do is consolidate, but

it might not be in that exact location

just because there could be some windows

potentially two apartments there that

could be access to an apartment. So,

we're just going to from a resident

quality standpoint, but I kind of am of

the mind to consolidate. So, that makes

a lot of sense to me.

Um I the only concern I was I had

initially was the parking but I would

got remember this um you had this

project here before and you had that

extra those extra parking spaces. So

>> yes

>> pretty much covers the parking. Um

commissioners if you have any questions

or concerns and I'll start with

commission.

Yeah, as it turns out, they have plenty

of parking. Joe,

>> no, I was at the zoning hearing board.

They they didn't they overturned the uh

relief provided to lease those

properties, those parcels out.

>> Yeah, I'm done. I'm finished.

Commissioner Commission Reed,

>> I have no questions.

>> Commissioner Mark, I

>> think this is pretty straightforward. I

just want to confirm there are no

external uh improvements to the site

being proposed.

>> Yeah.

>> Correct. Thanks.

>> No, Commissioner Jordan.

>> No questions.

>> Commissioner,

>> no questions.

>> Okay, we'll go to the public. Are there

any concerns or questions to my left?

Not at all.

On my right. Okay. Commissioners, as

everybody says, this is pretty

straightforward. Could I get a motion?

>> Motion to approve with conditions.

>> Is there a second?

>> Second.

>> It's been moved and second for approval

of the project with the conditions. All

those in favor by saying I.

>> I

Thank you.

>> Okay.

Item number three. This is a land

development plan for 2601 North Third

Street. Uh it's uh building number one

which is zone commercial neighborhood.

It's uh followed by Gregory Alquist with

Penmark Hburg Holdings LLC and is to

convert the vacant hospital building

into a mixeduse building featuring 130

residential units with one and two

bedroom configurations.

Uh, the applicant proposes to convert

the vacant hospital building into a

mixeduse building featuring 130

residential units, associated amenity

space for tenants, and both space

reserved for retail uses and space set

aside for future development proposals.

The project proposes units in a variety

of configurations and sizes from studios

to three-bedroom apartments. That should

be three and not two in the uh summary

there. Um, and from 544 ft to 1143 ft.

The property at 2601 North Third Street

is a 6.36 acre lot featuring a sprawling

medical campus including a 216,440t

facility which was constructed 1926 and

an 83,870 square 76T facility which was

constructed 1957. Property is bounded by

Wikiniscoco Street and the property at

2645 North Thirdrd Street to the north,

North Fourth Street to the east,

Polyclink Avenue to the south and 2645

North Thirdrd Street to the west. This

property features a sprawling industrial

campus with three to six story buildings

that previously accommodated the poly

clinic hospital. However, the current

proposal only involves the southernmost

building. Character defining features

include the X building shape, the brick

facade, the decorative entrance, the

prominent concrete and masonry bands

around the building, the consistent

fenestration pattern, and the former

utility room with accompanying large

smoke stack. There are entrances in a

variety of designs and sizes around the

building, many of which are solid metal

utilitarian doors. Although the main

entrance on the western elevation

features full view double doors, metal

double doors topped with a large metal

transom featuring the property address

all set within a prominent masonry

surround featuring sconces, a decorative

cartouge

um of a former awning and a Juliet

balcony pediment with dentals. It is

accessed by masonry steps and a concrete

ADA ramp with metal railings.

Administration also includes a multitude

of windows in sizes and configurations.

Although most are plate glass windows

with concrete sills and simple brick

surrounds. The ground floor windows on

the eastern elevation are metal divided

light windows with those at the northern

end being older. There is a large

multi-story wall of metal awning windows

at top louvers in the utility room. The

structure is primarily topped with flat

rubber roofs. Building features a

well-maintained landscaped buffer along

the southern and western frontages with

bushes, shrubs, and some larger, more

mature trees in the western yard.

Property differs marketkedly from the

surrounding residential community and

even from other institutional buildings

such as the steel school, the Scottish

Wright Temple, the Zebo and the Zebo

shrine, which feature more innate

architectural elements. However, it does

have a significant architectural and

historic character in its own right and

is individually listed on the National

Register of Historic Properties and

thereby contributes to the character of

the neighborhood.

The planning bureau staff recommends the

request be approved with the following

conditions. [clears throat] Uh, the

applicant must reconstruct portions of

the Fourth Street sidewalk to be ADA

compliant and specifically the loading

dock in the middle of the block. The

bureau recommends that other points with

vehicular crossings use driveway designs

with consistent raised crosswalks across

them for safer vehicular conflict

points. The applicant must coordinate

with the Department of Public Works

regarding the size, location, and

screening of any required refuge

containers. The planning bureau

recommends the applicant consider

eventually consolidating all refuge

storage and access in the existing

vehicular access areas along the fourth

street frontage of building one. The

applicant must ensure that

[clears throat] any proposed signage for

the businesses on site is in conformance

with the applicable regulations or they

must secure the necessary zoning relief.

And finally, the planning bureau

recommends that sheltered bike parking

be provided at the main entrances to

both the residential and commercial

components of the property with secured

bike storage potentially located in one

of the proposed amenity areas on the

first floor. Planning Bureau staff

recommends a request be approved for the

following reasons. The adaptive reuse of

a large vacant and underutilized

institutional building into a mixeduse

building with lower level retail store

spaces and apartments above represents a

unique and challenging project in the

city and will support redevelopment of

the remaining buildings that comprise

the former hospital complex.

Additionally, the applicant is retaining

flexibility in the project by reserving

portions of the building for future

development proposals which will help

the project grow more organically to

support the needs of existing res

residents of the neighborhood and future

residents of the development. Successful

redevelopment of the institutional site

may help catalyze redevelopment and

reactivation of other institutional

sites in the north to the north

including the former William Penn school

and the ZBO shrine. Other conversions of

former commercial or institutional

buildings elsewhere in the city have

generally demonstrated such projects do

not adversely impact the neighborhoods

in which they are located and often help

generate other improvements in these

communities. And finally, the proposed

redevelopment will add new residents to

the neighborhood to activate the street

on nights and weekends and grow customer

base to support local businesses

while providing a new neighborhood

focused space and will provide

additional [clears throat] units to the

uptown housing inventory.

>> Thank you, Jeff. Uh gentlemen heard the

staff report with the conditions. Are

you acceptable of those conditions?

>> Yes, we are.

and I skipped over. Could you state your

name and address our relationship to?

>> Sure. Uh my name is Gregory Hogquist.

I'm with Penmark Harrisburg Holdings.

We're at 1000 Germantown Pike in

Plymouth Meeting PA and I'm the owner.

>> I name is David Johnson

>> located at the same address. Uh John

Anderson with Cornstone Consulting, 213

West Main Street, Landdale, PA1 19446,

uh civil engineer for the project.

>> Um

you did say you're accepting acceptable

acceptable.

>> Um my my only concern again usually is

parking, but I since I have been in the

building and my offices before I

retired, so I know There's lots of

parking in that place. So that's not a

concern with me, Mr. Commission to

um

>> yeah,

>> any concerns?

>> In light of the fact he used to work, I

just curious why they aren't proposing

to put statue out there. [laughter]

>> Was that the package

>> to get approved that might have

need? No, no, it's no questions. I think

it's great. I mean that I think I may

have stated the last time you were here

that the most utilized underutilized

real estate in Harrisburg's between

there and the William Penn campus. So

glad to see it's see you moving in.

>> I'm done.

>> Commissioner,

>> I have no questions either.

>> Commissioner,

>> I agree with Commissioner Tool's

comments. Um

I think the

>> What's that? No, but not with not about

the statue.

>> Maybe a fountain would be more

>> statue [laughter] in the fountain.

>> Yeah, right. Yeah, let's get creative.

Um, [clears throat] I think the only

question I have,

um, I've been trying to visualize the

lower level, which is called the

basement, but it's the the elevation

varies. So, you have some parts of the

building where it's walk out onto grade,

not necessarily below grade,

>> right?

>> So, that's reserved for retail. Um,

and where's the loading dock?

>> It's on the back side. It's on the lower

level

>> of Fourth Street.

>> Yes.

>> Okay.

>> In a little courtyard.

>> Okay.

So, would that that would remain I'm

just thinking about future retail uses

being able to use the loading dock for

let's say if you have a restaurant,

right, that does end up in there, right?

And where those trucks are going to be

going in and out of the building and the

space. So, we're fortunate to have

uh separate courtyards around the back.

Um so, for example, that loading dock is

in a its own courtyard area. There's

actually parking spaces in there as

well.

>> Okay, that's okay.

>> It's in the back.

>> Yep.

>> Okay,

got it. So, that kind of does actually

separate this.

>> Yeah, it's pretty well laid out for

this.

>> There's also a couple of entrances. If

you look at this the campus where the uh

emergency drop off was along poly clinic

that's actually at the lower level and

then you come up around to the top and

that's the front entrance to the lobby.

>> Yeah.

>> So there's a lot of separate entrance uh

opportunity.

>> Yeah. The campus.

>> Yeah. So you would even be able to sort

of differentiate tenant entrances from

retail entrances too. That's kind of a

plan there. Okay. Actually lends itself

really well.

>> Yeah. Okay, I'm with you. Uh I think

that's the only questions I had.

>> Well, the other question you had was

bike rocks and we will have plenty of

>> Oh, that's right. I did ask that on the

last application, right? But then Jeff,

see Jeff already put the comment in

there. So, as a condition,

>> so I asked that we bring drawings of

building three with the bike rack shown

so I can show you to you. But, uh, no,

we we expect there will be a lot of, um,

you know, use of bicycles. So, we want

to make sure we have

>> I would think so.

>> That's what we're trying to promote,

too, is

>> um you know, bringing the streetscape

alive and work. So, we're going to have

plenty of bike racks in various

locations and building.

>> Nice. You have plenty of space

>> for the retail and for like the workers

in the in the commercial.

>> And we are segregating. Uh I don't know

that the drawings that you all have show

this, but

Jeffrey mentioned that we're And we went

over this with Jeffrey and shared the

drawings with him that we have to

segregate some future development here.

This building is 200,000 square feet

>> and for 130 apartments and retail.

There's still 60 70,000 square feet left

over. We're limited by zoning of what we

can do here. Um so, you know, we'll have

to see what happens down the road, but

we've got an easy way to segregate off

some area to allow for future

development. We'll see what what the um

the neighbors need and

>> what makes sense.

>> Yeah. Thank you. I don't have any other

question.

>> We're not relying on that. It's part of

the

like if it never gets developed, it's

not the end of the world. So, it's a

good thing.

>> Commissioner Jordan,

>> no questions. Commissioner Vincent.

>> Um, no questions. Exciting to see, you

know, always like to see new um new

residential and student commercial

space.

>> We kind of just keep we make up

questions for them.

I have more I can give you.

[clears throat]

>> That's okay. Uh I'll go to the public.

Uh 714 against this project

on my left.

My right. Again, this is pretty

straightforward. And

did I get a motion?

>> Motion to approve with conditions.

>> Second.

>> Second.

I think Commissioner Jordan.

>> Yeah. [laughter]

>> Move second approval of the project with

the conditions. All those in I

>> oppos.

>> Thank you.

>> City.

>> Okay. We're under business.

Uh there's nothing on the um agenda for

other business. uh in I did want to uh

bring up one point in uh a discussion

from last month's meeting about the um

uh

open house that kind of city council had

with the different boards and there was

a discussion about having a um end of

the year report which I don't know that

I've done you know during my tenure here

really u and I am going to try and uh

have something uh to you all by

beginning uh middle maybe middle of

December and also have something you to

city council just as a synopsis of what

you guys have all tackled here and maybe

some of the things we're looking to do

next year. I think I've talked about

doing some packages of zoning map amend

or zoning code amendments uh with regard

to like signage and uh maybe um the use

table in chapter 73057 of the zoning

code uh to begin you know working on

those maybe for introduction in January,

maybe not till February depending on how

much I can get done. But, um, I I think

that was a it was a good, um, comment

that we should be doing a little

something even if it's just a single one

side of a piece of paper and we're just

kind of, you know, accounting for what's

what's gone on here. But, um, I do think

it's, uh, helpful to not only city

council, but members of the public and

yourselves to kind of, you know, uh,

summarize what the commission has done

over this year. Um because a lot of you

know what we do at the beginning of the

year can maybe be forgotten by this

point. Um and so u and even having an

update on maybe some of those projects

what what was approved in January. What

happened with that? Did they move

forward with that? So I'm going to look

to do a little something a little write

up for report for you guys for sometime

in December. And obviously you don't

meet so that'll just be something

transmitted via email.

>> Good.

I'm good. Is that something like Joe

needs to review and approve or do you

just send it on our behalf?

>> Yeah, I mean I can do that certainly is

send it to you all, make sure you're

happy with what with with what's in it.

I think it's largely going to be um you

know just academic really of just an

accounting of what's been what you guys

have been doing this year and um and

like I said hopefully some some goals

for next year. Uh and if you want to add

something to it, you know, certainly

feel free to do that.

>> Is there anything for the order

Christmas?

Uh if not, before I ask for German, I'd

like to wish everyone a happy holidays,

Thanksgiving, and Christmas, and

presents will be accepted by me.

[laughter]

Do

>> you want your statue in

>> bronze? Went to his head down.

[laughter]

>> And with that, can I get a motion for

adjournment?

What are