Harrisburg City Council - Public Hearing, Work Session and Special Legislative Session

We're going to start with our public

hearing. So, I'd like to call that to

order. Again, it's 5:30 p.m.

Mr. Parker, could you please call the

role?

Yes. Thank you.

I'm sorry.

Miss Daniels,

Miss D.

Miss Davis,

present. Miss Green,

Mr. Jones

here,

Ms. RWS,

Mr. Rodriguez

present.

Ms. Hill

present. Thank you. Uh, the sole

committee business for this public

hearing is lies with the community and

economic development committee. I will

defer to our community and economic

development committee chair,

Councilwoman Daniels, to lead

discussion.

Mr. Parker, could you read the

resolution for the record, please?

Yes. Bill Five of 2025,

an ordinance amending the city of

Harrisburg's official zoning map to

change the parcel zoning designations of

261

North 3rd Street from the institutional

INS zone to the commercial neighborhood

zone pursuant to chapter 7-303

of the codified ordinances of the city

of Harrisburg.

Thank you. Can someone from the city

please explain what the request what's

the request and where we are

particularly?

Uh sure. Uh good afternoon city council.

Uh Jeffrey Knight plane director with

the city of Harrisburg.

Oh sorry I always if we could first um I

will uh read the exhibits into the

record and then we will have any and all

of our potential witnesses be sworn in

for the purposes of the public hearing.

Um, so pursuant to chapter 7303, sorry,

um, madame court reporter, Tarsa

Cameron, deputy solicitor, city of

Harrisburg, pursuant to chapter 7303 and

for the zoning map amendment for 2601

North Thirdrd Street, I first would like

to say that there is a technical

correction to the bill. So will be bill

five as corrected. To read it into the

record, it is line 86 of the bill. Line

86 and 87 of the bill should now read

parcel ID number 10-042-00001

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identified as 261 North 3rd Street

presently zoned institutional PNS

is to be reszoned as commercial

neighborhood PNS CN. The exhibits will

be as follows. Uh, exhibit A is the

language of the proposed bill as

corrected. Exhibit B is the zoning map

amended amendment application with

attachments. Exhibit C is the planning

bureau case report. Exhibit D is the

resolution of the Harrisburg Planning

Commission. Exhibit E is posting and the

proof of posting. Those are photos. I

believe there are five. Exhibit F is the

public notice of the advertisements. And

exhibit G is the proof of publication of

those advertisements. If we can now have

uh zoning officer Knight as well as the

applicants representative be sworn in.

Gentlemen, whoever plans to testify,

would you raise your right hand?

Do you swear or affirm that the

testimony you are about to give is true

and correct to the best of your

knowledge?

Okay. Zoning Officer Knight can now

speak to what the purpose of this zoning

map amendment is.

Okay. Uh uh so um as noted uh this uh

bill is in relation to a zoning map

amendment for 2601 North Third Street.

Uh this is probably better known as the

uh Poly Clinic Hospital uh in Uptown uh

Harrisburg. Um as noted the uh current

zoning designation uh is institutional

um which was um of course um you know

adequate and appropriate for uh the

property when it was functioning as a

hospital. Uh but in recent years um the

uh various uh buildings have been

vacated from uh that type of use. Um and

uh the applicants uh have purchased the

property and are looking to redevelop

the property uh in the interests of um

encouraging the redevelopment of the

property as uh it's a fairly uh large

campus uh with um you know millions of

feet of uh square footage on it. Um the

applicant has uh proposed to change the

zoning designation to something that

would be uh more accommodating to that

redevelopment. Uh initially I believe

the applicant had proposed a downtown

center uh redevelopment designation. Uh

during uh the discussion at the planning

commission meeting um and in the

planning bureau's case report uh

planning bureau staff had recommended

the um the property be reszoned to a

commercial neighborhood designation uh

for a variety of reasons. uh both um you

know geographically the downtown center

was obviously designed for the downtown

center where you have a much more uh

intensive use of development um of

density of uh uses um and uh because uh

the

uh commercial neighborhood designation

um is more appropriate for uh the middle

of a residential neighborhood like the

uptown uh shopping or the uptown

neighborhood uh is reflected in. And um

additionally the there are adjacent

properties to this site which are zone

CN. So uh overall um we felt that a CN

designation uh was most appropriate for

the site as it would uh both uh allow

the applicant um to pursue a variety of

different uh uses uh when considering

how to best use uh this site uh while um

still ensuring that any such uh

development uh uses or intensity was

appropriate for the neighborhood in

which it was located. Um, and I would

like to note uh that uh this uh proposal

is one half of um the overall uh

presentation that you'll be receiving

today. There is an associated

subdivision with this uh pro project as

well. Um so uh I'll let the applicant

provide a bit more um background on uh

on their approach to the project and

what uh they're anticipating as well as

the engagement they've done with the

city. Uh but um the the planning uh

commission uh recommended that the city

council approve uh the request uh for

the following uh request to convert the

property from uh institutional zoning to

commercial neighborhood zoning uh for

the following reasons.

Uh the proposed downtown center zoning

district uh would the originally

proposed downtown center zoning district

would not be appropriate for the subject

property given the distance significant

distance to downtown Harrisburg and any

other DC's own property and given the

significant deviation use and

development allowances between that

district and this

Mr. Knight.

Yeah.

Would you slow down?

Sure.

Thank you.

Sorry.

I'm going to give you a repeat. Um let's

see. We'll go back a little bit. um

would not be appropriate for the subject

property giving the significant distance

of the downtown district zoning.

Yes, sorry. Uh and any other DCzoned

property and given the significant

deviation use and development allowances

between that district and surrounding

neighborhoods. Uh the second uh reason

being the commercial neighborhood

designation is most appropriate for the

surrounding community given that the

purpose of the district is to encourage

and preserve corridors with a mix of

medium and high density residential and

neighborhood retail activities and to

encourage pedestrian oriented uses and

that there are existing cannon

properties along North Third Street just

to the west. Uh the commercial

neighborhood designation supported by

the planning bureau will provide the

applicant with most of the same

flexibility to redevelop the site as

expressed in documentation submitted for

the proposal allowing uses such as

multif family dwellings, retail stores,

grocery stores, restaurants and offices

while retaining minimal regulatory

oversight of aspects such as residential

density. And finally, uh, the fourth

reason being the reasonzoning of the

property is necessary to effectuate

redevelopment of the property in a

manner that is both most likely and most

beneficial to the surrounding

neighborhood.

Would the

uh, yes.

Okay. Would the applicant like to

I'm sorry. Go ahead, Councilwoman

Daniel. Sorry,

I'm struggling to hear because my

internet connection is unstable. So, if

you are

to the applicant,

yes, I'm going to allow the applicant

now to explain the project and um flesh

out anything else he would like to add

from what uh zoning officer Knight

stated already.

Okay. So, has he already taken?

Yes, ma'am.

Thank you. Um if the applicant could go

ahead and describe the project um as as

best as you can um and then what this

I'll ask questions of you and open it up

to council.

Okay. Uh my name is Greg Paulus. I'm

with Penmark. Um and I think everyone's

gotten a a package or should have gotten

a package describing the project. Uh but

Uh I believe we have it up on the screen

and I don't know if it makes sense to

walk through it quickly uh for you folks

to to hear about. Okay. So on the front

the front slide there is an aerial view

of our our site. It's a massive site. Uh

it's close to 300,000 square feet. It's

the old poly clinic hospital and the

building on the right which is building

one is um was the hospital itself.

Building two was administrative and

building three was a combination of um

hospital as well as the nurses uh

facility where the nurses would stay

back in the guess the 60s. Um so we

purchased the the site about a year ago

and we felt uh really strongly about the

need uh for a nice mixeduse project

here. We felt market rate housing was

needed in Harrisburg. That there's there

certainly are apartments in Harrisburg,

but we felt there was an opportunity to

bring a kind of a higher level of fit

and finish and also to bring some

retail, some mixed use in to serve

uptown Harrisburg because we feel that

that's something that's needed. Um uh

when we bought the property, it's just a

note, we uh retained the person that had

taken care of the property for 18 years.

And so Scott has gotten to know the

neighbors, the neighborhood, and we felt

that was really important, uh to one, we

you know, we we try to be good neighbors

uh as best we can. Um and um so one it

was important to retain that but also

just get uh someone who's familiar with

the buildings and knows the buildings

really well. Um so next slide or excuse

me on this slide. So building one,

building two and building three. So next

slide.

Uh right now the status of these is you

know pretty much vacant. Building

building one is partially occupied.

Those leases are up in about a year. Um

and uh it's about 15 20% occupied.

Building two is occupied now by some h

uh some office uh we call them executive

office suites. These are small office

suites that provide the ability for

folks local folks to have office space

you know for their businesses. So we

have a wide range of different folks in

that. We're about to renovate the fourth

floor. That's the last bit of renovation

there. But to give you an idea, those

offices are anywhere from

120 square feet to, you know, 400 square

feet or 500. So these are small offices

that give folks an opportunity to have

office space in a in a setting. And then

building three is completely unoccupied

and they're in a state, the whole site

is in a state of, you know, it's it's

degragating. It's disrepair. So um it's

a shame to see this old building, this

old campus um deteriorate like that. But

uh we we're really excited about the

opportunity to you know rejuvenate it

and and bring some life back to it. So

next slide please. Oh I'm sorry.

Parking. We have a significant amount of

parking uh contained within this

property which is a real benefit. Um we

have about 620 spaces. All told we own

the lot that's caddy corner to building

one. And uh we do have some of those

spots set aside for UPMC.

So alto together we have 452 spaces

dedicated to our our campus which is

important. Uh so next slide.

So our vision is to this is the opposite

view. So I know it can be a little

confusing but the vision was to create a

u a carter uh of retail and again this

is really kind of I want to say it's um

it's not big big retail but these are

boutiquey kind of retail uh like a

restaurant. Uh we might do a grocery

store at the corner uh we might do a

little music venue something like that a

gym. So, it's really retail that would

serve not so much the actual facility,

but really the neighborhood. Um, we want

to put things in there that are that are

going to work, you know, and and um, you

know, we we'd like them to succeed. So,

we need to be mindful of what the

neighborhood needs. Um, but the primary

thing that we have is apartments. Uh, so

building three would be 96 apartments,

around 100 apartments. We're still

playing with the size. Uh Jeffrey had

some good input uh through the planning

commission process on the size of the

units and we've relooked at that and

we've added some square footage to the

average square foot went up per unit. Uh

and you know we're we're um we want to

make sure that the right size and

building one which is the you know the

real big nut to crack is about 1334

apartments. We're capped out at 230

based on the CN zoning. Uh so that's our

vision and um convert an aging

deteriorated complex into what we call

like a town center. Um again not it's

it's a kind of a low-key town center but

that's the concept. So we have

apartments and and mixed use. Uh next

slide please.

Um so that's you know a little bit more

detail of our our vision at the moment.

It's, you know, we're going through

conceptual design um in order to get our

work towards our entitlements. We had to

come up with a concept and we're next

week u the hope is things are positive

with city council and then we want to

spring forward with full design. U so

that's our plan. Next slide please.

This gives you a sense of the mass of

this site. So the total is 286,000

square feet. Uh very very big because it

was a hospital. There are a lot of space

inside this building that was back of

house or back of you know to serve the

hospital. Um so it's not exactly ideal.

Um we're not sure we can make full use

of that or how we're going to make full

use of that. But uh it's challenging.

It's not like a an easy easy thing. You

know all these projects are are

challenging. But uh you know we got it

at the right acquisition price that

allows us to move forward and do

something um a little more upscale than

what Harrisburg might be used to um as

far as fit and finish. Like we've done a

pretty extensive analysis um of the

inventory in Harrisburg, the market rate

inventory, and it's a lot of it's aged.

So, we think this is an opportunity to

bring in sort of fresh um nicer

appointed apartments that are comparably

priced to what's in the marketplace

right now. We think that's really

important. So, to give folks uh an

option, you know, on a different kind of

place to live. Um so, building that's

the total site. Building one is very

large, 180,000 square feet. Uh it is, by

the way, on the historic registry.

So, our plan is to to go historic tax

credits. We have a consultant that we've

brought in that I've worked with

extensively in Philadelphia. Does a lot

of historic projects there and what that

means to the property. Next slide,

please.

This is a little more information on the

kind of space that we plan to to uh put

in. This is really building one. So, you

can see it's mostly apartments. The the

picture that you see there is the level

of uh finish that we envision for the

apartments. So, they'll be nicely

appointed. Um, maybe a grosser. We

currently operate two grocery facilities

ourselves. It's not the funnest thing to

do. Uh, we we'd love to get a grosser in

there. Uh, but if we had to, we could

operate it ourselves. But we think that

about a 14,000 square foot grosser alto

together is what you consider a midsize.

This might be a little smaller than

that, maybe 10,000 square feet. um a

restaurant, a nice restaurant. Um we say

a jazz club, it's not really a club,

it's more just music. Um we got some

good feedback in the neighbor meetings

that we had where there was some concern

about noise. So we actually changed the

design to pull it back in from the

street uh where there might be music

playing um which we thought actually

made a lot of sense. But uh some kind of

a nice music venue and uh the resident's

gym It's not a public gym at the moment,

but again, we we operate a couple of

gyms across the country now and u you

know that might be something we

consider. Next slide, please. So, that's

building one. Building two is these

executive office suites. So, if you've

not been in the building, it's it's

they're really nice. You know, again,

they're modestly sized, but the rent's

really good. So it gives folks an

opportunity to have office space uh that

they otherwise might not have in a you

know the idea is in a building in an

office building and in amongst other uh

entrepreneurs and building three is

primarily apartments and and possibly a

coffee shop um on the first floor. So

that's why we went for the CN zoning.

Next slide.

Uh historic uh uh on the historic

registry. So our plan is to go for

historic tax credits which means we

cannot go up. We we can't really modify

this facade uh much. Whatever we do

modify we have to go through the

historic commission and um you know the

federal historic commission. So it's

going to basically look pretty much the

way it is but get freshened up and the

brick will have to be repointed things

like that. Um but the roof line all of

that will stay the same. Next slide,

please.

We're going to be doing the project in

phases. So, this is a massive

undertaking to do all at one time. Uh,

you can't finance it all at one time.

That's why we went for the subdivision

the way we did. Um, so our plan is to do

uh phase one would be building three.

And the reason we're doing building

three first is it's the right size to

get stabilized with the marketplace as

you go into uh the second phase which

would be building one. So it'll be about

again round numbers 100 it's really

right now it's 96 apartments and and a

coffee shop. Um so we'll get that to

about 75% occupied and then we would

kick off uh phase two which would be

building more and that's really for

financing purposes what would be

required. Um next next slide please.

This gives you an idea of the fit and

finishes of the apartments and the rough

layout. So, they're nicely. We think

they're the right size to the comments

that Jeffrey had in his his uh review is

uh he said, "Hey, just take a look at

it." We did and uh we've adjusted

accordingly uh because he was right. Uh

we had them a little bit on the small

side. So, we've we've eaked out about

another I guess seven or eight percent

uh in the in the count, but um the idea

is to have, you know, when someone walks

into this bathroom, for example, it's,

you know, they just say, "Wow, this is

really nice." Um same thing with the

kitchen. Uh we do, we have about 45

properties around the country, so we

have a pretty good buying power, so

we're able to get um doors, um things

like that. We we buy a lot so we're able

to get good pricing on it. Um we can up

the finish level a little bit that way.

Uh next slide please.

So this is a view on the top of what you

see um you know back behind the hospital

and it actually it's not as nice as that

picture shows but it's definitely

degrading. And the vision would be in

this case that's the restaurant. That

actually might be the grocery store, but

this is all below grade. Um, so these

spaces that you see here are like five

or six feet below the grade. So we would

have access by steps down and ramps as

appropriate. We also, if you come around

the corner, you can get in. There's a

side entrance to where the old emergency

drop off was. So we have a lot of

opportunity for um you know good

entrance and and eress points for for

um the public. Um and our parking lot is

right across the street. But anyway,

this is an idea of what we would

envision to really make that street, you

know, um a little bit more alive and and

we want to increase pedestrian traffic

along that the hope would would would

help with safety. We we believe. Um so

next slide.

And then this is the front on the top.

It looks like an old hospital. Uh it

looks like a vacant old hospital. So our

plan is to again not change it

drastically, really do some um

landscaping up front and in the

courtyard around building three to you

know bring it up, bring a place for

folks to sit outside and u and enjoy,

you know, the the scenery that is in,

you know, in this area. I mean, it's a

beautiful area of the town. Um, so next

slide, please.

Um, so that's kind of a recap of the the

redevelopment plan. And then there's a

couple slides I wanted to add if I could

to the next slide.

Um, communi communication and outreach.

So we really are trying to tackle this

in two phases. One was an initial

outreach where we uh as we developed our

plan for entitlements um to get you know

what what we were seeking in terms of

zoning and subdivision. We had to come

up with our plan and we feel it's pretty

well baked. Um we wanted to communicate

that plan to the to the neighborhood.

So, we had a door-todoor

um effort that we started out with where

we went door to door in like a oneb

block radius where we went and knocked

on doors and introduced ourselves. And

again, most of the folks know us here,

but they don't necessarily know Penmark.

They know Scott. Um but we introduced

ourselves and and described the plan for

them and let them know there would be

public meetings. Uh we then had a small,

you know, a dry run meeting really to

sort of practice our presentation as it

were. Uh that's really for me because I

get nervous. And uh we had our first

public meeting. We handed out 150

flyers. We were focused on about a twob

block radius. Was not the greatest uh

showing of of folks. And part of the

reason that was given was um you know

maybe the directions could have been

better. Um so in the second meeting we

handed about 200 flyers out. We went

three blocks and we got a better showing

for that meeting. Um we were also

featured in an article in the Berg. So

at that I think it was the second

meeting uh the Berg was there a reporter

and they they interviewed us and as we

approach our what we hope is um getting

our entitlements behind us uh we would

then continue our outreach as we

continue on with design. So uh as we

we're really planning to kick off design

next week in earnest. So, we've done

um what I would call conceptual design.

We've test fitted. We've looked at

different finishes, made sure things

work. Uh but the full design would be

working towards permit drawings. And uh

that's where we really get into the meat

of the design. So, I'm sorry.

Sorry about that.

I apologize.

That's my daughter stewing. Uh

I got distracted there. Sorry. Uh so we

would have a second round of of um

outreach. The hope would be we really

want to get better um outcome, you know,

so whatever we can do to make that

happen. Um and then the next slide. So

that's an example on the upper right is

that's like the flyer that we put

together the second time with direct

directions.

Okay. Um next slide, please.

What's that?

Oh, I'm sorry. U minority participation.

Uh so,

you know, I know this is uh of interest

to everyone, it'll it, you know, any

project that we do, especially when

we're coming into a city that we haven't

been in before. Um, my experience

has done a lot of projects for like the

Philadelphia Housing Authority and

projects involving subsidies where your

funding is, you know, you you need to

have a goal. You need to make best

efforts and working with a company for

12 years, uh, especially with the

Philadelphia Housing Authority, it sort

of gets ingrained in you as to how to

approach this in a way that's not

passive. So, um, in other words, you

can't sit back and say, well, we went

out to bid and, you know, we did our

part because it's not going to cut it

with the Philadelphia Housing Authority

if you do that. You have to show a good

effort. And the way we found to do that

was kind of what we've outlined here.

So, just to note, this is a large

project. It's, you know, 30 plus million

dollars. It could be 40 million when

we're done. And that equates to, you

know, just phase one, which is building

three, is, you know, 60 on average 60

construction jobs. Um, not to mention

supply

uh jobs. And um if we can have a small

impact on participation in that realm,

we could, you know, we could make a

difference. So what we do is we one is e

either we're the construction manager

ourselves in which this is the program

that we would uh we would use uh or we

will hire a CM. Now, we've already

interviewed about six construction

managers,

and part of the criteria for the

selection of a construction manage

manager is their MBEWBE program. And if

they don't have a program, we really

can't have further discussion. Um, and

that's happened. We had someone come to

the public meeting who was interested

and I asked them that question and they

said, "We don't have a program." And I

said, "Okay, thank you very much." But,

you know, we want to come and we want to

do a lot of projects in the city of

Harrisburg. You know, it's it's a place

that we're going to make, uh, you know,

a large project happen. Uh, we're going

to be we're going to want to be here.

So, we know that that's important and

it's also just the right thing to do.

So, what we do is we we start out with

finding qualified subcontractors,

whether they're registered or not. So,

if you look at the city's list of regist

of registered uh minority contractors

and you sort it by construction, it's

really small. And the problem is not

that there aren't minority contractors.

The problem is that they're not

necessarily registered. So, we have to

do what we have to do to help them

register. So, it's it's not just

following the line of paper, it's what

do we need to do to make this happen

kind of attitude. And so what'll happen

is we'll solicit uh we'll create bid

packages. We'll sol solicit them and

we'll hold on-site meetings. And what we

want to do is to attract qualified

subcontractors. So we're going to go

look we're going to make it known that

we're we're interested. But it really

boils down to is how you make it happen

is you have to get creative. There are

not enough qualified sub uh minority

subcontractors

on a scale of this size to expect that

some you're going to get an electrician

who's going to come in and be able to do

the work. You can't expect that that's

going to happen. So, you have to get

creative. What you do is you break that

package down and it may be by floor.

Case of electric electrical probably

not, but it may be low voltage and and

line voltage. You may break that apart.

You may break lighting apart. You may

break uh communication apart, security,

you know, there's a lot of inside of

electrical there are about 15 to 20

packages. Um so we we look at breaking

it apart into pieces whether it's by

within a division uh different scopes or

by floor. So um sometimes it might be

for drywall. You may have a contractor

doing two floors and another contractor

doing two floors to break it up to make

it or someone that can handle all of it.

But if you can't then we don't we don't

give up. Um we'll hold job fairs. will

try to help uh train if if a minority

contractor can't meet the uh accounting

requirements or whatever it may be. We

actually it doesn't matter if they're

minority or not minority. We do that

anyway, but it's we we tried to um help

where we can. Um so one they have to be

qualified.

Uh two is what can we do to help that

and through either through scoping or or

otherwise. Uh there's also uh in that

list that we have, we actually have

three different databases we work with

um at the home office and uh it's not

just Harrisburg's there's uh a list

that's put out by uh the uh folks that

do you know the public funding. Um

there's lots of resources we have access

to. So that's if we're doing the

construction management and I brought uh

one of the candidates that we have for

construction manager is ECI

um to answer any questions that if we do

go with a CM, you know, I think his his

focus will will uh parallel ours pretty

well. So anyway, I just wanted to add

those two slides and uh that's the end

of my overview of the project.

Councilwoman Daniels, are you able to

hear us?

Yeah.

And I just want to be clear that entire

section is just one book, right? Just

one month.

Uh that's correct. Yes.

I just wanted to clarify that. So I'll

just open it up to my council members.

Um to my to my left, Councilwoman Davis.

Thank you, Councilwoman Daniels. Good

evening, everyone. Thank you for your

thorough presentation. Um

it looks good. It looks I mean this area

is pretty much vacant right now. So, um

I would like to see it developed. I do

have a couple questions. Um in terms of

the con contractors that you're

considering, we do have a con

construction company in the city. I

don't know if you had an opportunity to

talk to one of um

TLC

Have you spoken with uh tric?

I haven't, but will be.

Okay, great. Because I think that he may

be able to offer qualified uh

subcontractors

that are certified.

That's that's what I that's what I'm

hearing.

Thinking looking forward to that.

And the parking lot is that parking lot

on Fourth Street.

The garage,

right? You mean the garage or the

Yes. Is that part of it? Okay.

Yes. It's It's not part of the

subdivision, but we own that lot.

Okay.

And we have to own it because we have an

agreement with UPMC. So,

Okay.

But that includes um the 452 spaces. So,

that's

that's part of that. Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Um and then you mentioned high-end

apartments. When you say high-end

uh pricewise for example

one bed for example 1450

for onebedroom apartment

in that range it's about what the

high

it's about what uh is that's about what

um I guess it's the glass factory

okay

is uh is getting

and then studios would be available at

11 Okay.

50 or 1199, something like that.

And then you probably have two bedrooms

in

Yeah. And and the two beds would be

in the 1700 range. So you a family could

live here for 17750

range.

Okay.

Um

those are my only questions for now.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Thank you, President Hill.

Thank you, Vice President B.

Thank you very much. Uh, thank you for

being here tonight and thank you for

your presentation. I was able to meet

with you uh prior to this and kind of go

over this project. Um, I think it will

be an asset to our city. Uh, you know,

the building's been sitting there for a

while. Um, I think we need to make sure

it goes to good use. I like the fact

that you've engaged with the community.

Um, and that you're willing to continue

to engage with the community and bring

jobs uh to local residents, not just

people in the area. um that sometimes

stretches way beyond Harrisburg itself.

Um thank you for noting the prices

publicly. I know we had discussed it

privately when I asked you about it and

that's that's the same range that you

gave me. So I don't have any questions

at this moment, but thank you for being

here tonight.

Thank you.

Thank you. Um, I just had some follow-up

questions regarding your um, outreach

that you uh, participated in with the

surrounding uh, neighbors. You mentioned

um, during the presentation when you

shared um, the the potential grocery

store and restaurant

um, music space, I guess you said, not a

jazz club. Um, so I was curious to know

um what you heard from residents. Uh,

what what are what would they like to

see there? Was did you hear more of a

grocery store interest or restaurant

interest?

I think both. I think there uh so on the

grocery store for example,

we were told that there's been a few and

we said, well, you know, what was the

cause of them not being there anymore?

Mhm.

And the the predominant theme was the

prices were too high,

the food was not fresh, and it was not

it was not uh complimentary to the

cultures in the neighborhood. Um and so,

you know, we take that information and

the feeling was, you know, we we would

love to have a grocery store, but what

about parking? You know, so there was a

com some of the common concerns were uh

traffic

and of course it was a hospital once so

you know I don't think there could be

much more traffic that those were

concerns and there was concern about

parking

um

on top of wanting loving to see a

grocery store. You know there were

concerns and we explained about how much

parking we have and it seemed to

somewhat sees that. But if I'm a

neighbor there, I'm going to worry about

the same thing. I'm going to have the

exact same worries that they they have.

Um, we we try to reassure them because

in in our analyses, uh, parking should

not be an issue. Traffic we can't really

speak to because, you know, that's

really more of a city thing. I think it

was about people taking spots in front

of the

sure

the grocery store. But, um, so they seem

to like the idea of a grocery store,

like they like the idea of a of a

restaurant. uh they like the idea of a

coffee shop. Um

yeah, I think it was pretty positively

received.

That's good. I was just curious um

if those conversations informed

um

your plans further. I guess

it did.

Good. My next questions are around

affordability

of um these high-end apartments as you

say. Um, is your reference Dolphin

County's median family income or have

you considered city proper?

So, just to be to clarify, um, they're

nicely appointed. Um, they're not luxury

apartments. These are, uh, priced like,

um, the glass factory. So, these are

kind of mid-level, but they're nice.

They're nicer finished for a mid-level.

department. We understand there's about

500 or so, maybe 600 affordable units

coming online in the city. Um, that's

not what this is. This is a market rate

because we believe the city needs market

rate as well. Um, so I've been involved

in a lot of affordable projects in my

career. Um, we that is not the intent

here. So, it's midlevel. Um, nicer

appointed, but you know, if if it's it's

a $1,400

1350 a month uh one bed, so for young

professionals, things like that,

families can get in at around 1,800. So,

we really didn't go into the the

statistics of affordability that way.

Okay. because you had already determined

the level of

well what what in order for the project

to work with with private financing

there's a certain minimum you have to

get or it won't work like you just won't

you won't be able to do it

okay thank you

that's the straight answer you know

no thank you for your response I don't

have any other questions thank

She's absent today. Excused.

Sorry.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh, thank you

all for joining us this evening. Really

appreciate the presentation. Um, I had

similar questions to President Hill.

Just wanted to know what AMI were you

using to stipulate? Was it Dolphin

County, Harrisburg or PA statewide to

kind of figure out that configuration.

Would you be able to elaborate a little

bit more? I know with the private

funding, you have to get a certain a

lotment to make it work as far as the

project's concerned.

It was really Yeah, it was really

because it's not an affordable project.

We're not using AMI.

Gotcha. Okay. We're we're basically what

we did was we went and we took public

data that's available in the marketplace

of what a comps basically

and what we found was that the market

rate apartments in Harrisburg are dated

most of them and the

you know the the finishes are they're

just dated and so

um

we felt like there was a need for um a a

more nicely finished apartment. We are

not at the bottom of market rate

uh rates,

right?

We're at about where Glass Factory is.

We're kind of in line with a couple of

the I would say the nicer market rate.

Understood. And then um with the say the

music area or restaurant not jazz club

is there early discussions or any

submissions to the LCB for the proper

licensing.

Yeah. Um

the liquor control board. That's

I mean no not at all. Too early. Okay.

It's too early. Yeah.

Uh just think it forward. Um and parking

you have ample actually you know a lot

that that could support these kind of um

establishments. But is there any uh

maybe preconceived notions of like

upping security on those music nights

just in the parking lot area or

supplemental lighting anything like

that?

Yeah. So

the idea of a jazz club was thrown out

there.

Right. Right. Right.

We are not looking for a music club.

Gotcha. Gotcha. Well, even for the

establishments on the ones that are open

a bit later, will there be any kind of

additions to the

So, we do intend to have security. Yeah.

uh we'll work with the city's uh safety

and security committee.

Okay.

Uh to, you know, talk about what steps

we can take that make sense. Um, again,

we're new here, so we would lean on on

the the folks that are here to

especially safety and security.

And I I appreciate your proactiveness

and assistant MBWB participation even to

the point where you're breaking down

like the scopes of work to smaller

packaging to kind of assist. I really

appreciate that and being intentional

with that. Um, I guess my only question

would be for the potential CM, ECI, if

you would like to step up to the mic. Uh

just one question. If they decide to go

with the uh construction manager,

are you sworn in or you didn't take?

Okay. Yeah. Do you swear or affirm that

the testimony you are about to give is

true and correct to the best of your

knowledge? Yes.

Could you repeat that question?

Oh, I haven't asked it yet. Just just

for the record, if you'd like to state

your name and uh the company you

represent.

Josh Murray, ECI Construction.

Thank you, Josh. Um, so what would be uh

ECI or your personal experience with

like urban development and or have you

worked in Harrisburg at as of yet?

Yes. Uh, currently we're working at Lake

Towers.

Okay.

We we finished that up, did Jackson

Towers,

um, John Harris High School, couple of

elementary schools,

coolers,

government projects, but we're mostly

known for that public side. So that

public side obviously we're we're

wellversed in

WB.

We worked with TLC on the Jackson Tower

project.

Awesome.

So, yeah.

So, if that if they did choose to go

with a construction manager and went

with you guys, you totally confident in

the ability to not only get the project

up and going, but also to finish through

totality.

Yes.

Okay. Awesome. Awesome. Great. Um, I

have no further questions. Thank you all

for being here. Um, thank you, Madam

Chair.

Jones.

Thank you, Councilwoman Daniels. Um,

yeah, great project. Um, I love it. I

love it coming to um the Harrisburg area

and um I agree with you about the market

rate. Um I think it brings um another

element into the community. Um a lot of

the times what we see a lot of these

lowinccome housings, it's uh in my

opinion, I'm seeing poverty move from

one area to the next. And I don't think

that's something that we should be doing

in the city. I think there the blending

of that uh of what you are are proposing

here is something that is needed in the

city and it'll help out in that area as

well. I think this is a great connector

to go from third, fourth, second all the

way back down here. We do have a

walkable city. So I think this is a

great idea. Now, one of the things that

I personally would love to uh work with

you if you are the uh CM um but uh Mr.

Hawquist, uh one of the things that

Councilwoman I mean Councilman uh

Rodriguez just touched upon is how you

broke down the projects into floors. I

think that's a a great idea. Um because

when we're looking at MBE, we uh uh be

all of those different things, not

everybody's in that certification. And

when we use the word local, um similar

to council president uh Green, um we go

too far out of where we are in the city

of Harrisburg. And so I'm looking to

help people uh that are qualified,

certified in some areas, rather

plumbing, roofing, electrician, drywall,

um to spread this around a little bit.

You know, um we see again there's not

too many people that are that qualify

for this. And I love your willingness to

willing to to assist for the paperwork

they may need um and some of the things

that uh they may be um lacking or

deficits within their companies. But um

I'm really looking to get on the ground

and and get some of these individuals

that usually don't have an opportunity

to get on a project of this size and um

I think it will help in the community.

Uh again, um a lot of the MBE and um uh

DBE, all of that is not really

what it's cracked up to be, if I can say

that. Um we had looked at our spend, I

think it was last year with uh

minorities in in the city of Harrisburg.

I think it was about a $35 million spend

and 7% of that was like MBE, WBE. And if

you look inside of that to actual people

inside of the city, residents, I don't

even think it was 1%. So, uh, I would

like to see some some more of that type

of involvement. So, you know, at any

point, man, just let me know and I'm

willing to um because I know a lot of

electricians and plumbers that, you

know, that you can give an opportunity

to. I'm not just saying give them the

job, but give them an opportunity to

look at it and and and compete. uh

because you know we have one major

person here that's doing a lot of the

stuff but again I like to see some of

this stuff spread around. So in that

regard um the project is great and I

hope you do um decide to do a jazz club

or uh a restaurant with jazz music. It'd

be great for people to come in and

something different. Um and this is a

great part I think could be another part

of a catalyst of our city being

revitalized. This is a great repurposing

of of of a building of a property right

here in the city. I would like to see

more and I heard you say you're looking

to do more things in the city of

Harrisburg. So, look around in the

Allison Hill area. You know, that hasn't

been touched in about 40 years. So, um

yeah, I think this is a great project,

man. And I wish you well.

Councilwoman Daniels.

Um, thank you. Um, does anyone anyone

have any other questions?

Um, is there anything else I need to do

before closing this?

Um, lastly, let's just open it up to any

public comments if there is any. Um, I

know you can't see the room, so maybe we

can defer to President Hill to uh just

survey the room to see if there are any

uh citizens or public that would like to

comment on this project.

Yes, please. Thank you.

Thank you. Um, at this time, we're going

to open the floor for public comment.

We'd ask that if you'd like to offer

comment. If you could please state your

name and your address for the meeting

record. If you don't feel comfortable

sharing your address, please share the

vicinity in which you live within the

city. You will have four minutes to

share your comments. Mr. Parker will

serve as our timekeeper. And I'll begin

to my right. Would you like to offer

public comment? Please come to this

microphone.

Good evening, uh, uh, President,

Councilwoman, and, uh, council. Uh,

first time speaking in a public meeting,

so I'm going to try to speak fast, uh,

but clear. I am a 25-y year resident as

of August uh, of this summer uh, at that

uh, address of 2645 North Four Street.

I'll give my address. I'm not shy about

that. Uh I have raised a um uh family at

that site and uh I have uh not

opposition to this project but I have

concerns. Uh I was at the first meeting

uh which was uh I believe April 17th uh

that came by leaflet. Uh I'm not aware

of any uh oneb block radius of knocking

on doors. I must not have been home that

time. uh and as well as the third

leafing uh which I believe was for this

are you speaking sir of this particular

meeting you leafleted?

No.

Okay. Uh did not receive a leaflet and

so I'm I'm thinking that I have a little

slight question of integrity on that

notification to the public because if I

am and let me get more clear about where

I am. I am between building one and two

on four street. So, directly across

where your proposed jazz club uh coffee

shop will be happening. So, if I didn't

receive leaflet number two, uh I'm

actually concerned that you even made

enough notice to the public and the um

lack of attendance that this meeting is

also proving that uh the uh persons that

were at the second meeting were uh

residents there were very concerned. So,

I'm surprised that none of them are

here. So, again, that attests to the

lack of notification

um to us. Uh but my concerns I'll get

more specific uh with regard to um um my

first concern is the increase to the uh

sewage uh situation. Um as we know, you

know, public works, you know, they work

very hard to keep things clean, keep the

sewage flowing, keep keep the water

clean. And with that impact to that

residential area with such a large

capacity, uh I'm concerned about the

sewage uh upkeep. Um, and you know, we

have days where we, you know, hit or

miss on the street cleaning. Um, that's,

you know, not your specific problem, but

there's definitely going to be an

increase to trash, litter, uh,

pollution, um, to those that are living

there already. Um, I was noticing in

your slides, uh, slide number one, I

could see my front door. Uh, but in

your, uh, subsequent slides where you

had the beautiful, uh, scenery going on

and the lights and the restaurants and

so forth. From the opposite side, which

was going to be Fourth Street, I saw

nothing as far as residential homes. I

would like to see you actually drawing

that into your pictorial. So, I know

that we are going to still be existing

there. uh because it just looked like a

very shiny sidewalk and some and some

light street lights and and and streets,

but I saw no front uh uh uh facades of

homes that were are still going to be

existing. So, I want to know that we are

still going to be a part of your plan in

that residential area. Um, again, as far

as you use that phrase a lot about

residential density, so I'm assuming

that means the increase of residents

that are going to be, you know, com

compromising that area. I hear crickets

at night. So, I'm actually comfortable

with the current density of population.

So, with that increase, I'm really

concerned about also noise pollution and

that there's going to be a lot of foot

traffic, as you said, which means

there's going to be persons up all

night. jazz clubs would uh indicate

that. So, I kind of like it like it is

quiet. I'm again not opposed to a nice

project because I like my property also

to be upgraded and the property value

increasing. By the way, I'm current on

my taxes. So, um but I also want to

point out that, you know, there are

enough places where persons can drink,

hang out, club it, and that's not one of

them. There are children there. Um,

there are, you know, people that go to

bed at night, get up early, and so, you

know, when I think jazz club, I think,

you know, people being intoxicated and

walking up and down my block. So, not

something I'm looking forward to.

Excuse me, ma'am. Thank you for your

comment, but your time is expired.

Okay.

And ma'am, would you repeat?

Yes. Can you please state my name?

Last name is spelled R E S.

Good evening. Would you like to offer

public comment?

Thank you.

Good evening. My name is Pastor Harris.

My residence is 103 South 21st Street in

Harrisburg. Want to speak to the

economic effect

data which came from the study relating

to contracts which are issued by the

city of Harrisburg. 45% of the contracts

go to entities which are housed outside

of Dolphin County in a city in which

less than 50% of the land taxable. I

would ask you to consider

making it a priority to give

geographical preference to entities

which are housed in the city so you can

tax them

but also for

residents of the city of Harrisburg

because minority participation where the

money goes out to Philadelphia or

Lancaster or York doesn't cut

The school district is not getting

enough taxes.

City is not getting enough taxes. So you

got a 30 $40 million project. We need to

get as much money going to residents

residents

tracking who's working there and

entities which are house headquarters in

Harrisburg again so they can be taxed so

we can get more revenue. I'm asking you

to give preference for that because

legally you can do that if it that's

something which you can do. You don't

need to do a study for that. It's not

racial preference is geographical

preference based upon an economic need

for the city.

Thank you. Is there anyone else in the

middle section that would like to offer

public comment? Seeing and hearing no

one, anyone to my left? Seeing and

hearing no one, I would like to invite

Miss Reyes back to the microphone. Were

you finished with your comments? Okay.

Since you're directly impacted and this

is a public hearing, I would like those

um comments on the record.

I was going to ask for that since

there's so little attendance by the

public. Um just you know my third

concern which I think is pretty major is

that uh sir you also spoke about um that

there you know is going to be parking

provided but you also could not

guarantee with these new storefronts

that that's not going to impact the uh

primary street of four street and and

surrounding. So, uh, while again you're

providing parking for persons that are

going to be living within your complex,

uh, in, you know, retail also invites,

uh, and you, and you encouraged and said

that you would be inviting public

public, uh, uh, uh, customers that's

going to be inviting more parking. So I

want to give you a picture of what I

currently deal with on a daily basis

which is that I have uh the span of

about uh 25 feet that I can park freely

without a charge. Uh otherwise I am

relegated to buying a sticker annually

to park in front of my home and that's

basically it. So, uh, what you're

impacting is way more significant than

what you think per home. I would assume

that, you know, there's a two vehicle.

That's that's, you know, an average. So,

right now, I, you know, on a I'm a

actual a school employee. So, I'm I'm

during the summer, I'm having a break

every day. I have to be deciding where

am I parking, how long, uh, you know,

who's ticketing today, do I have my

sticker visual? Um, my only other option

is to go to Zumbbo, which I don't, if

you've done your investigations of the

area. There's a ZBO mosque. They have an

ample parking there. There's also a

Scottish Ray Cathedral. So, both of them

courteously allow us residents to park

there without violation. They don't tow

us. and the city, you know, currently

doesn't jurisdict that area, but with

your bringing in again more retail

residents, that 25 ft space that I'm

talking about that I can currently park

at without losing sleep at night is all

I have. So, and we share that. So, uh,

as as neighbors, we kind of rotate. So,

you know, somebody gets it, somebody

else gets it another day, and sometimes,

you know, somebody pulls out and

somebody's right behind you to pull back

into it. So, that's what we fight with

all week long. We are working people.

So, we're up early, come back home, you

want to park, you're tired, you want to

drop your bags, be done. That's not

something you want to have to be

thinking about where am I parking today?

So, more impactful than you're probably

considering. So, that's pretty much my

final concerns, but they all they're all

major to me. Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Thank you. Is there anyone else that

would like to offer public comment? I

don't want to miss anyone.

Seeing and hearing no one, the time is

6:31 p.m. I'd like to entertain a motion

to adjourn the public hearing.

Is there a second?

Second.

Thank you.

Thank you very much for your

participation this evening.

At this time, it is 6:32 p.m. I would

like to call our work session to order.

Mr. Parker, could you please call the

role?

Miss Daniels.

Miss Davis,

present.

Ms. Green,

present.

Mr. Jones,

here.

Mr. Rodriguez,

present.

Ms. Hill,

present. Thank you. For committee

business this evening. Um, this

shouldn't be a lengthy work session.

I'll note that. Um, since we discussed

bill 5 of 2025 already and resolution 33

of 2025,

they're synonymous, so that would be

redundant for discussion. Am I correct?

Yes. Uh,

okay.

It would be up to you if you would like

the Am I on? Okay.

Yes.

Resolution is it's a part of this. It's

a subdivision that is a part. It would

be up to council if you had additional

questions in that regard.

Okay. Um, and if so, maybe it would just

be beneficial to leave them here and

start with them if there are some

questions. If not, yes, bill five has

been addressed at length. I don't know

if you want to just skip to the

resolution if there's any questions.

Yes, we can do that. Thank you. Um, so

we will begin with the community and

economic development committee business.

Um, as I mentioned, uh, we've discussed

bill 5 of 2025 in length. We will move

to resolution 33 of 2025.

Uh, Councilwoman Daniels, would you like

to lead discussion for this?

Yeah, sure. Okay.

Well, first

resolution 33 of 2025, a resolution

approving the preliminary/final

subdivision plan for 2601 North Thirdrd

Street to subdivide the existing

property into four separate parcels to

effectuate redevelopment of the entire

site into a mixeduse development along

with associated site and access

improvement.

So um if you don't mind explaining

the subdivision

separate thoughts.

Sure. Um so uh this aspect of the

property would be I guess considered

like a phase two uh with the zoning map

amendment being a phase one. Um and then

to um clarify the procedural aspects um

any decisions made on these two um would

only address these aspects. An eventual

redevelopment and reuse of the property

would still need to file a land

development plan. Um so um in response

uh to Miss Ray's uh questions and this

wouldn't be the final opportunity that

either city council or the public would

have to be to hear about this project,

learn about it, engage with the

developers um as it comes through the

process. Uh so with that being said, uh

this um resolution is in regards to the

subdivision of the current uh property

at 2601 North Third Street into uh three

separate or sorry four separate parcels.

Uh I believe those parcels uh will

encompass uh building one, building two,

building three, and the parking uh on

the western uh side of this lot. Uh so

it will create uh four different parcels

out of the current property and um the

applicant can provide a little bit more

information on um the uh purpose of this

particular aspect of the project. Uh but

as I understand it, it's necessary to

help with the financing of the project.

Uh breaking it into smaller parts. Um

you know, not only makes that easier to

finance, but also uh to phase the

construction of it. So we're not you're

not working at like one end of a large

parcel uh and you know having to get to

the other end to finish the project. Um

but overall it's a relatively

straightforward um uh subdivision. U one

of the major um considerations in

something like this is uh are you uh

creating any um aspects that need zoning

relief when you're subdividing? like if

you're subdividing right up against a

building, uh you're you create an

encroachment into a setback, for

example. Um in this case, uh the

subdivision will not create those

issues. So the parcels uh to be created

are all uh in conformance with the

zoning code uh with the applicable

zoning regulations. Um so with that

being said, uh the planning commission

recommends that the city council approve

the request for the following reasons.

The proposed subdivision will create

individual lots which are in conformance

with the applicable zoning regulations

regarding development standards. And the

proposal will help affectuate the

conversion of a sprawling, largely

vacant institutional campus into a

mixeduse town center development,

providing a significant number of new

housing units and commercial businesses

for future residents of the site and

existing residents of the neighborhood.

Just very quickly an explanation for the

for the subdivision.

Sure. Um

yeah, thank you. Um it's basically as

Jeffrey said, a project of this

magnitude

um is not financable as a a whole mass.

Um lending institutions, you know, will

not take that risk. So they they want it

to be subdivided so that you you're

doing building three is is one lot,

building one is one lot. And um that's

why we're doing it. It's purely for that

reason.

Thank you.

When we vote on this, we do have to make

sure that we vote in the right order.

Bill first and then the resolution,

right?

Does it matter?

I don't think it matters, but usually in

the agenda of things, the bills come

first. I mean I think in that the zoning

map amendment becomes important because

they need the zoning change to allow for

the things that they want to phase in.

So though it doesn't matter technically

I think we are doing them in the proper

order. You change the zoning of the

area, give them the subdivision and then

as was said as individual things are

finished, they will have to come back

before so that you can have additional

questions, additional public engagement,

etc.

Thank you. So that's it for me. I'll

open up my fellow my colleague

Counciloman Davis.

Thank you, Councilwoman Daniels. Um,

yeah, I was just thinking about

the possibility of maybe re-engaging

with the community again, getting some

flyers out, you know, inviting people

back in to, you know, go over your

plans. Um, so that we could get more

feedback. Um, otherwise, I don't have

any questions. Just that statement.

Thank you.

Vice President.

Thank you, Councilwoman Daniels. I don't

have any questions regarding this. Thank

you.

I don't have any questions regarding the

resolution. Thank you,

Council Rodriguez.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, just for my

own edification, what part of the phases

will include the parking um that fourth

part?

All of them.

All of them. So, simultaneously kind of.

Yeah. Um, now I know this may be

unprecedented, but everything we do in

council chambers, whether we're working

with the mayor or the business manager,

it's a negotiation. It's a give and

take, trying to do what's right for the

residents. Would it be out of the realm

to say if any part of this project

impedes on the resident in the immediate

area's ability to park? would you be

able to maybe allot some of the spaces

in that area so they're not so that we

can kind of accommodate their everyday

life because if the project doesn't pet

on let's say what Miss Reyes was saying

that 25 ft that they kind of battle for

on a daily basis. Is there anything we

can do as far as this project since it's

so massive to kind of just appreciate

and accommodate them a bit throughout

the four phases of the project is if

that's a possibility at all. I'm sure

they'll appreciate that. Um yeah. Uh so

we'll we'll definitely take a look at

that. We do need to have certain amount

of parking

meet the zoning requirements.

Absolutely.

I will say that uh if if there is a need

for parking now.

Y

um we've always offered up spaces for

anyone that needs a space. That's a need

now.

There really is.

if there's a need for a space. Now, we

have been giving neighbors uh the

ability to park our lots.

So, it was good just to have that set of

record tow your that parking lot that

sits behind uh your building is actually

posted as tow. So, I would I would not

personally park in that lot assuming

anything because

So, what we've done is we've given

passes to the parking garage. So, I talk

to you after the meeting and I'll be

fantastic into that.

That would be fantastic. This way

they're not inconvenienced at all in

their everyday life because they're

trying to just get to work, take care of

their families, and I understand this

beautiful projects coming about, but we

definitely don't want to inconvenience

any residents. So, if we can kind of

team up a bit and come up to that

resolution, that solution would be

amazing. Does that sound doable?

Well,

and I know you can't do it for everyone.

That's unreasonable. But just those

immediate affected residents, right?

That that's reasonable. We've tried to

be good neighbors.

I love that.

And uh speaking to Scott uh who's the

person that's taking care of these

properties, plow for people. We do all

kinds of things.

No, I appreciate that. But I just I'm

trying to forth think because we've seen

this happen a lot with the State Street

project, other projects where our senior

citizens are woken up 6 a.m. and

expected to dart to their vehicles. It's

just it's not realistic.

When I was uh homeowner in that area, uh

there was a big belt coming. and I had

the same concerns like I'm this is my

home like it's

the applicant

speak it to the mic.

I'm sorry.

This is my home you know this is and

it's an unknown and I don't trust

anybody and you know I get it like I

totally get it. So if there's anything

the extent of what can be done there, I

can't I don't want to commit because I

would, you know, I just don't want to

say what can or can't be done,

especially when this is all up and

running. But in an interim thing where

for a period of time if it's not, you

know, we there's no reason for us not

and that's all I'm asking for as a

council member that's representing these

residents in the city of Harrisburg, at

least a commitment throughout the

interim of the project. Absolutely. I

can't say anything for the finality or

what happens after the totality is all

concluded, but just for residents like

Miss Ry battle and get challenged for

parking to begin with. This may be a bit

more uphill challenge for them.

No problem.

Why can't we kind of make it convenient

for them?

Yeah,

that's all I ask. If you can commit to

that, that would be amazing

by way of maybe parking pass just so

they're not held accountable or

penalized in any way and it's

recognized. There's going to be a limit

to what that is, but absolutely just to

again

the give and take a bit. I appreciate

that.

The precedent is whether we did a lousy

job of communicating that,

right?

I was unaware of that. Honestly, one of

the meetings, uh, Scott mentioned that

we were doing that. I had no idea. I'm

new to Pen.

That's a part of living. We learn every

day and that that's what keeps us human.

We'll we'll make a commitment to look

into it hard and we'll talk to M.

Sometimes you dribble, shoot, hope for

the best. So hoping that we can just

come up with that at least to

convenience them along that would be

fantastic.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Nothing further, Madam Chair.

Madam Chair,

Councilman Jones.

Uh yeah, what he said.

Uh

no. Uh honestly, I I I think there is um

room to because none of this is in stone

completely. direct so there is

opportunity for you guys to continue to

dialogue and making sure uh you can um

accommodate them as much as possible.

Parking is just a problem around the

world right now. Everybody got 20 cars

and they're big as I don't know what the

state's painting lines that are too long

and taking away parking spots. So this

this is a huge problem. I think we're in

a contract with the wrong people, but

that's for another conversation. Um, so

yeah, just making sure that you you you

you can um continue to do that outreach

with the community and there is time I

think that you guys will be able to

compromise in a good way to get some

good results, but I you know um to Miss

Reyes's point, I I would love to see a

jazz club. I know it wouldn't be in

front of my house, but

I mean this is just something though. Um

you we have to look we we really have to

be able to negotiate in a in a um humane

way and I think we'll be able to do that

just because you know our city's in

trouble and we we need to really uplift

our city and something like this would

help but we don't want to hurt the

residents at the same time. So I think

just keep the dialogue open and um just

keep going back to the table. That's all

I have.

Um, so I guess we'll put

resolution on the next legislative

agenda for community members and

concerns. They can um contact council

members about them and I think that's

that's the end for community development

discuss today.

Thank you.

Um, so we will uh go back to the

beginning of our agenda, but I just

wanted to note we will be going over

resolution 47 of 2025 this evening. That

is the business of the building and

housing committee. Um, we will discuss

resolution 47 of 2025 during a special

legislative session um nearing the end

of the month um as we are required to.

We normally come back during our hiatus.

So more details to come. So we will be

going over that for this evening. So the

final committee business lies with the

administration committee. We have one

resolution for discussion. Resolution 46

of 2025. Mr. Parker, could you please

read it into the record?

Resolution 46 of 2025,

a resolution appointing Mr. Basier

Vincent to serve on the Harrisburg

Planning Commission.

Thank you. Mr. Vincent is present. if

you wouldn't mind joining us.

Good evening. If you wouldn't mind

taking a moment to please introduce

yourself.

Good evening. My name is Bosier Vincent,

resident 315 South Front Street. Um,

just recently I've had a history most of

my career I've spent in uh

manufacturing. Um, also community

service, started young professionals of

color, uh, recently actually ran for

city council. Um, so, uh, spent

significant amount of time researching

and learning about the city's

comprehensive plan. So, I'm excited, uh,

for this potential opportunity.

Thank you. What impact do you believe

that you will be able to make, uh,

should you be appointed to serve on the

Harrisburg Planning Commission? Uh just

really being processoriented, looking

through uh some of our documentations

and our processes and you know offering

to abide by a pretty uh you know strict

guidance but then really challenging

things through reading and processing

information.

Thank you. I don't have many questions

uh for you. I'll open the floor to my

colleagues who may have some additional

questions. Um I'll begin with

Councilwoman Daniels. Do you have any

questions for Mr. Vincent?

We'll come back. I don't know if she can

hear me. Councilwoman Davis, any

questions?

Thank you, President Hill. Good evening,

Mr. Vincent. Um, do you foresee any

conflicts of interest with being on the

planning board? No, I currently don't

have any um I don't have any um

development companies or anything that I

think would present uh uh any particular

interest that I couldn't dismiss myself

for if it was a particular project that

I was in invested in through my

nonprofit or through my business.

Okay, that's it for me. Thank you.

Thank you, Vice President Green. Any

questions?

Thank you, President Hill. Um I don't

really have any questions for you. uh

kind of got to know you a little better

throughout the campaign season, but um

got to know you and your passion for uh

the comprehensive plan pretty well as uh

the planning commission was going

through it and you were holding sessions

um with YPOC to kind of break it down a

little further. So, uh definitely

appreciate it. Um I appreciate your

willingness to continue to show up uh

because a lot of people run for office

and then disappear afterwards. So, I

appreciate you um standing up and and

continuing to be willing to serve the

city of Harrisburg. So, thank you and I

look forward to working with you.

Absolutely. Appreciate that.

Councilman Rodriguez, any questions?

Thank you, Madam President. Um, good to

see you as always, Mr. Vincent. Very

familiar with each other. Um, appreciate

the work you've been doing thus far and

I just love your passion for

accountability. So, I think, you know,

you'll be a perfect fit in that realm

and I look forward to working with you

more in that capacity and just thank you

for your willingness to stay in the game

and stay in the fight and play a role.

So, thank you.

Absolutely.

Thank you, Councilman Jones. Any

questions?

Was uh

No questions.

Thank you.

Okay. Councilwoman Daniels, do you have

any questions for Mr. Vincent?

Okay, I take that as a no.

Uh, so thank you for being here this

evening. I move to add resolution 46 of

2025 to our next legislative session

agenda for a formal vote.

Thank you.

We will open the floor for public

comment. Again, the same housekeeping

notes apply. Please state your name and

your address for the meeting record. If

you don't feel comfortable sharing your

address, please share the vicinity in

which you live within the city. You will

have four minutes to share your

comments. Mr. Parker will serve as our

timekeeper. And I'll begin to my right.

Is there anyone that would like to offer

public comment?

Okay. Seeing and hearing no one. Anyone

in the middle section?

Seeing and hearing no one. Anyone to my

left?

Okay. Seeing and hearing no one. The

time is 6:51 p.m. I will entertain a

motion to adjourn our work session.

Move to adjourn.

Oh, okay. And a second. A second. Okay.

Thank you.

We stand adjourned from our work

session.

Okay, the time is 6:51 p.m. I would like

to call our special legislative session

to order.

Mr. Parker, could you please call the

role?

Miss Daniels,

Miss Davis,

present.

Miss Green,

present.

Mr. Jones,

here. Ms. draws absent excused.

Mr. Rodriguez,

present.

Miss Hill,

present. Thank you. I will lead the

invocation this evening followed by the

pledge of allegiance which will be led

by Councilman Rodriguez.

So, I'd like to ask everyone to please

keep uh the following

residents uh families and friends in

your thoughts and prayers in the weeks

and months ahead.

Mrs. Francis Fulton Jackson. Uh she

received her formal education in the

Harrisburg School District. She was a

proud graduate of John Harris High

School, class of 1970.

Following graduation, Miss Francis began

active duty in the United States Army in

June 1973 and continued her service

through September 1976.

Following her active duty service, Miss

Francis joined the US Army Reserve where

she where she served with distinction

from 1973 to June of 2012, rising to the

rank of master sergeant and retiring

honorably. Miss Francis's civilian

career took her talents to the

Commonwealth of Pennsylvania's office of

the controller before serving as a

health benefits advisor for Tri Care

where she retired. She was an active

member of her church, St. Paul's

Episcopal Church. Um, just a beautiful

woman.

Dr. Carolyn Dylan Carter received her

formal education in the Harrisburg

School District. She was a graduate of

William Penn High School, class of 1957.

For more than 30 years, Dr. Carter

served as an elementary and middle

school teacher and a wellrespected

administrator within the Harrisburg

School District. Dr. Carter is also

remembered for founding the Strawberry

Garden Preschool to benefit children,

families, and the greater Harrisburg

area.

Miss Jesse Sharp. She moved to

Harrisburg in 1968 and began working at

Harrisburg Hospital. Later, she was

employed by the Harrisburg School

District as a school nurse for 29 years.

She was the first African-American

registered nurse working for the

Harrisburg School District to become

coordinator of school health services.

In her leisure, she enjoyed plays and

traveling. Miss Brandy Lester. She

received her formal education in the

Harrisburg School District. She

graduated from John Harris High School,

class of 2001. In her leisure, Brandy

was an avid reader. She enjoyed

crocheting, listening to music, and

attending family gatherings. Finally,

Bishop Dwight Jppy, senior, received his

formal education in the Harrisburg

School District. He graduated from

Harrisburg High School, class of 1983.

He was the co-founder of Harrisburg High

School's Voices of Joy choir. Bishop

Jaffy is remembered by his family and

friends as a man of great conviction and

greater compassion. If everyone could

please join me in a moment of silence

for these great women and men.

Thank you. The pledge of allegiance will

be led by Councilman Rodriguez. All rise

for the pledge, please.

I pledge algiance

of the United States of America and to

the republic for it stands. One nation

under God, indivisible, liberty and

justice for all.

Thank you, Councilman Rodriguez.

Courtesy of the floor. One final time,

we will open the floor for public

comment. As I just stated, please state

your name, your address. Um, if you

don't feel comfortable sharing your

address, please share the vicinity in

which you live within the city. You will

have four minutes to share your

comments. Mr. Parker will serve as our

timekeeper, and I'll begin to my right.

Is there anyone that would like to offer

public comment?

Okay, seeing and hearing no one, anyone

in the middle section?

Seeing and hearing no one, anyone to my

left? Seeing and hearing no one, we will

move forward with our meeting agenda.

Our sole order of business this evening

is resolution 48 of 2025,

which we will read into the record. Mr.

Parker, could you please read it into

the record?

Yes. Resolution 48 of 2025.

a resolution approving the fourth

proposed 2025 budget reallocation.

Thank you. We will we will reserve

discussion uh for next week's

legislative session. Uh is there any old

business for discussion? Council

members.

Okay. Seeing and hearing none, any new

business?

Okay. Seeing and hearing none, the time

is 6:57

p.m. I would like to entertain a motion

to adjurnn.

I make a motion to adjurnn.

Is there a second?

Second.

Thank you. We stand adjourn.