Podcast with Dr. Jack Kruse: Light, Water, and Magnetism For Optimal Health and Performance

Aloha everybody. My name is John Kemp,

holistic health and fitness coach, and

today on the podcast I interviewed Dr.

Jack Kruse, a neurosurgeon and one of

the leading pioneer voices in the space

of quantum biology and circadian

biology. I first heard about Jack in a

podcast episode he did on Rick Rubin's

podcast the Tetragrammaton with Andrew

Huberman, and it was an incredible

episode.

Really insightful and inspiring for me,

and I've been an avid follower of Jack

ever since,

watching dozens of his podcast episodes

and learning so much from him, and had

the blessing and opportunity to

interview him for you guys today. So, we

covered some of the information in

Jack's three-legged stool. His three

pillars are light, water, and magnetism.

And we talked a little bit about the

backstory, some of the current events

and future implications of those.

And I put a PDF Google Doc in the

comment section in the show notes that

has all of the episodes on YouTube from

Jack's interviews that I've watched, and

then I chronologically ordered them in a

way that I think is appropriate for

anyone that's new to his work or looking

to dive deeper.

You can check out that Google Doc PDF

and just have a nice resource that has a

lot of his content all in one place for

you.

And if you guys have any comments,

please drop them below for us, and any

other questions related to this episode

or questions for future episodes that I

can ask Jack next time we sit down

together. Thank you so much for

watching, and I hope you enjoy. Dr.

Jack, thank you so much for taking the

time. Welcome to the show.

>> No problem.

>> So, I just want to start off to set the

scene for you. May 2023,

I'm outside on my front porch

and I'm listening to the Rick Rubin

podcast with you politely handling

Andrew Huberman and you blew my mind on

that podcast. It was It was really

enlightening and someone that's got a

background in health and fitness hearing

someone say fitness and nutrition isn't

the most important thing was one of

those mind [ __ ] where I knew you were

right with my personal journey over the

last decade since 2013. I've been on my

own journey and I've been doing

everything I can to get into nature to

get more sunlight to get off of

technology. Someone running an online

business that's been a wonderful

opportunity and a challenge and so I I

was blessed with the

the opportunity to move to Maui in 2018

from Washington state

and I've been working on getting more

sun, getting more nature, getting off of

tech as much as possible. My intuition's

been driving me in that direction and

then I'd never heard of you before. I

find this podcast. I listen to this

podcast and you I knew you were right.

Everything you were saying

the science is obviously you're a master

in your craft and I am new to a lot of

the information at this time that you

were speaking about but with my

kinesiology degree, I understood enough

of what you were saying and I knew it

was correct. I was like, "Damn, this

guy's [ __ ] right." Like fitness and

nutrition. Like when you gave the

example of people with mitochondrial

diseases not getting well when their

fitness and nutrition is dialed in and

some of the other examples. I mean like

you've got the evidence, man. It's there

and so that was huge

>> I think I think I think the best

evidence though is the stuff that's

staring people right in the face but

they don't even realize it. Uh it's the

space program.

You know, you have to ask yourself a

question. You take somebody who's

fundamentally in the best shape you

possibly could be. Everybody knows

that astronauts, cosmonauts have to be

pristine.

But yet, when they're up

a week in space, just a week, they lose

20% of their muscle mass.

And they're exercising.

They're and they're all their food is

completely controlled, like a metabolic

ward.

Yet,

what do we know from probably the best

example,

which is Scott Kelly and his brother,

two identical twins, one stayed here,

one went up there, and in 240 days,

one aged 10 years.

That was supposed to be in phenomenal

shape.

So, when you actually see this, and

remember, they had to pull Paul Kelly

out of the capsule because he could not

even move

against the gravity of Earth.

When he comes back,

this should get everybody who believes

it's about diet and exercise

to say, well,

we have a guy that's got a metabolic

ward level

diet. He's doing all the exercise

through a Vasper that NASA has like this

guy's got the best gym in the world,

okay?

What?

The environment is different. And what

happened?

Like, I can't give you a better example

of why

um I'm right and they're wrong. And

then, when it gets really crazy,

is then I really flipped the tables

and say, okay, everybody who is

listening to this podcast effectively is

an astronaut that lives in space,

except you're on the tectonic plates and

you don't realize it because non-native

EMF all around us

actually mimics exactly what being in

space is. It has the same exact effect

on astronauts. The only difference is

the dose makes the toxin. Mhm. As on the

Kelly example that happened in 240 days.

In the example of astronauts on Earth

today it takes two to three decades for

the same diseases to show up. In fact

these are the same diseases that also

showed up in King Tut.

Mhm. So

you go back and go, "Wait a minute.

There is no gold gym."

Then there was no

you know, special diet, you know, tied

back to then.

Why?

Why do these things seem to travel

through eons? Like this is not a

question for me

to really answer for you. I think for

your audience

when you sit down and have a discussion

with me, you have to remember I've done

this morbidity and mortality conference

you know, in my head multiple times. I

mean, I didn't believe this when I first

realized it either. Why?

Because I went to medical school. I was

taught that diet and exercise were all

that matters. And I'd love to tell you

that I have uh

the resolving power of being that

curious when I was in training to ask

those questions. But it turned out it it

wasn't the case. It wasn't wasn't the

question I really asked until I was

finished with my training and going

through my own health issue

where I employed what they told me to do

and I actually got worse.

Mhm. So

I I would tell everybody no matter where

you are in this podcast and you're

watching it

uh you need to question everything.

Everything you believe.

And when you find out when you do do

that, you will find out that biophysics

has some very counterintuitive

rabbit holes that you'll go visit.

You'll find out that the environment is

what controls the software that controls

your ultimate outcome. All of you've

been led to believe it's the hardware.

It's the DNA and RNA. It's not true.

It's the software and that's the

mitochondrial programming. That's

actually the epigenetics that Scott

Kelly found out about before DARPA

removed his book

because he wrote about it. He said,

"Look, when I went up to space in 240

days, I came back, I lost 27% of my

muscle mass."

He goes, "But the big thing is I became

hypermethylated and I had histone

problems, so my risk of cancer is huge."

And literally you can't find his book

anymore cuz DARPA took it

uh off the market. Why? Because

the people in power

that are selling you diets, exercise,

supplements, peptides, whatever it is

that you're into today, that's the

Rockefeller paradigm that's built around

the flexionary port.

Uh they want you to keep believing that

story. Why? Because

this is a multi-trillion dollar business

for them.

And when you fundamentally get to that

level

that's when I think I think when really

most people get to where I'm at, it's

you've tried everything, nothing really

works, and then you go, "Okay, let me

give crazy a try." And then all of a

sudden magically you find out, "Wow, it

really is the environment that matters."

And it's not just in diet and exercise.

It's exactly what happens in addiction,

too. I mean, this is the reason why we

create drug addicts. Why?

All you got to do is put them in a

blue-lit environment, especially get

them to go out at night, and you can

create a drug addict pretty damn

quickly. Um

and the interesting thing is

you can let a drug addict stay with

their heroin, but if you change the

environment they're in,

you'll start to see they stop using

because they don't need it

because the endogenous opioids that your

brain makes out of palm C,

which is, you know, a chromosome on

chromosome number two, magically cleaves

uh beta endorphin, and you make an

endogenous opiate, you don't need it.

And what stimulates that? Well,

sunlight. Oh, how do you like that?

Well, you know, you you come back to the

same story, and you start going

you ask yourself this key question.

What actually really is true that they

tell us? And

that was probably the most important

thing that I said to you, Reuben, on

Rick's podcast.

That nothing is true. 99%

And if you remember from that podcast,

he asked another neurosurgeon that runs

UCSF, called Eddie Chang,

what he thought.

He said 50%. So, you have two guys that

are neurosurgeons,

and for anybody who doesn't know about

us, we're the top of the pyramid in

medicine. We're the smartest guys.

There's only 3,800 of us.

We all have attitudes.

But, it comes down to

you have the smartest people in medical

school telling you that most of what you

learn in medical school is [ __ ]

Well, that should be an eye-opener for

like everybody.

Because if you're not questioning the

paradigm that's being sold to you,

then you're apt to be knocked down by

the sausage grinder your head and into.

And that's really

I think the the key germane point

because everybody's n equals one is

different, you know, like the questions

that people will ask about this disease

versus that disease. Yeah, they're

different, but fundamentally, if they're

tied or I should say tied

to

the grand unified theory of the software

running the hardware,

the story of actually biophysics in my

opinion, cuz I you know, I've been

accused of making this too hard. You

know, they want me to [ __ ] it down for

people. And I'm like it's really simple

to understand.

The inner mitochondrial membrane is a

piece of territory that goes from NAD to

oxygen.

And in between those two fingers is a 30

million volt charge.

If that charge goes down at all,

it results in the ATPase spin rate going

down. What do we know the spin rate is

today we that we didn't know when I

started medical school? 9,000

revolutions per minute.

So, if you think about one spin per

minute versus 9,000, every disease that

you know is in between

those two numbers.

And it turns out the charge on that

membrane is what controls the spin rate.

That's it. That's all you need to know.

And why is this a good thing to

understand?

Because think about the implications of

what I just told you.

That means that if you have

no matter what the disease is, whether

you're Scott Callan you want to get your

27% muscle mass back,

that you can reverse all diseases and

all situations. Okay? That's really what

it means.

Why is that such toxic news for the

Rockefeller paradigm?

They want to make you a drug client for

the rest of your life. They certainly

don't want you to know

that it's actually possible with

biophysics

to change it. And And this is reflected

in the space program again. Why?

The American space program has chosen

pharma over physics, okay? This Russian

space program has chosen physics over

pharma. And when you actually parse that

out, in my view, the easiest way to

educate people who don't know

about these paradigm-changing kind of

things, start with the space program and

work from there and then realize what

the main difference is.

Rockefeller wants you to believe it's

all about oxygen and the Russians want

you to believe it's all about CO2. If

you start there, then

you start going, "Okay,

why is that the case?" And I I will tell

you, I think it's the most fruitful

um rabbit hole you can go down and I

tell people this

um who I've you know, you know I've done

hundreds of podcasts on these topics,

but what nobody really has ever parsed

out and asked me when I started down

this rabbit hole myself when I was in

the situation like most of the people

watching this are. I want to know what

really moves the needle.

I I translated about $200,000 worth of

Russian physiology

uh after reading Becker's work and after

reading uh a fable by Robin Sharma

called The Monk Who Sold His Ferrari,

I said, "Is this possible? Is what is

what in this book is possible?" And I

found out in the Rockefeller paradigm it

was impossible,

uh but in the Russian paradigm it was.

And I was like, "Okay, I need to go jump

down this rabbit hole and figure out

why ultimately

the environment, the geopolitical

environment, you know, tried to block

the science in space and also Becker. I

mean, our government, DARPA,

ended Becker's career. So, I knew that

the Russian space program and Becker had

to have a link. So, that's why I went to

the extraordinary length to spend a lot

of money 25 years ago

to translate these papers and it turns

out from

that proof of work that I did, I

distilled down a message into two

protocols, the Leptin Prescription and

Cold Thermogenesis Protocol.

Both of those protocols were written in

2005.

Okay? So, we're 21 years past that now.

So, many of the things that you'll

probably ask me about today, for me,

they really are old hat. Why? Because

I've written

and spoke,

been to conferences, I talk about,

you know, the science that underpins

both of them. The interesting thing I

think about both

is that neither are un- are underpinned

by biochemistry. Both are biophysical

protocols.

>> I I love what you've been speaking about

more recently, too. I'd love to talk

about that, but I just

I'm picking up what you're putting down,

and I love it, man. I've I've listened

to dozens of your podcasts. In fact, I

and everything you're speaking about,

I've been just parroting to my clients

and giving them the resources, you know,

Leptin Protocol and such, and sending

them to your site. And I've got a Google

Doc, I'll put it in the show notes for

anybody listening. It's all of the

episodes that I've listened to from

Jack. There's 30-some podcast episodes.

There's 60-plus hours of his

conversations with other people, and I

put them in an order that I think is

most relevant for someone coming in to

start with Jack's work and kind of take

you down the rabbit hole step by step.

Um so, I I was really vocal in 2020, you

know, speaking about what you're saying

about Rockefeller medicine and

everything.

It's obvious at this point, in my

opinion, like you're either on the boat

or you're not. And so,

you know, I wanted to go into this

conversation with the prerequisite

understanding that my followers, my

audience, my community were doing

everything we can to the best of our

ability, to get outside, get in the sun,

ground, and get off tech as much as

possible. And so, I love how you

reference that.

>> Those are all the good things, but now

the next question is that you got to ask

yourself,

are all those things equivalent in all

places on Earth?

And the answer is they're not.

>> Right.

>> So,

I think that's where

the the next big issue happens. Remember

what Rockefeller Medicine teaches people

that your genetic code trumps your zip

code. I tell you exactly the opposite.

Your zip code trumps your genetic code.

So, then you got to ask yourself, what

about your local environment has

changed?

I don't know. You got And the simple way

for you to do this

is you can go back 25 years, 50 years,

100 years, 200 years.

It I think most people that are alive

today would be wise at least to take

their beliefs

back

to uh pre-industrial

United States. Why?

Because that's where the robber barons,

which Rockefeller was one,

that's where the game began to change.

And then how things have changed in

health,

you know, since that time. The The most

operational time for Americans,

specifically,

is probably 1940 to now. Why? Because

that's when the biotechnology arm

of the Rockefeller Foundation started to

work in unison with the big pharma arm

after Standard Oil's broken up. And when

you see that synergy and what the real

goal was, it becomes very simple

uh to save your members and your

listeners a lot of time.

The Rockefeller paradigm basically was

an anti-melanin

paradigm. So, how did they do that?

Anything that made the sun toxic was

something they parodied.

Uh they did it through not only

sunscreens, but the big one was they did

it through

uh elevating glyphosate into the food

chain because glyphosate is a melanin uh

competitive inhibitor. So, when you

understand that when you introduce all

of these things, they deuterate your

water table, which ruins the

biochemistry. This is the reason why

biochemistry isn't the level that you

want to understand at. You have to

really understand what deuterium and

water physically do

and what sunlight does to that pair.

And then the big one, which is the new

one that everybody has kind of ignored,

and for good reason because we've always

assumed that the Earth's magnetic field

was consistent 15 nanotesla just about

everywhere.

And uh turns out that's no longer true.

And that that has been failing on Earth

since 1859.

Uh you don't have to go back that far on

magnetism. I think you really need to

just go back to December 21st, 2012

because that's when the North Pole

started running from Canada

to Siberia, and I think everybody knows

that now. But what the implications of

that are it's changed the magnetic

footprint in some places on Earth by

66%.

It's other places it's gotten

almost 300, 400% stronger.

Uh and when you understand that that now

is a variable that you have to add in,

that's the reason why I'm trying to

explain to people that zip code trumps

genetic code. I'm not trying to make

this difficult. I'm trying to make you

understand that light, water, and

magnetism is a very dynamic couple.

Um it was much easier for me prior to

probably 1 year ago

to have these discussions on podcast.

Why? Because we would spend most of the

time talking about light and water and

very little time talking about

magnetism. And you can see since the new

swarm data's come out, since the USGS

stuff has come out, and there's been

such a humongous change since 2012

in magnetic flux.

We now have to start with magnetism

because it turns out even if your light

is really good and your water table's

good, magnetism can [ __ ] those other two

things up pretty bad.

And

the best place that you can see that

today

is actually in South America and Africa.

Why?

That's where the phenotype of humans has

been changed the most

by magnetic flux. And

this is the reason why we're seeing now

fit people dropping dead.

Uh it's also the reason why like for

example in Argentina in the last 10

years they have a loss of fertility by

47%

by their own numbers. This actually

comes from Rockefeller numbers.

So

obviously that spawned the IVF industry

in South America.

But the interesting thing is the drugs

are not working.

So when you understand that leptin

controls fecundity and fertility, you

start going wait a minute, is this

really a biophysics story as well? And

it turns out it is. So the reason I'm

taking you on this little random walk is

not to be

a [ __ ] about it. What I'm trying to

get people to really understand

is that the biophysics really is the

base layer of understanding

health, well-being, and also avoiding

the centralized sausage grinder that is

centralized medicine. And to me, I think

anybody who's interested in health

optimization, that should be top of the

list. And I think you pointed it out,

although you were very covert about it.

Uh COVID, starting in 2020,

actually has gotten more people on my

side of the ledger than the Rockefeller

side. Why?

>> For sure.

>> Because most people know that they've

been lied to over the last 6 years,

but the problem is they don't know how

bad the lie really is and how deep

the gravity well is for those lies.

But even in the last 6 years, I've

actually

done podcasts to examine that.

Uh

and I would tell you

it's additive to the effects that you

and I are talking about, you know, right

now.

>> Mhm.

I agree completely, man. And like the

Danny Jones episode was great. The

rabbit hole is there and, you know, the

people on my side of the fence are the

people that are like, we hear what

you're putting down. We want to Mel

Gibson from the Patriot, you know, I I

love you use Thomas Jefferson as the

example. And so, you know, that was kind

of And your [ __ ] episode with Alexis

recently blew my mind, the magnetism

episode. And like

>> Yeah, that was the one that I decided I

had to do after the guys came down from

Alex Jones and kind of like

misrepresented,

you know, the science. I didn't like I

didn't like the way that was,

you know, sold

and spread on Alex Jones. And then it

was right when Alex Jones got thrown off

of uh

you know, his current platform. He to

his credit, he did have me on and we did

try to have a cogent discussion about

it. I didn't let him inter- interrupt me

too much, but I still think

that the magnetism angle

I think it's I I we have Look, we have

two guys out there. One guy I respect,

the other the I don't. Uh Ben Davidson

and the Ethical Skeptic. They're talking

about these magnetic um,

apocalypses.

I don't think we're in

a magnetic apocalypse. I think we're in

an excursion.

Mhm. There's 500 of them. We've only had

five

extinction events. So, I think

the mathematics is on our side.

>> Mhm.

>> Ben Davidson

tries to use the telluric currents of

space

to really scare the [ __ ] out of people.

And I think the Ethical Skeptic is doing

something a little bit more genuine

where he's using ancient megaliths and

the telluric currents that come out of

Earth to try to explain

why these megaliths are around and what

they're all linked to.

>> Mhm.

>> And I do think there's a lot more juice

to his theory, you know, which he's he's

really co-opted from other people, but

he's a really diligent science guy.

>> Mhm.

>> I think you can tell that I don't really

think Ben is.

>> Mhm.

>> [laughter]

>> Ben is a lawyer that knows a lot about

solar science, and I give him credit for

that.

But, I just I just can't get behind

you know, the way he delivers the

information that he delivers because in

my world as a neurosurgeon, I don't want

people thinking

you know, that everybody's going to die

in three or four months if you don't

listen to this stuff. And I think that's

what I tried to put out

>> Mhm.

>> in the Lex Fridman podcast so that

everybody would know, you know, I'm not

you know, a catastrophist.

>> Mhm.

>> Probably the closest you'll get is I'm

probably a capital anarchist. That's why

I'm a Bitcoiner

>> Mhm.

>> because I don't like I don't like

anything that's happening in geopolitics

>> Mhm.

>> and fiat money. And the reason for that

is I don't like to see people

controlled.

Um and that should make sense. Why?

Because nature is decentralized and so

is Bitcoin.

That's that's the reason

I feel the way I do. I think anything

decentralized is the way to go.

And it's also the reason why

fundamentally have a huge problem with

AI. It's not that I'm totally anti-AI. I

just want people to understand that when

you use AI, you it centralizes

everything it touches.

So, if it centralizes what it touches,

that means it brings you closer to

Rockefeller medicine or Rothschild

banking and I'm out on that. I'm I'm

very clear. I'm telling you my biases

up front that I do not like

centralization and I don't think it's

optimal for health or wealth.

But I don't want you to think

that the magnetic excursion that we're

in right now

um

is something that I think you truly need

to start prepping for. Do I think you

may

have to think about where you live a

little bit differently

than you probably did if you followed me

say 6 months or 12 months ago? Yes,

because I do think it's changed you

know, the three-legged stool that I

always teach people about, which is

light, water, and magnetism. So, I think

right now magnetism is by far

the number one leg of the stool. Why?

For only one reason, because it's the

one variable that's changing the most.

The eat be light from artificial light.

But now it's not.

And it turns out that when magnetism

changes

it actually in my view, I don't know how

you want to follow up questions with

this, but the two things that I told you

before about NAD and oxygen being the

boundary conditions of your inner

mitochondrial membrane

magnetism changes them the fastest.

And the reason why is this one here gets

deuterated, so it becomes NAD D plus.

>> Mhm.

>> And this one is the most interesting

one. This one tells you

the reason why oxygen isn't how the

biochemists sell it to you. Everybody

thinks oxygen is oxygen is oxygen. It

turns out the ground state of oxygen on

Earth is paramagnetic. That means the

two electrons spin up.

Um when you have a magnetic excursion or

a decline

you get antiparallel spins in oxygen.

What the happens?

Uh oxygen becomes diamagnetic. What does

that mean? Paramagnetic versus

diamagnetic. I'll explain it to you your

audience very easily and to you

and then I think you'll understand why

it's a big deal.

Um

you're from physics you learned a long

time ago in third, fourth, fifth grade.

Michael Faraday has a law when you have

an electric current, electrons running

through, which is what the inner

mitochondrial membrane is,

it induces a magnetic field. That

magnetic field can be used to turn

things. Well, on the inner mitochondrial

membrane, I think everybody knows the

cytochromes basically are a giant

electron chain.

Most people know it as the electron

chain. It carries a 30 million volt

charge. But the fourth cytochrome has

this interesting thing that spins. It's

called an FO head.

And that is where the magnetic flux of

this system comes out. Now, when it's

working optimally you get it at 9,000

revolutions per minute, but when we put

this

chain up again, what draws the electrons

from NAD

to oxygen? It turns out it's the

electronegativity of paramagnetic

oxygen.

>> Mhm.

>> And then what happens? Paramagnetic

oxygen is drawn to anything that has a

magnetic field, which is that spinning

head. So, this raises the point. If you

live in a place like, let's say,

Argentina or Brazil

and the magnetic flux is reduced by 66%

what does it do to paramagnetic oxygen?

It turns it to singlet oxygen.

Singlet oxygen isn't drawn to a spinning

head.

>> Mhm.

>> Fact, singlet oxygen is the thing that

all the retards that are in functional

medicine tell you kill you. It's

oxidative biology.

>> Mhm.

>> That though, triplet state oxygen

doesn't do that.

That has been the ground state of life

for 540 million years

since the Cambrian explosion.

So, guess what? When that changes and

and now we have hardcore evidence

you know, that it does. Anybody who's

not a [ __ ] can go on the internet right

now and find out that it's true what I'm

saying that the North Pole has gone from

Canada to Siberia since December 21st

2012.

That presents a big problem for biology.

>> Mhm.

>> And that's the reason why

having the discussion

about magnetism makes sense because it

turns out say if you work out in indoor

gym and you do it in shoes that are

rubber, you just made your magnetic

um how shall we say sovereignty even

worse. That means you're favoring

destructive forms of oxygen. So, that

means that exercise can be a toxin.

And that is totally counterintuitive

to what everybody believes. But when you

actually understand the biophysics of

it, you go

wow, I need to understand this because

this has huge implications and it really

plays a huge role if uh you happen to

live in one of these places where

there is a magnetic decline. So, that's

that's the reason why

that discussion needs to happen.

>> I agree. There's a a saying that I love

uh when the plant's sick, you don't

change the plant, you change the

environment. And you look at the soil,

you look at the light, you look at the

water. And it's funny [clears throat]

cuz it's like

we're just complex plants in a sense.

And so, I love that you touched on that

piece about exercise. That's something

that I've been hammering on for years in

my own transition of like stopping to

think, you know, putting on plastic

clothes and then this Wi-Fi headpiece to

go into a blue-lit box to work out on

rubber. Like it just is [ __ ]

mind-blowing how counterintuitive that

is to health versus like just go for a

walk outside, you know, you're going to

get more benefit from that.

>> Well, you'll be surprised how many

people online will actually argue with

you.

>> Right. Well, for sure. Cuz

>> you know, I I will tell you like Peter

Attia, who, you know, is one of Rick's

[laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> He famously said on a podcast with a guy

named Chris Williamson

that if you can't do a hundred push-ups,

the EMF from Apple AirPods in your ear

don't matter. Like like you have to

realize this guy has an MD. Now, he

never finished his residency. So, I I I

can't say that he's an authoritarian

uh expert in anything cuz he's got

incomplete Rockefeller education. Some

people may actually even say that's a

good thing. But Peter and I are

diabolically opposite on this topic.

>> Yeah.

>> Why? Because anybody who wears those

Apple iPhones effectively is deuterating

the water table in their head. I mean,

most people don't realize these AirPods

connect this way. They don't go around

your head. They go right through your

head. And it turns out right through

your head where your ears are, your

external auditory canal,

there's a place between your third and

fourth ventricle. And there's a very

slim

uh aqueduct there called the aqueduct of

Sylvius.

That's the Venturi effect. You actually

Everything that you think about with

wine vortexing actually happens in your

CSF.

Well, if you disrupt that through these

Apple iPods in your head, you

effectively deteriorate the water table

in your brain.

>> Mhm.

>> So, you actually become a [ __ ] by

doing this. And, you know, I've I've

been you know, I'm pretty saucy. You

probably know that online.

>> Salty dad.

>> I've actually told people

that this is one of the reasons why you

shouldn't hire Peter Attia, cuz he's not

smart. He's not wise. And the advice

that he gives is bad enough, but when

you actually layer the biophysics on it

and you look at it and you factually

check what I'm telling you,

then you go, "Wow,

it's really bad." And remember, you

know, I tried to do the podcast with

Rick, and Rick was cool about talking

about my advice to him before his heart

surgery with

the use of methylene blue, and Peter

Attia was the one that told him that I

was crazy.

>> Mhm.

>> So,

what I try to explain to people

is you need to vet your experts really

well. And who's packing your parachute

matters, and I I think

just as I tried to highlight

the astronaut for you before,

uh as a good place for you to understand

the difference between pharma and

physics, I think Peter Attia defines

Rockefeller pharma medicine, and I

define the biophysics on the other side.

>> Yep.

>> So, I think when you see our two

opinions and you understand the

perception where it's coming from, then

you'll understand why we see things so

differently.

>> Yeah, I totally agree with that. And,

you know, how ironic even more the

emails that come out with Attia.

And it's just like

>> I don't think it's ironic. I actually

think it makes a lot of sense if you

think about it, why?

>> Yeah.

>> Because those people were the people

that centralized Rockefeller medicine.

Do you want to know the funny part?

I mean, I've laid this out in podcast

already.

The uh GLP-1 craze

directly comes from Epstein.

And remember, this is somebody who Peter

Attia looked up to, uh took care of as a

patient. Uh the email the DOJ emails are

clear on that. When you understand that

Epstein was hired by Rockefeller to

biohack

the human genome project to find out

everything he could about chromosome 2,

then we find out on the Bitcoin side

he does the same thing through MIT math

and physics department.

Begin to see that they're protecting not

only their medical franchise, but also

their monetary franchise. Why? Because

let's face it, you follow the money in

anything, you're going to be led down a

path and here's the point that I made to

you earlier.

Epstein is just like AI, he's a

centralizing force. But he was

centralizing force for Rockefeller in

medicine and the Rothschilds in banking

and the DOJ emails clearly show that he

was also paid

by the Rothschilds $25 million a year.

So, when you actually see this in the

framework

I think, unfortunately, since we're

talking more about health, I don't think

people really understand

that when you bring up these emails,

there's actually a teleologic

good explanation of why

these emails should matter and who you

hire for your experts.

And I think

when you understand that decentralized

thinking encapsulates not only biology

but also the thermodynamics of

decentralized

things like nature and and, you know,

monetary issues I think this is kind of

a a good walk for people

to really understand cuz I always tell

people, don't believe a thing that comes

out of my mouth. I want you to to don't

trust me, verify it. But once you verify

it, then you have a duty to go out and

tell people, look, this is actually

true."

>> Right. I agree, and that's that's where

I'm at. And yeah, ironic not necessarily

the right word, but when when that

someone sent that to me, one of my guys

on my team, I'm like, "Of course. Are

you surprised that, you know, like of

course that makes absolute sense?"

>> were surprised though, to be honest.

>> Right, right. Yeah. Well, you know,

people in your group

>> surprised cuz I don't think they

realized the implications. Most people

would just say, "Oh, this is just,

you know, one rich guy paying a doctor a

lot of money

to take care of him." I I don't see it

that way.

>> No way, bro.

>> I see it I see it a little bit

differently

>> Agreed.

>> because I happen to know

what Epstein was paid to do in 1983 with

chromosome 2.

And like I said, that leads directly to

the leptin melanocortin pathway. And

that's a pathway that Peter Attia knows

nothing about at all.

And that's also by design.

>> Mhm.

>> Um it doesn't surprise me

why Epstein would seek him out to make

sure he kept him as dumb as possible

>> Mhm.

>> that he would be

as popular as popular could be

so that he would keep people using

peptides,

>> Yeah.

>> GLP-1s,

and all the, you know,

fruitful profiteering that comes from

the Rockefeller bag of tricks and big

pharma.

>> Totally. Yeah, I agree with that. That

you connected some dots there for me,

too, with his history. I didn't know

about that his work with the chromosome

2. And and that now it just makes even

more sense, you know, cuz

>> Yeah, he was hired by David Rockefeller.

You You remember when I went off

um

on the Danny Jones podcast about Cat

Casey and Cali Means? And I told you

>> Yep.

>> that their dad worked directly for David

Rockefeller. Well, that group of people

is called the Council on Foreign

Relations, the Atlantic Society. So,

here's the most interesting link, you

know, to

Epstein. Uh in 1983, when he was 30

years old, he was made a charter member

of the CFR

without ever going through the formal

process. He was also added to the

Trilateral Commission. Why was that

done? So that he could get direct access

to the people that were at MIT and

Harvard running the Human Genome Project

because David Rockefeller's family had a

specific goal. That goal was to find out

everything you could about chromosome 2

because the family's biotech wing

started in 1940

and did all the work through MK Ultra,

through light, but also wound up with

glyphosate

um in 1975, and that's what they used to

deteriorate the food empire of the

United States. That's the reason why

people in the United States get fatter

and the people in Europe don't. Most

people think it's, you know, the food.

They blame it on this, you know, the the

garbage pail term that most people talk

about is processed food. That's true,

but they have no idea the process was

putting deuterium in it. And here's the

craziest part of the story,

you know, from 1983 to now, we now have

scientific papers that show if you feed

any human deuterium,

uh brown fat, which is right back here

in the back of your neck as a baby,

turns into white fat. You feed them more

deuterium, the white fat then divides

and becomes more fat.

Okay? So, in other words, they knew

s- really since about 1970

that deuterium does this. They buried

it, and then what did they do?

They came up with a new class of drugs

to try to take all the [snorts] fat

people and try to make them skinny, but

without ever telling you the deuterium

story. That is the reason why

they hired

Epstein,

and it's also the reason why they banned

my TED Talk when it first came out

because they thought

>> Mhm.

>> I was going to unleash this dragon about

the leptin melanocortin pathway

when I gave the talk in 2011. And it

turned out I was a little bit too smart

for that. I didn't really release that

dragon

until I got on that podcast with Rick

and Huberman. That's part of the reason

why

um

I never really wanted to do that because

I knew it'd put a target back on me.

>> Yeah.

>> And um

that though that's what's made probably

the last three or four years of my life

kind of interesting.

>> [laughter]

>> Yeah, I bet. I I really appreciate you

going into some of that cuz there's some

things that touched on there that were

definitely helpful for me that connected

some dots and I know there's some

relevance there for my community. My

thoughts

you know

we can go forward with this in whatever

conversation you think is most

appropriate with my kind of premises

WWTJD

what would Thomas Jefferson do at this

point? There was a couple terms there or

there was a couple things that you said

on the LXD's podcast.

How do we defrag the lattice and how do

we get rid of deuterium? I think are two

things that I'm personally interested in

I think that tie into this to a degree

but um yeah, what what can we do?

>> The number one easy way and this assumes

that you do have good magnetic flux

>> Mhm.

>> is grounding with the sun. That like the

sun is the way we're designed

to defrag. You have to realize there's

two issues here. We already talked

uh a little bit about the first one

is the vortexing of the heart and the

blood and the CSF.

Uh the reason why a vortex works for

deuterium depletion or isotopic

fractionation you have to remember what

a vortex is and I know most people know

what a whirlpool is

>> Mhm.

>> but when you put something in there that

has a higher atomic mass, it gets pushed

out to the outside. The

>> The stuff that is less atomic mass stays

in the center. Well, it turns out in the

brain, the target is the floor of the

fourth ventricle in the center. And

that's where the vagal motor trigone is.

Why? Cuz it turns out the vagus nerve's

real goal

it's not what you were taught in medical

school, it's actually to get rid of

deuterium. And

>> Crazy.

>> eventual goal

is to turn your turds through circadian

mechanism called the gastrocolic reflex

into a Bristol stool four. Bristol stool

four is when you take a dump and you

don't need toilet paper because all the

deuterium's in your turd and not in your

body. Your vagus is really important in

terms of doing that. So, when you ask me

the question about defragging, you can

use deuterium depleted water. You can do

everything possible to make the vortex

both in your heart and your brain

better. Uh some of those things are

pretty obvious like getting out in

nature and being grounded. But some of

the big ones is can you use uh tens

units on your body to be like a vagal

nerve stimulator.

>> Oh, wow.

>> buy vagal nerve stimulators that are now

over-the-counter.

You can do that. And where do you put

them? You do put them on the tragus of

your ear.

Right here or your earlobe. Why? This is

where being a neurosurgeon makes a a

difference. Your external auditory canal

is innervated by a cranial nerve 10,

which is the vagus nerve. So, this is

the reason why that helps. And then

remember, you need to know depending on

on what the problem is. If you want to

improve the deuterium depletion in your

turds, the way to do that is make sure

you do your right vagus. So, you do the

right ear. The reason why is the right

and left vagus innervate innervation

pattern in humans is different. Uh the

left side uh goes around the ductus

arteriosus on the

on the aorta

and it goes a recurrent loop goes back

up to your voice box. That's the reason

why humans talk because we can actually

defrag our left side better than our

right. But, it turns out the thing that

makes your turds is more of the right

vagus nerve that runs in the

tracheoesophageal groove. So, what's

another thing you can do if you don't

want to spend the money on a vagal nerve

stimulator, you can use a tens unit and

put it in different spots where the

vagus goes. Those things easily able to

be found on a simple uh SEO search on

Yandex. Um and I do use Yandex. I don't

use Google because it's a Russian

search. So, you get much better SEO when

you do that.

And um then the next one that you could

do is say if you don't want to use

electricity, even if it's

battery-powered, you can use castor oil.

Castor oil can be placed in your belly

button on a cotton ball and then you

take one of those big Band-Aids and put

it over your belly button. Why does this

work? Well, let's think about what

happened when you were a baby. You were

connected to your mom through the

umbilical cord. The umbilical cord

leaves a scar inside your abdomen um and

it's a a flap of scar tissue that has

70,000 vagal nerve endings in it.

So, when you use hexane-free castor oil,

it is a cis chemical.

Cis meaning a chiral chemical that

mimics melanin.

So, what are you effectively doing?

You're actually making all

the electrons and oxygen spin

the appropriate way. This actually helps

you

uh clear deuterium from your blood. Why

is that? Let's Let's talk about that.

Melanin does a lot of interesting

things. You know that we talked about

glyphosate, glyphosate being a melanin

competitive inhibitor.

Melanin actually chelates metals. Okay,

that's what it does. But, it also does

something else to deuterium. Most people

don't know that deuterium and H+ have a

different nuclear magnetic moment. This

is again back to the physics. And it

turns out the reason why we have so much

melanin not only in our skin but in our

arterial system is it keeps the

deuterium where it's supposed to be in

the blood. That's why the blood

vortexing is important. Where does the

blood vortexing come from? Evolutionary

history. Uh back in the Cambrian

explosion fish were the first ones that

started to vortex their hearts but they

only had one chamber heart so the vortex

wasn't big but it didn't matter cuz they

were swimming in electron dense water.

Then amphibians come along and they have

three chamber hearts. Three chamber

hearts made a much more chaotic vortex.

That meant you could control uh

deuterium and H+ uh more appropriately.

Then we come, the mammals, 320 million

years ago and we have four chamber

hearts. We have the most complex vortex.

But what else did mammals do? This is

the key.

Mammals use melanin to isotopically

fractionate. So you having a tan is

probably one of the key things to do

that. Turns out you always get your best

tan when you're grounded to the magnetic

dynamo. Why is that? Melanin is made

with oxygen in the triplet state.

Remember we're back to that story again.

So it turns out if you're not doing

grounding you won't get as tan as you

possibly could be. This is has huge

implications now for the people who live

in South America because you can see

wow, that means that you can't make

chiral molecules in your body. What are

some of those? Melanin, collagen, apoE.

So is this the reason why people are

getting more Alzheimer's? Is this the

reason why they're getting more

Parkinson's? Is this the reason why you

know, NFL players and athletes in gyms

are tearing their Achilles and ACLs. The

answer is

yes, because the oxygen that they're

using is singlet, not triplet.

>> Mhm.

>> Well, why why is this story, to finish

up the vortex story for you, important?

Deuterium in in itself is not bad. It's

designed to be kept in the circulatory

system. So, how do mammals do that?

If you know anything about the way the

brain forms, we have these neural crest

cells, which is what melanin's part of.

It's tied to chromosome number two to a

gene called POMC.

And alpha MSH is one of the cleaved

proteins that do this. What people don't

really know well is that

neural crest cells follow collagen.

Specifically, two types.

>> Mhm.

>> Elastin and fibrillin.

>> Mhm.

>> Where are they found in the highest

density? In your arteries.

So, guess what?

If the collagen is bad, will the melanin

be able to follow where it's supposed to

go when neural crest cells migrate when

you're inside your mother? The answer is

no.

>> No.

>> Okay? So, that means that you can't

fractionate deuterium well. What does

that mean? It means deuterium leaves the

blood and goes into the cytosol of the

cell, where it affects the mitochondria.

Remember what the game of mammals is? To

keep the deuterium away from that

spinning head, because remember what we

talked about before? If that spinning

head slows down, you get disease.

So, when you understand the biophysics

game

is to keep keep the deuterium where it's

supposed to be, in the arteries, you

begin to realize, so this is the reason

why

um

deuterium can be well controlled through

this process. And when you understand

that the vagus nerve

not only goes from the the fourth

ventricle, but it goes all the way down

to your transverse mesocolon, so it

covers almost every single major

arterial tree in your body. So, this

gives the brain a feedback loop so it

knows what the deuterium level is not

only in the in the heart, but in the CSF

and the arterial system. And it does

this because we have seven different

places in the brain that don't have a

blood-brain barrier and that's where the

brain is sampling the deuterium levels

the body so it it gets its own feedback

what's going on. So, this is the reason

why

you're addicted by chromosome 2. We

talked about this earlier.

From beta-endorphin to go out and and be

addicted to the sunlight because you

need the sunlight to put the alpha-MSH

in your arterial tree to keep the

deuterium away from your nano motors

which are the FO and

and F1 head. And if you do that,

that means you keep the charge between

that 30 million volts between NAD

and triplet oxygen. That's really the

whole game. That's what I spent

18 months and $200,000 learning from

the Russian physicists.

And then, you know, over a process of

several years putting these terms

together so that I can sit down with you

in a podcast and explain to you so that

you don't have to spend $200,000

learning what I learned.

Uh you can clearly now go back and

fact-check it, but the good news for you

is everything that I've just told you in

the last probably 20 minutes, there's

now books written about all these

things.

You can go and read the biophysics books

and say, "Son of a bitch." Like when I

started this,

these books didn't exist and you

probably understand

why that's the case. It goes back to the

Epstein story.

Who was his girlfriend? Ghislaine

Maxwell. Who was her father? Robert

Maxwell.

They controlled Pergamon Press which

controls all the journals and the books

and publishers in medicine. Well, if

they didn't want this information out,

they were in the catbird seat to keep it

away. So, that's how they kept the

Flexner Report [ __ ] game, which is

why Eddie Chang said 50%. Now, you can

see why Uncle Jack said

99% because everything I just got

finished telling you,

most doctors don't learn in their

biochemistry book.

>> Yeah, nobody. Yeah, and that you put it

simply enough. I I feel like I got a

decent grasp on that. You know, we want

to keep the deuterium away from the the

cytosom, you said. So, that way

>> ATP ace, the spinning head in

mitochondria because it destroyed

>> The mitochondria only the mitochondria

in this

this wiring diagram I just showed you

here,

>> Mhm.

>> it's racist. It only likes H+. It

doesn't like deuterium.

>> Mhm.

>> The blood is where deuterium is supposed

to stay.

>> Mhm.

>> Reason why we keep it there is because

to make a vortex, you need atomic mass.

Think about it. You can't make a

whirlpool if you don't have something

with heavier atomic mass.

>> To spin it, yeah.

>> Yeah, yeah. And when you understand it

like that, you start going, "Okay, this

makes a lot of sense now." And then when

you realize that CSF, which is cerebral

spinal fluid, is an ultra filtrate of

blood, and you say, "Wait a minute,

we're spinning that too between the

third and the fourth ventricle."

Like the body is doing some pretty

amazing things. And all those amazing

things are biophysical. They're not

biochemical. And when you understand

that it's all to maintain that 9,000

RPMs in every single mitochondria in

your body, you start going,

"Okay, wait a minute. I need to

understand

that little wiring diagram between NAD

and oxygen."

And that's the reason why making sure

our oxygen paramagnetic is absolutely

paramount.

And the only way NAD gets deuterated is

if your water table gets deuterated

because deuterium leaks out of the blood

and goes into the cytosol and starts

that whole process. So, the question you

asked me about defragging, you can

understand 100% oxygen uh does that.

That's why anesthesiologists use it when

they defrag you when they're trying to

wake you up. Now, you can't get

[clears throat] 100% oxygen uh unless

you buy an oxygen tank. You can do it,

but that's another way to do it. A lot

of other people try to use HBO machines

and and things like that. I wouldn't do

that. One of the best ways to defrag,

which we talked about, but we didn't get

into too big, is cold thermogenesis,

which is the reason why I wrote the

protocol at the same time I wrote the

leptin prescription protocol because

when you get cold, what do you do?

You're knocking the deuterium back into

the blood and keeping it there. How else

does magnetism work with cold? Most

people know this. You don't have to be a

rocket scientist. It's called the Curie

point. And that's Madame Curie's

uh husband. Um

he won a Nobel Prize for this effect.

It's called the Curie point. Means the

colder things get, the more magnetic

they get. Now, there's a couple of ways

we can break that. I'm actually teaching

people that right now. That's how the

Mayans did it in their excursion. They

used rare earth elements in the

buildings that they built to create

these very special Faraday cages for an

excursion.

>> Huh.

>> That's what Tikal is. That's what

Chichen Itza is.

Uh and they were doing it for another

specific reason. All of their pyramids

were built over cenotes, and you know

what cenotes are, right? Those are their

water table. All the water for the whole

Mayan Riviera, there's no rivers. It

comes only from cenotes.

>> Mhm.

>> Where do the cenotes come from? The last

extinction event, which was 66 million

years ago, from an asteroid that hit in

that area. And that's the reason why

there's rare earth elements there. Why?

Cuz they're extraterrestrial.

>> Mhm.

>> So, the Mayans actually figured out how

to purify and defrag their water

using rare earth elements.

Now,

I'm teaching people how to do it

utilizing the periodic table on my blog.

Why? Because it turns out if you live in

a place that's magnetically declined,

some of the things that

the Nubians, the Egyptians, the Mayans

did that seem counterintuitive to you,

you start seeing it go

So, that's the reason why we find all

these big piezoelectric stones that

people were going in, like Göbekli Tepe.

Or

>> Mhm.

>> you start thinking about Stonehenge

differently. You start thinking about

Easter Island differently when you find

out that all these stones were selected

and brought to an area

because the stones were piezoelectric.

>> Mhm.

>> Piezoelectricity is also a biophysical

term.

And that allows you to turn light into

current.

Uh can that be used to protect you

when you have a problem? Because what is

the key problem

in a magnetic excursion that ties to the

vortex

story I just gave you?

So, I'll give you my hand here.

You make believe this is the tectonic

plate. Below here is the dynamo.

Okay? When this gets weak

the atmosphere here, on the top of my

hand here

is the Van Allen radiation belt. It

comes closer to Earth when this gets

weaker. What happens in the hydrology

cycle of of Earth? More deuterium and

tritium fall into the water table where

the things that live on the planet live.

So, guess what the Mayans were kind of

doing?

They were paying attention to the

telluric currents in space and the ones

coming from below,

and they were figuring out

that when aurora showed up at the 20th

north latitude that there was going to

be way more deuterium in the cenote

water and that was going to harm them.

>> Mhm.

>> They figured out a pretty ingenious way

to filter their water utilizing rare

earth elements and piezoelectric blocks.

And when you see this for yourself,

you realize that they're probably the

only ancient civilization

that made it through their excursion

unscathed. Why?

You can come to El Salvador, Guatemala,

and Mexico today and see Mayan people.

Like when you go to Africa today, you

don't see ancient Nubians. You don't see

uh ancient Egyptians. And if we really

take it back to the the biggest last

excursion, the last champ event, you

don't see Neanderthals running around.

They were taken out in that event. They

became us. Or we became them. However

you'd like to to focus it, but the

remnant that that is true, several

people out there who've done genomic

studies with, you know, Ancestry or

23andMe, found out that they had

remnants of

Neanderthal DNA in them.

>> Yep.

>> And when you understand

that the Neanderthals had bigger brains

than us, but would they shrink their

brains to make a bigger vortex,

it points out something that we started

this podcast off with.

Does having bigger muscles really mean

longevity? Well, it turns out if you

look at the brain,

it's exactly the opposite. Neanderthal

brain shrunk and we do better than them

because we make a bigger vortex. It

actually he out the same thing

that I'm trying to point out to you.

Having bigger muscles is actually a

thermodynamic

um

anchor. It's not a good thing to do.

>> Austia.

>> Especially true when you're in an area

that the magnetic flux is not great. You

can't vortex, you know, in your heart or

you can't vortex in your CSF. And it

sounds counterintuitive until we have a

discussion like this.

>> Yeah.

>> You start going, "Wow, I never saw how

these things really connected."

>> Mhm.

>> And I I know that if you ever listen to

Peter Attia's podcast, you'll never get

this information because he doesn't

understand

any of the physics behind it. And I

think since we're currently in

our magnetic excursion and we've been in

it since probably 1859,

it's probably pretty smart for you to

pick up at least some of these concepts

and, you know, do your own due diligence

and learn about, "Hey, what can I do to

defrag myself?"

>> Mhm.

>> Like, for example, on

on Amazon now, you can go out and buy

copper rings. You may not know this, but

I'll give you a a history lesson cuz you

may dig this.

You remember the Carrington event

happens in 1859.

In 1860s, we have this big

toxic problem in France called

phylloxera. Kills all the old ancient

root stocks of the fancy wines. And you

know, you know that one of the first

growth wines, it's called Mouton

Rothschild. What did the Rothschilds do

back when this happened?

Uh

wine grows great in clay. Clay is very

dense, which you know.

The water that fell down from that CME

that hit us deuterated the water fields.

That's actually the real reason

the plants died. So, how they solve for

X?

The smart French, not the Rothschilds,

um they actually started to put copper

rings in the vines. And they found out

that copper was another way for them to

keep the plants alive. Who took that

information in the early uh 20th century

to its nth degree? Who was taken out by

the Rockefellers? A a Russian physicist

called Lakhovsky.

And what did he start doing? He made

these incomplete copper rings and he

would go into hospitals from about 1925

to 1942,

and he placed these

rings and these vortexes on people and

magically they would start to get

better.

>> Mhm.

>> Well, magically he got run over by

somebody who worked for the Rockefeller

paradigm in 1942 in New York City.

Who took up

the science from there? A guy named Slim

Spurling, later in the 20th century. He

started to make copper rings that were

fully closed, and he started to do some

really interesting things with you know,

copper and vortexing water, things that

he picked up from Viktor Schauberger.

>> Right.

>> found that there's a big effect there.

So,

this company on Amazon now has started

to make these necklaces and bracelets

that are made out of copper that mimic

Slim Spurling's rings, but now they're

infusing them with rare earth elements,

specifically neodymium magnets.

>> Sure.

>> So, when I told you I just went came

back from Europe cuz I spoke at a

Bitcoin conference in Prague,

on that trip, all the people in my

family wore these necklaces around their

neck. Why? Cuz it creates an implosion

effect on your vagus nerve so that you

can vortex while you're in space. How

did I know to do that? Turns out the

Russians started to do that for their

cosmonauts in 1971.

>> Yeah.

>> So, when you actually see the science

from the space program show up with

these events that happened in the 20th

century, and then you realize that the

Russians started to use CO2

differently than the United States space

center, and it turns out CO2 is a

magnetic gas.

Carbonated water is another way for you

to defrag

your degraded water table. So, you may

be shocked to hear what the Russians

did. They took all the astronauts on

their tectonic planet in the '50s and

'60s, and they started to put all these

free water stations that were carbonated

everywhere in the Eastern Block.

And what were they doing? They were

seeing the effect on their own

population before they changed

the Russian space

capsules, and what did they do? They

started to use another Russian scientist

you may have heard of,

Buteyko breathing.

Buteyko was a a Russian physiologist

that used more CO2, and he took big-time

advantage of the Bohr and Haldane effect

that goes directly to the

electromagnetic flux that I told you

about that makes paramagnetic oxygen go

there. What was the whole point

of this Russian story? They were trying

to improve

uh

magnetic flux in the capsule after their

cosmonauts died in 1971.

Who ironically gave him that idea?

Robert O. Becker.

And his cancer work.

And who canceled him? DARPA, the

American side of the story. So, when you

actually

see the pieces and parts of this whole

story, and you go,

"So, we can actually buy these copper

magnetic things now and use this when

we're flying." Just remember, what is

jet lag? What did I just teach you in

this podcast, whether you know it or

not?

jet lag and a magnetic excursion are one

in the same. Why? Think about it. I told

you before that the dynamo gets

weakened, Van Allen belts come down.

Well, what happens when you're on the

tectonic you go up in the air.

>> Yeah.

>> the same thing, don't you?

>> You're right.

>> Which which means you're deuterating and

tritiating yourself when you fly. So,

what does that mean if you're smart?

Maybe I should protect myself and

increase my vagal flux when I'm flying

>> Mhm.

>> and maybe I won't get jet lag.

>> Mhm.

>> Okay?

Well, guess what? That's exactly what

Uncle Jack did when he flew to Czech

Republic. I was perfectly fine when I

got there.

>> Did you

>> [clears throat]

>> Eat anything? No.

>> No.

>> Did I wear the jewelry? Yes. Did I look

at any of the screens that were in first

class in front of me? No. All of those

things do to deuterate your water table

when you're flying.

And you're designed not to eat. Why? Cuz

Remember I told you about chromes

cytochrome one to oxygen. The more you

eat, the more action goes across there.

Why is this important for you to

understand?

The Japanese lost a $1 billion satellite

when they flew it through the SAA, which

is the South Atlantic Anomaly,

in 1996. And you know what they found?

They found because they left the

computers on and electrons are moving,

the deuterium and tritium that the the

unit flew

flew through fried it.

So, when I heard that,

I wrote a long time ago a jet lag

prescription

that Ben Greenfield asked me to write.

>> Mhm.

>> And one of the things that's in it said

you should always fast. You can drink

water, but try to drink carbonated water

when you do it. You probably know now

why I said that.

>> Totally.

>> But the reason you don't want to eat is

because you need to turn your satellite

off,

>> Yeah.

>> your mitochondria, when you're flying

and you're going through it with

you know, these areas. And when you see

this for yourself, you're going

So, Jack has been kind of telling us

this biophysics the whole way through.

Like, all these acts of defragging,

they're out there in his blogs. They're

out there in the things he's writing.

The problem is

we're too [ __ ] to understand what

really what he's saying.

>> Hey, yeah.

It takes a while.

>> And then when you do podcasts like this,

and people see your logic and your

reasoning, they go

Is this really survival of the fittest

or is it survival of the wisest?

>> Correct.

>> Peter Peter will tell you it's survival

of the fittest. I think in your podcast,

I've pretty much laid the case

that it's survival of the wisest,

especially when

the planetary magnetic field is going

wonky a little bit. Especially when

you know, we have governments giving us

LED bulbs and taking incandescence away.

Especially when we have big Agra and

Rockefeller medicine poisoning the water

table with deuterium through

a variety of different ways.

And when you begin to see that your goal

as a decentralized mitochondrion

is to optimize light, water, and

magnetism, and understand what that

truly means,

I don't think the game is that hard to

get.

>> Right.

I agree. I I agree with you completely.

It's so funny about the fasting thing

when flying. I've been I've been telling

my tribe that for years, and mainly just

from direct experience of my own

noting. When you're tuned in, when your

system's clean and clear,

you you can pick up on a lot of this

stuff. Your body will tell you. You'll

get the information. And like, what's

the definition of fitness? In my mind,

it's

fit to adapt, you know? Like, wisest, I

totally agree. Fitness is your capacity

to adapt to the environmental demands,

and that doesn't mean absolute strength,

you know? Like, it's wisest, I totally

agree, is actually the the marker of

fitness.

>> Well, you actually know that the

Neanderthals were stronger than us and

they're extinct.

>> Right.

>> Way stronger, yeah.

>> That that really should

actually hammer the meathead paradigm

that's out there, but it doesn't. Why?

Because

you have to realize

Rockefeller science is on their side.

>> Mhm.

>> You have to know that as the user, the

end user. If you don't um then some of

the things that I say, like and you

don't understand the context, you think

I'm crazy.

>> Mhm.

>> It turns [clears throat] out I'm not

crazy. I've done more homework on this

than anybody walking this planet for the

last 25 years. And trust me, I didn't

believe a goddamn thing that I believed

today 25 years ago.

>> Mhm.

>> I would have said it was crazy. But

after going down the rabbit hole and

questioning what I was taught

um I basically do these podcasts to

explain to people

if I could do it as a centralized

neurosurgeon, you can certainly do it as

well.

And I don't think it's as hard as

everybody thinks it is.

>> Mhm.

Yeah. It's just time and effort put

forth. I mean, I used to be that

meathead guy. I was your prototype Chad

12, 15 years ago. Like I was that guy

and I've rewired my whole approach for a

lot of great reasons and I've you know,

had a lot of great support and teachers

like you on the path, but you know, I've

even heard you mention in the movement

space Erwan Le Corre as another great

example of moving more in the direction.

For me, like I'm a pragmatist in a lot

of ways where it's practical application

of the skill. Like what are you going to

do with all of that meat, you know? Like

I fit to function, fit to serve your

community. And I don't know if there was

a a closing note we could loop into

this, you know, the two things that I

wanted to come into was what can the

individual do and we we nailed some

really good points, some stuff I haven't

heard you talk about in the ways that

you have before and then also,

you know, if you want to, you know, tie

in or just, you know, speak to the

community. Say you've got a group of

savages, you got a group of

mitochondriacs, what can the community

do in ways to kind of move the needle?

You know, I saw your Cribs episode of

the Costa del Sol property and I'm doing

something really similar here. I'm in

six acres of a pine tree forest and

we're, you know, I I think trying to

create these little nodes, these healing

spaces for people to come and and

reconnect and learn this stuff over a

period of time cuz it takes time to

figure it out. And so, what would what

would be your message to the community?

>> I think uh focusing on light, water,

magnetism, it's still true that seeing

the sunrise is is incredibly important,

but you have to do it

grounded to a place that really allows

grounding. Like I I need to explain to

you, grounding is a synonym for magnetic

flux. You have to become magnetically

sovereign in the changes on the planet.

And then, I think the water side is the

easiest part. Most people can go and

spend money to to improve their water.

The two ways to do that, if you're lazy,

you just go buy water from high

latitudes. If you're a savage, you go

get primary water that comes deep out of

the earth

that is not deuterated and it's not been

polluted by the surface water level

water. That's what the uh

the people in in Europe used to do. Like

all those big castles that are in

Germany that are on rocks, realize they

used wells from primary water sources.

If you want to learn a little bit about

primary water, look up a guy named

Stefan Reese. He's in blogs that I've

written about recently.

His work has been buried also through

the Rockefeller Foundation and uh a

specific group in California

called the Wonderful Company. They they

want to make sure you never learn about

this.

Um it's a real important thing and just

to I guess finish this up why drilling

your own wells important. This is

probably one of the coolest things I can

tell you because it still exists today.

In the middle of the Mojave Desert,

which you know that I would not be a big

fan of you building a citadel.

This guy Stefan Riess went there, looked

at all the maps, and he was a dowser as

well. So, he was very intuitive. He told

the owner of this land that if they went

down 672 ft, they would hit primary

water. So, this guy spent the money,

drilled down there

in the middle of the Mojave Desert, a

city was born called California City.

It's still there today, close to 100

years after this guy did what he did.

So, this is a community

in a desert in California that doesn't

use any of the Colorado River water that

comes, which is completely deteriorated

and filled with natural fluoride.

The reason I mentioned this to you, it

tells you

that one of the things I do think you

should spend your Bitcoin for

is to make sure that your water source

is pure. If

you can afford to drill a well that deep

cuz it will cost some money,

you have to realize this water will

continue on. Some of these wells that he

drilled are still operational

in the desert in the Middle East. Like

the Saudi royal family brought him over.

And for those of you think that this is

nonsense,

if you listen to other podcasts that

I've done, I tell a story about

President Bukele telling about a lot

that his family wanted to buy as a

coffee finca, and everybody tried to

talk him out of it cuz he didn't have

good water. And I famously looked at the

topological maps and I told him if you

drill down deep enough, you will find

primary water, you'll probably find rare

earth elements, and you'll probably find

a lot of gold. And guess what? When he

did it, he found all three.

So, when you understand

that primary water, just like oil, is a

renewable resource of tectonics, you

begin to realize that the story you've

been told by the Rockefellers to call it

fossil fuels to make you think it's rare

or scarce

is also false. We naturally make water

through the process of tectonics. We do

the same thing with oil. Your goal in an

excursion

is to find that water in your local

environment. And even if you have to

pool your money with people, I think

it's a smart maneuver to do. Um most

people have been told things that I've

said in the last year. You know, go go

buy high latitude water, find yourself a

spring that's high latitude. The problem

is um

people like the wonderful company,

they're making that really difficult for

people to do, especially in places like

California.

And you need to actually be smarter than

them. So, having a good primary source

of water is really important. And I

think if I could highlight what this

gentleman did,

uh cuz he died 1985. A lot of people

don't know about him.

Um the powers that be in the United

States are trying to monetize water,

just like they're trying to monetize

everything else.

>> Yeah.

>> When you begin to understand that water

is one of the legs of the stool,

never miss a sunrise,

really elevate your water, and make sure

you're grounded and you're magnetically

pinned. You do that,

and I think

those are the the best things that one

can do to stay away from the sausage

grinder.

>> Mhm.

You mentioned one thing, too, um

just to add this on

in regards to the magnetism

conversation. You said Hawaii was not

ideal, especially you mentioned

specifically uh Mauna Kea, Big Island,

Oahu. Could you just elaborate on that a

little bit more and any any

>> pretty simple.

For anybody

anybody who doesn't know their geology

history, this is all published on my

website for free. So, if you go to the

forum, it's there.

>> Mhm.

>> But, this is what a lot of people don't

know.

I told you that there's been 500

excursions and five extinction events.

But, what we didn't talk about is when's

the last time

a magnetic flip has been known to occur

on Earth?

It was 780,000 years ago.

That's before the Cambrian explosion.

It's 240 million years before complex

life. So, what does that mean? It means

that bacteria and archaea are the only

living things on this planet that have

navigated multiple flips.

Eukaryotes have not.

So,

where was Hawaii located in the last

flip? This may stun you. It was the

South Pole, where Antarctica is now.

So, how do you know this? When my kid,

my son,

was 6 years old, I took him to the

Kīlauea volcano that was actively

erupting,

and we flew over it, and I brought a

compass. And I said, "I'm going to teach

you something you should never forget."

And when we put the compass and we flew

right over Kīlauea, the compass just

kept spinning. It didn't show where

North or South Pole was. And my son

looked at me and goes, "Dad, why is

this?" I said, "Because

that spot was made in the last

um magnetic pinning, which is before the

flip. The whole island of Hawaii used to

be the South Pole.

Then, I took him down to the Big Island

and right next to Kilauea,

and he saw the same effect happen.

I said, "So, just realize that if Ben

Davidson or The Ethical Skeptic are

correct, and we are, just say, the

Mayans may have been right,

that we are in a true

uh flip,

Hawaii is the last place you want to be,

bro, cuz it might be

close to the South Pole."

>> What's the timeline on that? Like, how

long do I have until I move to El

Salvador?

>> Nobody Nobody knows. That See, this is

the the thing that upsets me about

Davidson and not so much The Ethical

Skeptic.

Davidson's telling everybody it's

happening, you know, right here, right

now. This is the time.

>> Right.

>> But, I will tell you this, if you look

at the the history of Earth, cuz we can

tell from rocks' magnetic hysteresis,

that we are way overdue for a flip,

probably by about 300,000 years. So, the

answer is

it's a big deal, and

I think as the data keeps coming in,

uh we need to pay attention to that. The

one thing I will tell you about this

topic, I do have a reverence for the

Mayans, not for the reason that you

probably think.

It's because they were, in the history

of Earth, everything that I've studied,

the most accurate timekeepers on the

planet. Right. Why? Because they were

astronomers, and they paid attention to

the telluric currents in the ground. So,

they paid attention to both places.

And their calendar, called the long

calendar,

spans about 26,000 years. And what did

they they notice about 2012? They

noticed that three things happened at

that time.

And those three things all line up

with us, meaning the Milky Way galaxy

flying through

um

a very deuterated part of the galaxy.

And they thought that this was a huge

problem.

>> Mhm.

>> Um

the three things that are against us now

also happen to do with

wobbles in Earth and also solar cycles

that one couldn't predict. And their

belief that at least modern people have

ascribed to them

is that the end of the world would

happen on December 21st, 2012. That's

what um you know people like Peter Attia

would tell you.

I'm not telling you that. I believe it's

a process

that began at that time. And if you look

at the movement of the North Pole from

December 21st, which is the winter

equinox, and what was going on in Venus

and Jupiter at that time,

you'll begin to notice that something

interesting started on Jupiter, too. The

red spot on Jupiter and the South Pole

hexagon

>> Mhm.

>> also changed on Jupiter. What does that

tell you?

That the Mayans belief that the Milky

Way is now going through

a different part of space is showing up

on the most magnetically

obvious thing in the solar system that

we can see,

which they looked at through El Caracol.

>> Mhm.

>> [clears throat]

>> They knew with precision because they

were equinox people

>> Mhm.

>> that the process would really begin the

magnetic North Pole moving.

The key

in their

uh issue in the long calendar is you

need to see when you see

uh CMEs or aurora show up in the

tropics. That happened for the first

time in 2024 at the 18 North latitude.

Uh and it happened in the 12th uh South

latitude in Brazil.

>> Mhm.

>> In in May of '24. so I'm going to tell

you

that the North Pole has been moving 55

km a year. That's radically different

than what's going on since the

Carrington event.

So,

I have a reverence for the Mayans

because I think they were warning us

that

the most likely time that a magnetic

flip will happen will be sometime after

2012. Do I think it's going to be,

you know, 25 years, 50 years, 100 years?

There's no way to know because we have

evidence on Earth.

For example, the longest one was almost

50 million years. That was the KT, uh,

not KT, but the Permian extinction. We

know that that was a huge magnetic

excursion. Then there's other evidence

that a magnetic excursion happened in

one day. That's the one that Ben

Davidson wants to sell you on.

I'm not so sure

uh, the answer is going to be 50 million

years or one day, but I can tell you

this.

The Earth history tells us it's going to

happen. Mhm. And the thing is, the

reason I don't spend a lot of time

talking about the flip is because if the

flip happens, we're done. It makes no

sense to talk about it. What makes way

more sense

is to look at what the Mayans did during

their excursion and their 4,500 years.

They were able to survive it and I think

that that's what we're in. We're in

We've lost 9%

of the Earth's magnetic shield in the

last 10 years.

So, when you look at that slope of that

line, that's pretty [ __ ] steep. Like

we don't have

anything in the geologic history

that we can marry to. So, looking in

human history is really ridiculous. The

best thing we can do

is look at the mega-megalithic sites

that don't make sense and you'll find

they all have links to paramagnetic

stones

uh and protection schemes that would

have protected life while humans were

alive.

And do I believe that the Mayans did it

better than anybody else? Yeah, so I

think what I'm teaching people now

is you want to optimize light, water,

and magnetism the way the Mayans did it.

>> Mhm.

>> Okay? That's the real answer I'm giving

you. That's the reason why you know, I'm

talking about wearing these

coil rings with rare earth elements in

it. It's the reason I'm talking to

people about rare earths. I think it's

the reason why Trump is interested in

the tip of Greenland. Why?

The highest level of rare earth elements

on Earth

>> Yep.

>> are sitting right there at the tip of

Greenland, and that is primary crust,

meaning it's 4 billion years old. It's

never been touched by man. Why? Cuz it's

always been under ice. So, when you

understand

what might be going on, I think this is

kind of science

that you want to pay attention to. It's

easy to follow. This is where I do give

Ben Ben uh

Davidson some credit. Like, go watch his

YouTube videos. He has some interesting

things to say. You should really pay

attention to the sun and the solar

rather. Why? Because when a CME is

headed our way, if you are living in

Hawaii and you see one,

it's probably time for you to move

to El Salvador or move someplace where

you can be magne- magnetically pinned

on a volcano. And remember, the

volcanoes that are right behind me here,

they were made 65 to 80 million years

ago

when the North Pole was the North Pole

as it is now.

So, you get an accurate reading. And And

it turns out if we do get a flip, it

doesn't matter where you are on the

planet, you're probably toast.

>> Correct.

>> you're getting an excursion,

boy, this matters quite a bit. It

matters a lot

because if you don't pay attention, you

could wind up like our cousins the

Neanderthals.

>> This is great, Jack. Thank you so much,

man. I think that's a good spot to wrap

up right there. Thanks everybody for

listening. Check the show notes. I'll

drop some links for Jack. Anything

um to direct people to for you, Jack?

>> No.

>> Cool. All right. Well, I'll drop some

links for you guys below and appreciate

you guys tuning in. Drop any comments if

you have them and make sure to go follow

Jack with the links that I provide

below. Take care, everybody.

>> All right. Take care.