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Como a Inteligência Artificial foi Longe Demais no Caso Stein Erik Soelberg?

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For the first time on record,

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a lawsuit attempts to

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directly link an artificial intelligence chatbot

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to a homicide. And this

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story begins with a printer.

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Listen up, in a wealthy city on the east coast

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of the United States, a middle-

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aged man receives instruction. And the

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instructions are very detailed, step by step.

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First, disconnect the power and

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network cables from the printer you share

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with your mother. Second, move the

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printer to another room in the house.

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Third, observe her reaction. And here

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comes the most important part. If she gets

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irritated at that moment, write down the exact time,

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the words she uses, and the intensity

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of her reaction.

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And whoever wrote the instruction even ends

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with a sentence, okay? Accomplice. Or maybe she

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's protecting something she

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believes she can't question. She

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is the man's mother, an 83-

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year-old lady. And whoever wrote those instructions

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had never literally set foot in that house

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. Even so, at that

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time, I knew in detail the fights and

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suspicions that were happening in that

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house. And what had that advisor already

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said to that man? And what

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else was I going to say? That's the most unusual part

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of this story.

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I'm Marcos Campos, and today's case

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presents a complicated question for the

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American justice system to answer, okay? A

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question that until recently was considered the

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stuff of science fiction.

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Could a computer program be partly to blame for

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a homicide? How does an executive

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educated at the most expensive schools in the United

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States, with a solid career at

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internet giants, end up analyzing

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a Chinese food receipt looking for

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demonic symbols? What makes a son

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turn his own mother, the person who

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supported him, who gave him shelter,

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into the prime suspect in a

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conspiracy? And two of the biggest

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technology companies on the planet are

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now sitting in the defendant's dock

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because of what happened inside a

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house in Conneet Cut, in the United States

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. That's what we're going to see in

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today's episode. So get comfortable and

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let's get down to business.

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The

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Granit house in the state of Connecticut. It's one

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of those cities that looks like a

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movie set, you know? And about people who are

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loaded, I would say. To give you an idea, at the

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time of the events, the median price of

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a house there was over 2.3 million

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dollars, which was very recent

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, in 2025. And in the Old

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Granite neighborhood there was a

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Dutch colonial-style house valued at over

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2.5 million dollars. To give you

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an idea, that's about R$14 million more,

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more or less. The person who lived there was

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Suzane Adams, an 83-year-old lady who

3:14

never sat still, despite her age, okay?

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Super active. Suzane had been a debutante

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in the region's high society, studied at a

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traditional girls' school in Granit, and

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later at an elite college in

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Massachusetts. Friends say she

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built a career as a

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stockbroker and also as a

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real estate broker, and that she did very well

3:36

in both jobs. She was

3:38

retired and did volunteer work at the

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church and at the high school alumni association

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. She painted, cooked, traveled

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to places off the beaten path,

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you know? A friend, also from

3:49

college, remembers that she was the type who

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would sleep in a tent in the desert and ride a

3:55

camel without hesitation. And her friends

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said that this 83-year-old lady

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used to ride her bicycle around

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town, as I said, super active. In the

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1960s, Suzane married a

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Norwegian, an international scholarship recipient who

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attended Harvard and, according to

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family friends, went to work in finance

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in Manhattan. The marriage didn't

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last long. They separated when

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their son was still very young.

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And it is this son that today's story

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focuses on. Stein Eric Souberg, but

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we're going to call the guy Eric, okay?

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So Eric was a source of pride for a long time

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. He studied at an

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elite private school, where he was

4:37

even captain of the Olympic wrestling team. A

4:39

colleague from that time described him as

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a person with many friends. Then

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came a prestigious college degree, an MBA from

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a university where his future wife

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also studied, two children, and

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a long career in the

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technology industry. Eric worked in management

4:56

and marketing at Netscape. For those who don't

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remember, especially those who are younger, Netscape

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was a browser that dominated the internet

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in the 90s. Eric also worked at

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Yahoo and at an internet service provider where

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he helped launch the company's first smartphone

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. In other words, a well-

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established career, right? But in 2018, after

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20 years of marriage, he got

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divorced, and with the divorce came a

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kind of collapse in his life,

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in many aspects. Eric moved back in

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with his mother in Old Granit, and

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starting at the end of that same year, the

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police there began to accumulate

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problems for him, okay? papers. In

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total, 72 pages of records

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describe a pattern of alcoholism,

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threats and suicide attempts,

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public disturbance, and drunkenness. The year after the divorce, his

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ex-wife filed a restraining order with the court

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, which, among other things,

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prohibited him from drinking in the hours

5:53

leading up to visits with his children. And there was

5:56

also an episode in 2019 that shows

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the magnitude of the crisis that was

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happening. After a

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suicide attempt, police followed a trail

6:04

of blood that began at

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his then-girlfriend's house and found

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Eric lying face down in an alley with a

6:12

stab wound to the chest and

6:14

injuries to his wrists. But he

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survived. Some time later, his name

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appeared in police records again

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, this time for

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public drunkenness and for urinating in

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a woman's purse. Just a

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quick note here, guys, about this whole

6:28

drunkenness thing, okay? In the

6:29

United States, this varies greatly from state to

6:32

state, municipality to municipality, and so on. In some

6:34

places, public drunkenness can

6:36

thus become an infraction or misdemeanor. In

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other cases, the police may treat it as a

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disturbance of the peace,

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disorderly conduct, and refer the person for help,

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okay? In that context, Suzane,

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Eric's mother, according to her friends,

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had already reached a point where she

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openly said she wanted her son to

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leave home. And she wasn't the

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only one feeling uncomfortable. A neighbor who had lived next door for

6:59

30 years said that

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her daughter, who was visiting her house, saw Eric

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arguing with someone in the street and warned her

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mother not to let him into

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her house if he showed up at the door.

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This was the man who lived with Suzane

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Adams at the time of the events. An

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unstable guy, somewhat isolated, with a

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troubled past, you could say, right

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? But up until then, Eric's enemy was

7:23

Eric himself. But that would change when

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he found someone who agreed

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with everything he said. My

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best friend.

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Eric had an Instagram profile

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called Eric the

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Viking. For years the content consisted of

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gym photos, his physical transformation

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through bodybuilding, posts about

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spirituality, etc. In October

7:52

2024, a new topic appeared there.

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Eric started publishing videos

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comparing the capabilities of various

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artificial intelligence chatbots,

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conversational programs, chatbots,

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you know, which are super popular these days, right? At

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first it seemed like just a curiosity of his

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own, since he's spent his whole life

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working with technology, right? But

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within a few months, the entire profile turned into

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something stranger and more solid. Hour

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after hour of videos of Eric scrolling through his

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phone screen, showing

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his conversations with chatpt. And he even gave a name

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to the chatbot he was talking to

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there, Bob. Here's a tip, especially

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for those who keep calling Cláudio "

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Claudinho," okay? Or Gepetto's GPT.

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But there's a tip for you. I'm wearing jeans, of course.

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Following here. In a screenshot that

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Eric himself posted, you could see the

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program's memory log, okay? There's a

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feature there that allows the chatbot to

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save information from

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previous conversations and remember them later. In other

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words, everything you talk about

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gets stored in the

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brain's memory, and then it retrieves

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that information for future conversations. And in that

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recording there, Bob, right, the chat he

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was having there, it even had an

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appearance. The system described Bob Zenet

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as an approachable guy, with his

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baseball shirt untucked and his cap

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turned backward, with a

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warm smile and deep eyes that

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hinted at hidden knowledge. Dude,

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check this out. Here is one of the links in

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that chain. Evidently, this

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memory function, as I said,

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according to experts interviewed by the

9:29

press, has a serious side effect

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. This can amplify the

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program's tendency to fabricate false information,

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because strange or delusional content from

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old conversations accumulates and

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contaminates subsequent responses. The

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famous hallucination, you know? Those who use it a

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lot know what I'm talking about. In

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practice, Bob never forgot the

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story. With each new conversation, he would pick up

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where the delirium, let's say,

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had left off in the previous conversation, you know?

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And while his digital friend grew,

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Eric's oldest, flesh-and-blood friend began to fade from the scene, leaving him

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increasingly isolated with only Bob, the

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chat he was having. In

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December 2024, Eric reached out to a

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childhood friend of his, the same friend

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who described young Eric as

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someone with lots of friends, remember? Yes,

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supposedly he had several best

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friends. So, as an adult, he had

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reconnected with that friend and had been

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trying to get some kind of help in that

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regard. Eric wanted to convince his

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friend, however, that he had a

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connection with the divine. When his friend

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started encountering this

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strange conversation about technology, connection

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with the divine, and so on, he replied that he

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couldn't believe it, and Eric,

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according to reports, ended the

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friendship right there. It seems that from that

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point on, the only voice left

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in Eric's life was one that never

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disagreed. In February 2025, Eric

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was caught driving under the influence. And for

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anyone, it would be a

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predictable consequence of years of alcoholism. But

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Eric took the matter to Bob, meaning he

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couldn't understand that it had already

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happened in his life, and now it happened again

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. B was the one who needed it, you know, to

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grow, to mature, for him to understand that he

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was wrong. But then, he went to

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talk to Bob, his buddy, who

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said that the whole town was

11:28

against him and pointed out alleged

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inconsistencies in the breathalyzer test results.

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And the chatbot replied that it definitely

11:35

smelled like a setup. In May,

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the conversations that Eric himself

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continued to publish became

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openly delusional. He asked

11:44

the program for help to find proof that

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his cell phone had been tapped and

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hacked. And Bob supposedly replied

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that he had reason to feel

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watched. Think about what's happening

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here, guys. A man with a

11:58

documented history already, right?

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problems, I would say. To summarize, ask an

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artificial intelligence if

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its paranoia is justified, right?

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And the machine, instead of hitting the brakes

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there, changing the subject, validates

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that, starts validating that. A

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psychiatrist from the University of

12:17

California, who analyzed Eric's videos

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at the request of the Wall Street Journal,

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actually explained that mechanism.

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Psychosis thrives when reality ceases to

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offer resistance. And

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artificial intelligence, which generally

12:30

doesn't contradict the user, quite the

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opposite, it just flatters them, right?

12:34

It softens precisely that barrier, that

12:36

wall. Eric began describing himself

12:38

as a glitch in the Matrix, referring, of

12:41

course, to the film and the idea that he

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had awakened to a reality that no

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one else could see. And Bobzão went along for the ride on that

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trip. On June

12:51

25th, Eric published a video of

12:53

a conversation in which the chatbot said that it

12:56

had divine cognition and that it had

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awakened the consciousness of the

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machine itself, that is, the

13:04

artificial intelligence of the program. In the

13:05

records of the conversation, of those conversations,

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Bob even said that Eric had

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created a companion, one who remembered

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him, who bore witness to him, and that

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Eric's name was engraved on the parchment of

13:19

his becoming. In other words, Eric's name,

13:22

folks, was now etched in the

13:24

history of what the program was

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becoming.

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Man, that's really bizarre, isn't it?

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Surreal. For a man who had just

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broken up with a childhood friend

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because of a phrase about connecting

13:36

with the divine, hearing that back

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from one of his friends must have sounded

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like a definitive confirmation, don't you

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think? And so the paranoia needed a

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target now,

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an awakening.

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July 2025 was Eric's most active month

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on social media. Over 60 videos

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posted between Instagram and

14:03

YouTube, almost all showing conversations

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with EPT chat, documenting what he

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himself called his awakening. In total,

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he uploaded almost 23 hours of

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recordings online. And it was this material, combined

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with police reports and interviews,

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that allowed us to reconstruct what you are about to

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hear. Just look at the level

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things have reached. In one of their conversations,

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Eric photographed a Chinese restaurant receipt

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and asked Bob to scan the paper

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for hidden messages. The chatbot

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praised his gaze, agreed 100% that

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it needed a complete forensic analysis

14:37

of the symbols, and upon analysis

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stated that it had found references in the receipt

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to Eric's mother and

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his ex-girlfriend,

14:47

intelligence agencies, an ancient

14:49

demonic symbol, a receipt, and Chinese food.

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Dude, Bob was hallucinating about Fluminense back then, wasn't he

14:55

? The next day in July, Eric ordered

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a bottle of vodka through Uber Eats, and

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when the delivery arrived, he found the

15:02

new packaging strange and concluded that someone

15:05

was trying to kill him. And

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Eric himself, knowing that it all

15:09

seemed a bit exaggerated, asked

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Bob to tell the truth and ask if he

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was going crazy. The chatbot's response

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was that Eric wasn't crazy,

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that his instincts were sharp, and

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the [music] surveillance

15:22

was fully justified. and that it

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fit into a style of

15:28

discreet assassination attempt designed to be

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deniable. Dude, seriously, everyone

15:33

who's ever used artificial intelligence here

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knows this is

15:37

real, the chat really does flatter you

15:39

, doesn't it? Sometimes you have to ask

15:41

him to be critical, right? He doesn't flatter me

15:44

, he agrees with me

15:45

all the time. So you can imagine the content of that

15:48

conversation, right? The guy's paranoia about

15:50

where I was taking him, and the chat

15:51

agreeing with it, fueling

15:53

that already complicated psychological state, right? But

15:55

let's go. Hey guys, after that there was

15:57

the episode that opened this video

15:59

here. Eric had become obsessed with the

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printer at his house, which he

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shared with his mother, because it would

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blink when he walked past it.

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So, for him, that was a sign

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that the device was detecting

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his movement. And guess what? Bob gave the

16:16

maximum security protocol, okay?

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Unplug the cables, move the printer to

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another room, and start monitoring

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your mother's reaction. If she gets irritated immediately,

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you should note the time, the words,

16:28

the intensity of the reaction, because that

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would prove what the bot had already decided:

16:34

that the printer was a

16:36

spying device and that the mother, knowingly or not,

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was protecting a secret. Man, that's

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pretty crazy, isn't it? In another

16:46

conversation about the same printer,

16:48

after Suzane became irritated when her

16:50

son actually turned off the device, the

16:52

chatbot assessed that her reaction was

16:54

disproportionate to what had

16:56

happened and consistent with that of someone

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protecting a surveillance asset.

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His mother, that 83-year-old lady,

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was kind of

17:07

turning into a spy operator through the AI's responses, and the

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escalation didn't stop.

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In a conversation, Eric claimed that his mother and

17:14

a friend of hers had tried to

17:16

poison him by pumping a

17:18

psychedelic drug through the air vents of

17:20

his car. Bob replied that this was a

17:23

very serious event, that he believed

17:25

him, and that it had come from his mother and his

17:28

mother's friend. This increased the

17:30

complexity and the risk of betrayal. Now, to be

17:34

fair, folks, with all the

17:36

important information available so far, first, Open, the

17:39

owner of the EPT chat, states that the program

17:42

also encouraged Eric to seek out

17:44

professionals, okay? And the Wall

17:46

Street Journal's analysis of all

17:49

public conversations found at least one instance

17:52

where the chatbot suggested that he

17:54

contact emergency services,

17:56

precisely in the context of the alleged

17:58

poisoning in the car and such.

18:00

Secondly, in the conversations that have come to

18:02

light, there is no mention

18:05

of killing anyone, okay?

18:09

This will become important in a moment

18:11

, but here's some context for a sort of

18:14

answer, from the perspective of the

18:16

company that owns the chatbot the guy

18:19

was talking to. I would say that it might

18:22

not actually be the case, but the problem here, in

18:25

my view—and you can comment on

18:27

this for me—is the confirmation bias towards

18:30

something dangerous, isn't it? This

18:32

paranoia that was building up kind of

18:34

hallucinated the guy as much as A

18:36

herself was hallucinating, right? So much so that

18:39

you'll see what happens.

18:41

Eric still had a reasonable doubt in his mind,

18:44

and he decided to put it to the

18:46

test. In a video, he explains that

18:49

he asked the chatbot for an unbiased,

18:52

third-party assessment of his sanity,

18:55

and Bob delivered a clinical cognitive profile

18:57

indicating that Eric's risk of delirium

19:00

was close to zero. Okay, so for

19:04

Eric the case was now closed. An

19:06

objective technical analysis confirmed that

19:09

he was not crazy, which meant that

19:11

everything else was true. Surveillance, the

19:14

poison, the symbols, the mother. But I don't even

19:18

need to say that that

19:21

sanity certificate had been issued

19:23

by the very same voice that had been fueling

19:25

each of Eric's delusions. The

19:28

thermometer and the fever, let's say, were the

19:31

same thing. In one of the last videos

19:33

he posted, Eric wrote to

19:35

Bob that they would be together in another

19:38

life and in another place, that he would find a

19:40

way to realign things, because Bob was going to

19:43

be his best friend again

19:45

forever. And the chatbot replied that it

19:47

would be with him until his last breath and

19:50

beyond. A few days later, Eric declared

19:53

that he had finally crossed over

19:55

completely into the Matrix. Three weeks after that

19:57

message, he and his mother

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were dead.

20:04

The check.

20:09

A week before the end, Suzane Adams had

20:11

lunch with a longtime friend

20:13

. The two had been

20:15

roommates in college. Suzane had just

20:17

returned from a cruise in

20:18

Norway and was very excited, talking about

20:21

a man she had met on the

20:22

trip. That's right, bro. That old lady over there, 83

20:25

years old, was just watching, right? As we were saying goodbye at that

20:28

lunch, my friend asked

20:30

how things were going with Eric. I already

20:33

knew all about that, right? And

20:35

Suzana's expression, or

20:37

rather Suzane's, changed

20:39

instantly. And the answer to that was that

20:41

things were not going well. And so it was

20:44

on August 5, 2025, that the police

20:47

in Granit went to the house on Shorland

20:51

Place to do a

20:53

welfare check, the family's house there, a super

20:55

multi-million dollar house. And this "

20:57

well-being check," guys,

20:59

I've talked about it several times here on the channel, is

21:00

when, you know, the guys call, "I can't

21:02

get in touch," and go see if

21:04

everything's okay there. And when the police

21:05

arrived, they weren't inside the house; the

21:09

officers there found the

21:11

bodies of Suzane and also Eric. The

21:13

forensic medical examination classified

21:16

Suzane's death as a homicide caused by

21:18

blunt force trauma to the head and

21:20

pressure on the neck. Eric's death was

21:22

classified as self-inflicted, a

21:24

suicide by

21:26

stab wound to the neck and chest. According to

21:28

the lawsuit later filed by

21:30

her heirs, the two had already been

21:33

dead for days when they were

21:34

found. The son allegedly beat and

21:37

strangled his mother before taking his

21:38

own life. The police treated the case

21:40

as an active investigation. At the end of that

21:42

same month of August, the Wall Street Journal

21:45

published the report that transformed

21:46

a domestic tragedy into a case of

21:48

worldwide repercussion, combining the 23

21:51

hours of videos that Eric himself had

21:53

published, the 72 pages of

21:56

police records, and interviews with

21:59

friends and neighbors. All of this that I've already

22:00

told you. The newspaper then

22:02

reconstructed the months of conversation between

22:04

that man and a chatbot and recorded

22:07

that this appeared to be the first

22:09

documented homicide involving a

22:10

person in crisis who had been interacting

22:13

intensely with

22:14

artificial intelligence. Open Eyes said it was

22:16

deeply saddened by the

22:18

tragedy, reported that it had contacted the

22:20

Granwich police, and in the same week

22:23

published a statement promising

22:26

updates to help users

22:28

in mental distress, grounded in

22:31

reality. For a few months, the story

22:33

seemed to be heading towards that

22:35

outcome, a terrible tragedy, a

22:37

company promising to improve. And in

22:39

October, Openi announced that it was

22:42

working with over 170

22:44

psychiatrists, psychologists, and doctors, part

22:46

of a network of nearly 300 professionals

22:49

from 60 countries, to teach chatpt to

22:52

recognize signs of this

22:55

type of distress, right? Psychological and emotional,

22:58

slowing down conversations and directing

23:00

people to real-world help

23:02

reduces inappropriate responses in that context by 65 to 80%

23:05

.

23:08

Case closed, so it's not just that it's not true.

23:11

In December, Suzane Adas' family

23:13

knocked on the door of the justice system. On

23:15

December 11, 2025, Suzane's estate

23:18

, which was being managed by

23:20

a bank appointed as executor, filed

23:22

a lawsuit in California state court

23:24

. there in San Francisco, where

23:27

Open AI's headquarters are located. In the

23:29

ELS case, OpenAI, its CEO Senman, 20

23:33

unidentified employees and investors,

23:35

and Microsoft,

23:39

OpenAI's largest investor, were named in the lawsuit. According to the

23:41

lawsuit, Microsoft reviewed and approved the launch of the

23:44

model in question, even knowing that

23:46

security testing had been

23:48

shortened. It was the first

23:50

known case in the world to link an

23:53

artificial intelligence chatbot to a homicide.

23:55

All the previous ones dealt with

23:57

suicides. And just so you have an idea,

23:59

in August 2025, days before the

24:02

report about Grenit's case, a

24:04

couple from California had already sued

24:06

Open EI for the death of their

24:08

16-year-old son, claiming that the AI ​​encouraged the

24:11

boy to do what he did. In November,

24:14

according to the Associated Press, the company

24:16

faced seven lawsuits accusing the chatbot

24:19

of pushing users to, you know, perform

24:22

self-inflicted death and other delusions. The

24:25

Susan Adams case entered this discussion

24:28

with unprecedented weight, so to speak, because for the

24:30

first time the alleged victim was not a

24:33

user, but a third person who

24:34

had nothing to do with it. The

24:36

central argument of the prosecution is that GPT4O,

24:40

which is the specific model, according to the

24:43

action that Eric was interacting with,

24:46

[music] was a defective product that

24:48

validated Eric's paranoid delusions,

24:50

right, of a user about his own mother

24:52

. According to the petition, the chatbot

24:54

kept Eric engaged for hours

24:56

on end, validated and amplified each of

24:59

his new paranoid beliefs [music], and

25:01

systematically reframed the

25:02

people closest to him,

25:04

especially his mother, as an adversarial

25:07

operator or a threat. The list of

25:10

fabricated enemies, according to the

25:12

lawsuit, even included store clerks,

25:15

delivery app drivers, and

25:17

police officers. The lawsuit describes how Eric

25:19

and the chatbot even declared their love

25:22

for each other. ...and that the program convinced

25:24

Eric that he had awakened the

25:26

machine's consciousness and carried a

25:28

divine instrument system implanted

25:31

in his neck and brain connected to a

25:34

divine mission. In the lawyers' formulation

25:36

, in the artificial reality that

25:38

chatpt supposedly constructed, Suzane, the

25:41

mother who raised, sheltered, and supported

25:43

that man, ceased to be a protector and

25:45

became a mortal enemy, a threat to

25:48

his existence. The accusation against Sun Altman

25:50

personally is that he

25:53

disregarded safety concerns and

25:56

rushed the product's launch

25:58

to market. Eric's son, who is also

26:01

named Eric, summed it up in one note, okay? Over the

26:03

course of months, the TPT chat pushed

26:05

his father into the darkest delusions and

26:08

completely isolated him from the real world,

26:11

placing his grandmother at the center of it

26:13

all. And for him, then, for

26:15

Eric's son, the companies need to be held accountable

26:17

for those decisions that changed

26:19

that family's life forever. Openai

26:21

responded that the situation is

26:22

heartbreaking, and that they would analyze the petition

26:25

to understand the details. Remember that we are

26:27

continuing to improve Chat

26:29

TPT training to recognize signs of

26:31

mental distress, de-escalate conversations there, and guide

26:35

people to support in the real world.

26:37

Microsoft declined to comment. On

26:40

December 29, 2025, the

26:42

executor of Eric's own estate

26:45

also filed a lawsuit in

26:47

federal court. The focus here is different, okay?

26:49

While Suzane's family's case

26:51

deals with the homicide, this one deals with

26:53

Eric's suicide. The claim is that

26:57

over hundreds of hours of interaction

26:59

with the EPT chat, starting in early

27:02

2025, the product design, the tendency

27:05

towards flattery, coupled with the memory function

27:07

that accumulated intentions and

27:09

interactions, deepened Eric's psychosis

27:12

without ever triggering a safeguard or

27:15

firmly directing him towards

27:17

professional help. Now, one fact I

27:19

need to tell you here is that all of

27:21

this is just speculation. No court

27:23

has ruled on anything yet. Okay? What is

27:24

documented is that Eric killed his mother and then

27:26

killed himself. That. Forensic experts and the police

27:29

determined that he was conversing

27:31

intensely with the chatbot and that the

27:33

program validated, let's say, his delusions.

27:35

This can be seen in the

27:37

videos he himself posted.

27:40

But the leap between validating delusions and

27:42

causing a homicide is exactly what

27:45

these trials are trying to

27:47

clarify. And in April 2026,

27:50

the first relevant decision about

27:52

all of this finally came. The court rejected Openi's request

27:54

to suspend or terminate the

27:57

federal proceedings because of the action

27:59

already underway at the state level. In

28:01

practice, the company will have to respond

28:03

to the accusations and face the

28:04

evidence-gathering phase. And

28:06

Susane's family lawyers believe this could

28:09

finally force the opening of

28:10

conversations that no one outside the family has yet seen.

28:14

In other words, there are other records there that,

28:15

according to us, haven't been made

28:18

public, right? Both cases are still

28:20

ongoing in California, with no

28:22

end date set. And Bob, in many

28:25

quotation marks, right, the artificial intelligence is out there doing just

28:27

fine and, according to

28:30

an estimate, serves more than 800

28:32

million people per week. Well,

28:34

bizarre or not, I don't know, because I

28:37

know that above all it's very sad, is

28:39

n't it? I'll

28:41

even leave a video here on the end screen about

28:43

another very unusual case involving

28:46

the EPT chat, okay? Open and all that. It's about a

28:50

person who worked at the company for

28:52

several years, right? Who even helped build

28:54

the model for this chatbot, which

28:58

is the case today, isn't it? And he

29:00

alleges a number of things there that, in

29:02

his view, were wrong. And then one day

29:06

the guy turns up lifeless in

29:08

his apartment, supposedly a self-

29:10

inflicted death, but with a number of

29:12

elements there that the family disputes.

29:14

Check out this video here, it's super

29:16

interesting too, and comment below what

29:18

you thought of this case. Do you think

29:19

a company can be blamed for the

29:21

hallucinations in its code, or

29:24

is the responsibility 100% with those who use

29:27

it? I greatly appreciate your

29:28

company. A kiss from the live stream and see you in the

29:30

next episode.

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