DARI ARTIS SAMPAI ORANG PENTING MERAPAT KE GUNUNG KAWI⁉️

Your boss used to do black magic

like that.

Yes, my boss is like a living corpse.

Every night my dreams were

really unpleasant and I often

had flashbacks to that mountain. Because

I felt like I was being pulled by a

big snake, I was being pulled. It is indeed

real. By Allah it is like that.

Prostitution under the guise of black magic. The requirement is

to have sex with someone who is not

your mahram seven times a day.

And there for men who do

n't have a partner, there are

people who believe in black magic,

people who are actually desperate.

Imagine there are people who are willing to take

their wives to swap partners. That's

seven times the amount. Imagine that being hilarious.

So we are going to discuss about

Mount Kawi.

That's right.

Coincidentally, Marcel was already there, and Wahyu, the

caretaker's son, was there. So who is the

fake caller? Mr. Doni. Doni.

Mas Doni,

Mas Doni

said that he was

an assistant to an artist whose artist had previously

been to Mount Kawi,

he said that's true, what

he meant by that.

Oh yeah, okay. Okay. So because it's

really busy, I'm trading a lot

here, and coincidentally Marcel also came here

yesterday because of you.

Yes, it's true because of me. [laughs]

Yeah, it's because of you, actually.

Gara-gul,

wait a moment. When you went

there, was your goal actually just to

create content, or was there

another motivation? The goal is that many people

suggest, "Bro, talk about black magic, bro.

Bro, talk about the stupidity of black magic, like these

netizens. Then

one of the suggestions is Mount Kawi, which is the most

popular."

Oh, most of them go there.

Most people recommend going to Gunung Kawi.

Well, my aim in going there was to

show that there were only

people praying there, there were no black magic

practices, there were no

supernatural things like that. And when I came

there, I asked the caretaker. Well,

actually what caused the commotion

was that the caretaker didn't use any

censorship

when mentioning the names of artists A I U E or AU officials

when asked. So,

when you broadcast it, you weren't censored, and

those names weren't censored either. There is

no censorship at all. There's no

name, sorry I didn't

really follow it.

Yes According to Mr. Kujutin,

the names of old artists are there, but I do

n't remember them and I don't know them.

But it's on YouTube [clears throat]

there is. And what made it lively was the mention of

Sarwenda's name, who had been there with Mr.

Jokowi. before becoming president.

Oh, that's why it's like this.

So yeah, people think, "Oh,

maybe there's a black magic practice there,"

like that.

Right? Not necessarily.

Even if they go there, it could

be just for prayer, or

filming, or a thanksgiving or something like

that

. Not necessarily.

Yes

Well, that ended up getting mixed up

.

That's right.

Previously, Mas Joko and I used

Mas Doni, [laughs]

Mas Doni.

Yes [clears throat]

You said you have a story where

your boss used to do black magic like that.

Yes

You could say it's a form of black magic.

Why can it be called pesugihan?

I'll take you to what's currently being

widely discussed, the

palace. Keraton means

ee if I say keraton it seems that

direction is yes

because it's behind there.

Okay.

He did it.

Then when I got home from there, it wasn't long before there was a

change.

Okay. There are changes

in terms of Yes. From there,

I arrived at his house. This artist, who was

my former boss,

often performed rituals

at his house.

In his house there is already a special room.

Wait before he goes there is nothing yet

. There isn't any yet

.

After he came home from there there was a

ritual place in his house.

Okay. That's right. like that.

Well, from there, ee, there are

changes that I think

ee are many and most often experienced

by me and my ee boss from

there. If it's from Mount Kawi itself,

there's probably only one or two, eh, what

did I say? I've seen

something like that there, but

this house has the most.

Oh, so at that time you often

accompanied him?

Yes, it does accompany me.

Well, wait, hold on. What does the ritual place in

his house look like?

Maid's room.

Oh, so it's a private room.

Oh, my own room. So what else is there

in the room that is placed?

There are lots of flowers, incense, all sorts of things

there.

Are there any photos or paintings or what?

His photo is there. Then the

most, eh, if I can

say the conditions of the shaman who

once told my boss.

Oh, so when he went there he met a

shaman.

Yes

When you were there, you saw the thing

you mentioned earlier. What was that?

Hey, those legs aren't human legs. So it's an

animal's foot, but the leg is a

human nutmeg.

How do

you see it from where? I mean, you

see how the story goes, you can

see that, right?

So, uh, I'm not too far

from this artist, right?

Hehe.

So, I was there in the past, and

I can explain that the

facilities weren't as good as they are now.

What year was that?

2012.

2012.

Yes. So it's not as good as it is now there

. So basically, it was still dark,

we only brought our cellphones

to the center.

Okay.

That's what we brought from below, right? Hey,

if we go out, it's too far.

Well, so what I saw

there was like the sound of screaming and

voices from the

people who were doing there. So

the prayer is for it to be fast.

Is that a house or what?

Not outdoor. There is a small cave

there.

Oh, the small cave there. Is

that the one in the forest? Yes, it is true.

I went

there yesterday too, bro.

Many people say that the palace is

specifically for people who have

money to perform rituals there. Those who don't

have money are behind the forest. And

previously there were offerings behind the forest

, bro. There are

Beng-beng, there are basically chocolates,

agar-ager,

whatever is on

top. Originally, when I

met him I wanted to eat him, I brought

enough for him on the way back to

Jakarta.

You're just kidding, bro.

I'm finally alone, bro. he said,

"Try it yourself if you dare." I went up alone

.

Hehe.

"Wow, I looked for it. Maybe it wasn't the

day of the ritual,

Zong. I didn't find anything."

There aren't any.

But at that time, when you left, it was already

new. If he left, it would be in 2012.

Yes. There aren't any buildings in the forest

, bro.

Hey, how's the lighting?

Wow, there is no total forest, it's just

plain forests and

gardens behind

the palace.

Okay. There's nothing there

.

Let's continue a bit first.

Yes That's right. When you were there, how did

you see the apparition of a human with

legs? It was a horse, an

animal, basically. The

animal's legs are animals.

How's the story?

So it's not too far for me.

So, holding it like the offerings we

have prepared at home.

Hehe.

What the shaman asked for.

Hehe.

Same with my boss. So,

what does this boss look like there?

There is blood put into the bottle.

Okay.

Then at that time we were asked to

slaughter black chickens. Okay,

that's what I'm sticking to. So actually it's like this

, like

from quite far away, 50 m like that.

Later, if the caretaker gives me a

signal, I'll go there.

Hehe.

Deliver the conditions here.

Oh, there's something like that.

Oh, there are codes.

Yes

Okay. Okay. Carry on.

So I went in. Well, when I

entered, I already had a bad feeling

because it was really quiet, silent, there was nothing there

. So it was like a lot of

things hit me.

Oh, do you feel that way?

Absolutely, absolutely. There's a lot of that

there.

It wasn't because of the suggestion at that time.

If the suggestion is different, it feels like it.

Because it's true that it's hit by a problem.

Okay. You can be sure that this is not a

suggestion. Oh yeah.

No. It was hit because of that.

Okay. Well, you didn't ask the

artist, right? I mean, what are we doing

here? There's no need for you to

ask questions like that.

I asked that after I got home.

Oh, there is. There's time.

Yes, I did. I want to end it

all.

What did he answer?

Wait a minute, I want to be successful first. I

want to advance my career first, then we can

finish everything.

Oh, so you know this is wrong. Yes,

I did tell you. I had a chance

.

But he just continued, just

continued.

Success.

There are some changes that I

mentioned earlier. The

change is in terms of TV advertising.

Oh.

Ee then what's the name? Ee, I

also signed the contract because I knew at

that time. So basically after that it will be

2 weeks or 1 month.

Hehe. [clears throat] Continue

from there. But from

these changes, we see that

my boss is like a living corpse.

What about the living dead, bro? It's

as if his passion for life doesn't exist. Her face is

flat, normal, and there's a lot of pain from it.

H.

Well, that's what I said, I already have a

bad feeling. I don't feel good anymore

. Until then

my driver said, "Sir, this is what the boss

looks like." Yes Because yes,

maybe yesterday's agreement was there.

Oh, so talk.

Yes So that's the talk of the town.

Hey, the maid knows, right?

There's no maid.

Oh, no. There was

only me and Mr. Yon.

So who cleans the house?

There aren't any. Mostly me and Mr. Yon.

Because one house has three

floors. This artist can be said to be

alone, there is no one around.

So how did

his story end with Gunung Kawi?

So at that time I didn't know, maybe this was

God's plan. So

at that time I was asked to go home

because my mother was sick.

Okay.

At that time,

it was exactly at the same time that

my boss was filming in the

East Jakarta area.

Hehe. Well, so I got home this

morning and my mother called me. Well,

that afternoon they were filming. That

evening, after Maghrib prayers, I received a call from

Mr. Yono saying that this artist had passed

away.

Such a short life.

Come on, I'm getting old. Artist Oh,

how old was he when he went there?

Four heads.

Oh, that means he died at the age of forty

.

Yes, it is true. The

cause of death was not revealed

.

So it was like his neck had been slit.

Eh, that means eh, this can be investigated,

right?

Yes But I don't know about that.

What are the ins and outs of that? But it's all closed.

I don't know whether it's

true or not, or whether it's just a

technical issue,

I don't know what it's called.

So the point is you're not coming anymore.

No. I've come home, I'm

already in Java.

How long was it during your time as a

process assistant that he played around like that?

Half year.

There are apparitions in the house.

In

what house? What does it look like?

Snake.

The appearance of a real snake is like that.

That big snake is often used as a place for

my room, which is very close to the room

where the ritual is performed.

Okay.

It's next door, you could say, here, here, like that

.

So it's just flanked by a small bathroom.

Well, from there, I actually didn't

mind, I was no longer comfortable

because from there I often

called my mother.

Well, from there, every night

I had really unpleasant dreams and

often had

flashbacks to that mountain.

Because I felt like I was being pulled

by a big snake, I was being pulled.

This is the story of a dream where you are

pulled by a big snake. If the snake is

really seen in my room,

ee, once or several times.

How many times have I said

that those feet are not human?

I have often seen them in that house.

Oh, from that mountain he appeared at

home.

Yes And it's more at home.

His face is human.

His face is human.

Okay. Hold on a minute.

Yes

Wahyu, you're the caretaker's son, right?

That's right.

In the mountains, right? But that's

not what

these older brothers came to.

Yes It's a different place, but the area is still the

Gunung Kawi area, right?

Bed temp area Gunung Kawi.

But this story must have reached

your ears.

I've never heard anything

this scary. Because if we were there, we

might have problems with people like the

information mission yesterday, "Oh, this is

black magic." But I've never

heard of anything as scary as this

.

Papa is a native of that area.

Yes, my father's family is from there. I am the

sixth descendant of Eyang Iman

Sujono who is also buried in the

Gunung Kawis Cemetery, whose

grave is also a place of

pilgrimage to this day. He was buried

next to his teacher, Eyang Jugo,

who was Eyang Iman Sujono. Then first I

took care of his grave, then his descendants

until now I also take care of the

Gunung Gawi peseren area.

Okay. But Dad never told

a story or did you know?

Dad probably likes to hear

scary stories, but he probably doesn't

tell them to me.

Oh.

Because I was the social media manager at the Gunung Kawi Islamic Boarding School

.

Hehe. Well, I usually don't, ee,

I'm given a case where someone was cheated out of

money, and then how do I report it,

or like someone got lost

because it's far from the city, sometimes the GPS

fails and things like that.

But if for example people perform

such rituals honestly, perhaps even

people who have lived there for

generations wouldn't

know much about it.

Oh. Is it because of different places? Yes,

maybe because of the different places. It's always

possible that if something scary happens,

people might cover it up.

Yes But have you ever been an

eyewitness to someone coming

to perform a ritual

?

Ee, bring a chicken, what kind of chicken blood,

etc.

In our country, there is no ritual using

chicken blood, no blood. Everything

we do is just a pilgrimage,

giving thanks.

Oh, thank

you.

Yes then ee carries out activities

in accordance with Javanese customs.

Of course, it's according to the rules, but it's

not scary if we put up

the offerings. Javanese offerings, not the ones that were there

earlier? Chocolate.

Huh. Yes

Sweet jelly chocolates.

Hold on a minute, I want to ask

why there's chocolate there?

No. They say there is a type of pesugihan

whose requirement is to put

sweet foods in it, bro. There at the

chocolate maker. Yes, that's why chocolate is there.

Not just chocolate. Yes, I keep eating

sweets. That's why I want to

meet you. I want to take you. That's pretty good.

But I didn't find it. Z

because it's sweet that's why it's like that.

Yes He said that by giving

sweet things to someone, his life will also become

sweet, he said.

We don't have any. In our country it is

very traditional, yes. So it's still

fruit. Then the ingkung chicken is

fried. Flour is

whole fried chicken. Oh yes,

because it keeps your fortune intact.

There are philosophies. That's right.

Then there's fruit, vegetables, coffee. But this is

something that is consumed by the

local community as well as our grandparents and

our grandparents. So the celebration and

offerings are in accordance with the Javanese way of life

too.

Excuse me. After that, it was consumed.

Yes After praying, it is eaten

together. Oh. not left and

rot.

No. In fact, we have already cooked, so

we can enjoy the results. Yes

Like that. That one

, I know that one is like

that. So it doesn't rot.

In fact, we don't want to waste it.

For example, if there is a celebration where there

might be too much or if

there are people who

order a lot and can't

take it home. Sometimes they say this

can be shared with

local residents. So, the people who

live around the Gunung Kawi area

are there because it is a densely populated settlement.

Yes That's also a

blessing, you know.

Part of the celebration, tumpeng. Sometimes it's

delicious when it's made into food.

Yes Sometimes we also share, for example, if

there are guests who want to be kind,

for example, we share beef like

that, we also voice this to the

local RTR RW. This is allowed for the community.

So, they accept kindness from

other people who want to be grateful

for being given such good fortune.

And his fortune is not necessarily from the

Gunung Kawi feast.

Hehe.

Also maybe they're outside, eh?

Maybe the business is going smoothly, right? Then

I want to donate

like that.

In Sono, food isn't

eaten, people just put it like that,

right?

Yes If it's the palace, bro, there's no

food. If there is no food in the palace, there is

no food. That's the existence of

flowers.

Flowers and incense. Yes Flowers and incense are the

only requirements, according to the caretaker.

Meanwhile, in this forest, bro, there

are caves in this forest.

There are caves and there are buildings too,

like, and near the building, but they are not

nice buildings, right? Near the building,

there are places in front of it like the

usual places for stones to be used.

Oh,

then there's writing.

Yes Yes, his photo. Yes Yes, he is. There is

a photo.

Yes Various photos. In that photo, it

usually looks like people are really looking forward to

this girl. Well, he put up a photo of him

and the girl. Well, you have to pray while

hoping that your prayer will

be answered there.

I once found a bra, Bro.

Ah, that's different, that's different from pesugihan kancut,

bro.

Oh, yes. [laughs]

In Java, the ritual of kancut is in the cave

in front of it. The requirement is

not to put sweet things like

before, sweet food, no. That's

the condition for putting away underwear that has been

worn.

But this isn't on Mount Kawin, it's

not that.

Oh,

that's different again.

But there is but in a different place.

Yes, it's the same in Java. Central Java

Java. So basically, who do you think the offerings you are

putting out are

? Oh shaman. A shaman must have

instructions, right?

Yes That's right.

If earlier he had a clue.

Yes From people. Well, those are issues

like that. The issue of black magic is still unknown, and

who

actually created it. Just like on Mount

Kemukus. Mount Kemukus is a prostitution business

disguised as black magic.

Oh. There.

In Kemukus until now.

Bim. How can you say that

it's prostitution? The requirement is to have

sex with someone who is not your mahram

seven times a day.

And there for men who don't

bring one or don't have a partner, there's provision there,

bro.

Oh,

how much do the ladies pay for

rent? Eh, I don't know, bro.

[laughs]

Right? You can test it first,

because [laughs] it's like this

everywhere, right? Wait a minute. At Gunung

Kawi there is a red card. Is that true?

What? This red card e was

at the cemetery yesterday.

In the cemetery. Oh, I saw it at the cemetery.

So there's a picture on Gunung Kawi,

what's that picture? There is a red card for the

Gunung Kawi cemetery,

there are red cards like that. But

this one is actually a red card

for food. Thanksgiving.

Shaving. Yes, that's right, it's a thanksgiving.

But I've seen a red card. Red

card is like black magic.

Ah that's fake. That's already a scam. It's

definitely a scam. Look

right. That's definitely a scam.

It's definitely a scam. That must be a scam

because we came on pilgrimage to the

Gunung Kawi shrine for free.

Yes

Okay. If there is something like that, it is already a

fraud.

Fraud. Just like if we go into a

mosque or go to Kanan Imim to

the Temple, we can just go in.

Oh, there's Kanim there.

There is Kanan Imim, there is Tikong,

we even have Camsi.

Oh

I see.

There are many. Yes, there are many places, ma'am.

Then we have a mosque and even just outside

our area there is a church. Okay.

So, we are there [laughs],

we provide a place for

pilgrimage, prayer, and to get away to

empty our minds so we can feel calm and

peaceful.

Calm.

That means there are no shamans in your area

.

There aren't any. Even we have a

lot of lighting. The roads are

good, we have a large parking area.

I'm in a

different place from the palace, right?

When you were searching in the palace, did you find a

shaman or not?

There aren't any. Kuncen, there are

lots of Kuncens, there are lots of people waiting.

So the key is, for example, if someone

new comes,

he will approach me and then I need a tour

. It's not like that, offering later

if you need a ritual, we'll guide you like that.

Oh, guide guide guide treat.

Yes, not a guide for persugihan there.

The caretaker doesn't believe in

supernatural powers either, bro.

Well, wait wait sorry caretaker, later we

will try how the

caretakers there are. I'm asking here, is the

issue of black magic really real or

not? There aren't any. They say that there is

no such thing as a pesugihan with a sacrifice

. Javanese people also

don't believe in black magic that involves

sacrifices, bro.

That's why this issue came from

? And this issue is very embedded in

Indonesia.

Yes So, sorry, I think

Mount Kawi is a very

scary place. [clears throat] There is

a lot of black magic,

dense energy that can make people

successful, but

the risk is that your life will be the sacrifice. That's

it. Even though there aren't any, bro. That's an issue

no one knows who created.

Oh, so it's been the case that

every year we have celebrations like

Eid al-Fitr, and Cap Gome, we had

Hael Sandar. So, it is a place of

cultural history that is even visited by

local students to learn. At

that time, there was an independent curriculum, and

after that, there were visits from the

Tourism Office, because that was

normal. So we continue to be

monitored, like for example, oh,

maybe there should be updates, like

more lights, there should be

CCTV like that.

But some local people

complained, did they feel slandered?

Lots. A lot of. Because if, for

example, people are reluctant to go to Mount Kawi

or to the Mount Kawi temple, they will

lose their livelihood.

Okay.

Many farmers' goods are no longer

marketable. craftsmen whose goods were not

purchased.

Okay.

Then with this, cultural activists

and traditional artists become

jobless or are labeled as shamans.

Hehe. That's right. [laughs]

Okay. What I understand is that the rise of the

Gunung Kawi issue has become negative.

That's right.

If you go there, it will go wrong. People

get scared.

That's right. Even though it's not scary there.

Yes There's nothing scary about it.

So it's a pity that Gunung Kawi and

its people have been slandered too.

Yes That's right.

That's right. I don't know who made up the story of the

Mount Kau ritual. I don't know who.

So, what did you find from your research at that time?

Why did it turn out like

that? What place is that?

Ee because actually there I

asked, "Bro, what are

the key rituals? Usually people who

want to come, ee, what are the prayers? They say they only

need incense and three kinds of flowers.

Well, this needs to be known, yes, that incense is

why Javanese people pray

using incense. Javanese beliefs

state that when incense is

burned, our prayers will be carried upwards by the smoke

.

I [snort] those are analogies,

yes, philosophies. Philosophies, yes,

philosophers,

ee, believe that our words are

carried upwards so that they are more easily

answered towards God. Well, ee,

actually that's the only prayer and

there are graves, Bro. There are graves in

the palace too.

Oh, in the palace too. Oh, so

there are several graves there, right?

In my place, the graves are from 1871.

Yes. Old graves, right?

Yes, old graves.

The one in Babat Alas is also mine. So

if there are other graves

around, I don't know. Especially

in palace, right?

Yes, there are graves in the palace.

What graves are there in the palace?

Javanese graves. I asked

the caretaker, are they buried here as

Muslims or Javanese? E pure Javanese.

Pure Javanese. Okay. As for the one in the

cemetery, there is a

new Islamic preacher in the cemetery.

Okay.

So, maybe his grandfather or who?

Yes, that was the teacher of Eyang Jugo or Kiai

Zakaria 2. Right.

Okay.

He was also a fighter in the

Java War.

Yes.

Then with his student Eyang Iman Sujono,

after the Java War, he went into

exile. Then finally, he also asked to

be buried on the slopes of Mount Kawi.

Excuse me, there is a spiritual teacher of

Prince Diponegoro.

Well, we can't claim that

Eyang Jugo was his spiritual teacher

because he changed his name from Kiai

Zakaria 2 to

Jugo

so that it wouldn't

be seen as

this assumption, but it can't be

claimed.

We can't claim it because why?

Jugo also didn't have any

descendants.

Then his history

still needs to be proven further.

Yes, the history is also very long.

Heeh.

And it's very difficult here to

prove whether it's really this person,

whether that proof is needed,

right?

Yes. Hold on a minute, sir, I want to

finish with you first.

Why are Sarwenda and Ruben

dragged into this?

Yes, the kuncen said so. I

asked which artists have

been here, sir? He said Sarwenda.

Yes, Sarwenda was included there, there are many

. He said Ruben was

there too. Rubenak.

Oh, Ruben isn't just Sarwenda.

Sarwenda [clears throat] hold on a minute, Boss. That's

because in the video I captured,

they did make content. There's

Sarwenda and

his brother, Ruben. That's right

. Like their YouTube content. That's right

. I also suspect that maybe they

made content and carried out rituals

according to what the kuncen taught them

for content, I think.

Yes, for content, right.

But they were arrested probably by the same kuncen

ee carrying out rituals too.

So, what do you catch? I'm sorry, ee, does he

go there often or only

once when he creates content?

Ah, no, I didn't ask there.

Not many times or anything like that.

Because I just want to let you know

what the names of the kuncens sold here are

, Bro, actually

to the public that if indeed the

people mentioned here are not

there for a ritual or indeed for a

family holiday, let me clarify

that.

That's why I don't censor at all.

But deep down you are a

private person.

Sarwenda, do you think you go there to create content

or give gifts? content, bro.

I guess

if you think it's more about content.

Yes Yes I know Ruben, I'm

quite close to Ruben.

So, and it hurts, many people suspect that

because there is a channel on the other side,

there is another channel

that is causing chaos, actually inviting

people who are said to be former

artist assistants like him.

Yes, like this. But the

script leads to Ruben and

Sarwen.

Period?

Yes, all of them. Yes Leading. But he didn't

mention the artist, but he

led there.

Oh,

as if he were a former artist.

Well, on the internet, Ruben was also

asked about

Fitri, right? You don't know

who Fitri is, who the

assistant is, and who the artist is?

What about the credibility of the source?

Well, I also suspect a lot of

content like that

because I heard the source was sick

. It hurts

to

hear that after that,

the script is like that. [laughs]

Oh, you feel like it's a script. I feel like it's a

script because many stand-up

comedy friends are invited to

horror channels like that. They

're paid Rp 350,000 and given a script for a

horror story. My suspicion is, yes, the suspicion is

very strong because he only

told the story there and didn't want to

reveal who it was. Because

speaking based on facts in Indonesia

is protected by law, right? So,

even if he mentioned the name of the artist, it should be

fine. Oh

yeah, if it's a fact

. If it's a fact like my channel,

I... There's no censorship, Mr. Jokowi, I'm

showing his name.

Why am I not afraid? Because it's a

fact.

Yes, I understand.

Yes. So it can't be prosecuted.

That's why it's so strange that he said,

"I'm worried that those who don't dare

mention the artist's name because, uh, this

artist will be big, I'll be

prosecuted and stuff." No

way.

Yes. Oh, you invited me too.

Yes. Yes, I'm also looking into it, Bro. Yes,

I want to find out. Yes, he said he

only wanted to tell the story on his channel

. Hey, hey, why are there people [laughing]

?

Eh, Bcker's trail came to clarify you

here.

Yes, that's right.

Yes. And bring Fitri.

Yes, bring Fitri. That's right. Yes. Because of

this, don't let the issue get

weird.

Poor person who

killed his marriage because of slander.

That's right.

Ee, the artist was slandered.

Right? The credibility

of this person's accountability is something like that, right? Yes

. Yes. And that's it, Bro. It's a shame if,

for example, Sarwenda or Ruben

wants to report the podcast. No

way, bro. You

can. Oh, no way

. Without mentioning

any traces, just say the artist

isn't Sarwenda.

Oh, it's really uncomfortable to be in that position. It's an

uncomfortable position, right? Yes. Poor

Sarwenda and Ruben, poor Gunung Kawi,

poor the cemetery, the palace.

So it's as if people come there

for pesugihan and then someone gets sick,

then people will be more afraid to learn the

customs.

We interrogated Mas Dono.

Now, this is true,

eh Doni

Doni

Mas Don, you caught our entire conversation

. We don't want to corner you, yes,

yes,

but with something like this, the

credibility of the source, especially if he's

wearing a mask, is a

big question. Now, from

your story, how much can we

believe that this story is

a fact because

what percentage of what happened to you, if you say this,

your tongue is responsible to

God, so to speak. So because at

that time, it was actually I

didn't work with my boss on purpose

.

So I was introduced to a friend of mine who

had worked with him for a long time.

Heeh.

So it's like replacing positions.

Yes.

He.

Ee if the question

leads to that, this is to my boss,

then the one at Gunung Kawi, I

actually don't want to discuss it too

much.

Heeh. Because what I saw was

true, he did go to Gunung

Kawi. Because in that year, eh, what

Marcel said earlier was true, was

there one of those small caves

that I did investigate, it was true,

you did go there,

it really happened. Well, of course the audience

is asking questions, bro, but is it true

that seeing this, maybe

you're hallucinating, right?

You're probably making this up so

people will listen to your story, there will

definitely be assumptions. Well, if

you yourself responded to being

attacked like that, how would you answer

?

Like I said earlier,

I ee ee what's the name of

this annoying, who is the artist. Then what I

saw was really like that.

It was indeed that Real real. By God, it's

like that.

Okay. Okay. But when you were traveling there, you

didn't get any supernatural disturbances.

Well, when I went to the forest, they said I had to try

to do the taboos. I did it, bro.

They said I shouldn't be arrogant. Wi,

I was arrogant, the most powerful human mission was to

pass through like that. [laughs]

Well, I walked alone all the way from top

to bottom. There was nothing, I did all the

taboos.

Nothing.

Nothing,

nothing. So, and what you

told me earlier, bro, about the blood ritual

using blood, is actually a

spiritual belief that

people say black magic is not Javanese, it's

different,

ee, because the requirements

for connecting there is a belief where

people say that

there are three requirements for connecting to the supernatural:

blood, bones, and dirt.

Dirt means a dirty place.

So these three things are there. So

your words will be easier for

demons to hear so they can ask for

their cooperation.

But again, that's just a belief,

bro.

Hold on. Where did that story come

from? Is

it there? There's a player?

Ah,

caught, right? I mean,

did Wahyu catch a player like that,

right? Uh, yes, I can, bro. But in the

comments on my video when I went to

Gunung Kawi, there were a lot of comments, bro,

that said, "My boss

went there but the caretaker paid for it." I

don't know if it's true or not, but

there were a lot of comments like that.

My boss went there during the first ritual, he said the

ritual had to be done at least 14 times.

He.

Prayers with incense and flowers at

the graves. Then the key

offered, instead of you going back and forth

here, it's tiring, right, and the cost too. It's better to

pay me to be a jockey.

Oh, you can be a jockey.

Right. Later, when it's successful, there will be

a lot of celebrations coming here. Yes. It's

amazing to be

jockeyed. Well, he's already paid for

the ritual 14 times.

His company went bankrupt.

Bankrupt.

Maybe this is success. [laughs]

No. That wasn't told.

Imagine, bro. If he had, he

would have been asked about it. If this person

succeeds, what is their vow, what is their promise

, what are they going to do? Are they going to slaughter a cow? It's

a blessing. Heeh.

If they succeed, they get money again. If they

fail, they just leave it alone.

Oh.

Well, there are many people who fail.

That's why many people, when I

went to Gunung Kawi, wanted to inform me that there is

no such thing as pesugihan. It's just a prayer

. Their belief. Why do so many

people think that the

BCA boss went there. He was actually

mentioned by the

caretaker.

Yes. If I were to go,

for example, I would go on vacation, I would

eat fried egg rice there.

Yes, or I would go to the mountain and

climb mountains and all sorts of things.

How can you say it? Yes. Yes, that's right.

Now, the problem for visitors who

want to go to Gunung Kawi is that they are afraid that

people will talk about it when they get home.

It's not fair. It's

not fair.

It's not fair. Yes. Have

you ever caught anything in

your area? What kind of pesag? earlier?

eh, he was cheated, and

many people have reported to us

that they feel

cheated.

That's why we always say on our social media

in that place that we have to be

careful if, for example, someone

promises to accompany us, to join in the

ritual with them, we say be

careful. We're afraid it's an irresponsible person

.

Okay, let's summarize, shall we?

Heeh. So, what can I get if I go to Gunung Kawi

? So that's

the question. If we can

conclude that what was just mentioned is not

a good and right thing, right?

What can we get?

If I can only say from the

Gunung Kawi tourist area, because Gunung

Kawi is a big,

really big mountain.

In our area, the tourist area is only about 5 hectares

.

Heeh. eh,

if people come to the Gunung Kawi tourist area, they might find

their hearts calmer and more

peaceful.

Yes.

It's still beautiful.

Yes.

You can stay overnight, eat, and enjoy culinary delights.

If you come on certain days,

the air is nice.

Nice. Really nice.

I read earlier that this The first time

someone from Gunung Kawi wanted to

come for clarification on the podcast, they said.

Yes, that's

right.

Oh, you've been feeling slandered for a

long time, so that means.

Hey, if there's a rumor that

there's black magic at the Gunung Kawi shrine. He,

that probably goes back to my grandparents' time

.

Oh, so you've been upset for a long time, huh?

Yes. But if we thought

like this before, there would definitely be a decline in people, there would still be those

who believed that this was a

place for

pilgrimage and

for

good outings.

Good ones

too. Because we always educate

about the culture, the customs.

We never force one thing

or another. So we always

believe that, for example,

there will definitely be people who come. He.

In my opinion, the mountain is a

good place.

Yes.

Yes.

I believe it's a good place. There are,

Bro. If you ask me, Den,

are there any of that? I believe

there are.

There are. Oh,

but does it cause you any

harm? I believe not.

He.

Because we are alive, right? coexisting with

nature.

Right.

Although if you say there is, maybe

there is.

But as for me, I don't eat

the offerings.

Oh.

Why? If you mean like this, I

found it, I don't believe in that

,

but I believe in prayer.

But it could be that there are some things

that might test a person's faith in

how far they want what they

want

with things like that.

Okay.

But Allah knows

people's hearts, right?

Yes, that's right. Right

? It's like Allah knows their intentions are

not good. Yes, that's

right.

So, do those people realize that

they went there?

Oh, Allah knows.

And Allah knows that their intentions are not good.

Most of them are desperate, bro.

People who believe in black magic are

actually desperate people.

Yes, to the point where, imagine in Kemukus,

there are even people who are willing to take their wives to swap

partners. That's

seven times, bro. Imagine that, it's hilarious.

He's more like that, bro. [laughs]

He's not black magic. Sorry, sis

Kemukus was like that, it was once

disbanded by Mr. Ganjar. It was, but

it disappeared for a while after Mr. Ganjar

finished, and it's more closed

now.

Oh,

so it's like I heard in

coffee shops. So if you go to

Kemukus, do you get a drink at the coffee shop, do you have the

ritual requirements offered

[laughs]?

The strangest thing you found there,

the strangest thing, because I

watched your entire YouTube channel.

What was the strangest thing you found?

Well, it's standard, it's

still standard,

standard. Yes. No, there's nothing

special.

Nothing. There's a small cave, and there are

offerings like Javanese sugar and things like that.

That's also there. Then there are

dried flowers from the

pilgrims, they're wrapped up

again, taken home again, Bang,

by the guests. What's

unique is that in the guest book, their

intentions are written down. There's an intention, ee,

to pay off a debt of Rp250 million.

There's someone who I wrote, someone wanted to have

two wives. It was written there. I said,

"If you want a debt, it's finished, not

written, paid by that woman." [laughs]

Why is it written debt? It's really strange that it won't

be paid off.

Is there a lie that you

heard or read, or read the news like that,

that you think needs clarification

from Gunung Kawi?

Actually? Yes, the pesugihan is the

most important thing, right?

That's number one, right? Because there really is

no pesugihan in the

Gunung Kawi market area, there isn't any.

Heeh.

Then in our area, it's not scary.

Heeh.

And there are no priceless sacrifices.

The price list for the sacrifice is quite

expensive, right?

And that became an issue again, even though

it was a price list for a vow or thanksgiving, but

they said that

the chickens there are actually children, I mean.

Yes.

And the cows are mothers or fathers,

parents. Where does this understanding come from

? It's

twisted. It's

twisted

. But it's not like that. Chickens are

really chickens, tumpeng is really

Tumpeng.

Regarding the viral price list for the celebration

. If you want to see

what the celebration looks like, our Instagram

is always updated regularly. So,

what does it look like? There's

tumpeng.

Oh, there's Gunung Kawi's Instagram

. I've had that Instagram for

5 years and it's continued to grow.

You manage it,

I manage it.

You evaluate the panto. Okay. So, if

someone asks for help and prays for them, they

can help and pray for them. But

what if the prayer is strange? For example, like earlier,

I wanted my debt paid off,

for example,

regardless of everything, uh, each

person has their own beliefs.

Of course, if there are

strange prayers like that, maybe someone

from the Gunung Kawi celebration

suggested something like that, how about a prayer

like this.

Oh, the language

so that the connotation is better.

Yes, the language, the language of the prayer, right?

Yes. Yes. Because logically, we

pray to God Almighty. How can the

prayer be bad language?

Yes, that's what I mean. Yes, I understand. Understand.

Minimal if indeed the intention is

bad the language is good. Yes

Because we can't, like, you

can't let people do what?

Just have a wife. [laughs]

Yeah yeah yeah.

We can't ban that,

right? Surely there are also those who want to be like oh my

God, I'm hurt by

this person and Marcel. Fish. Well, he

asked for prayers.

Yes,

please pray, Marcel is

such a bad person. I'm hurt by him.

Can you just pray for

his life?

Well, again, we don't have any sacrifices.

Oh nothing. Oh, no, there's

no sacrifice mode, right? There are

sacrifices, pesugihan, raising money, those are

just people's opinions. We have

salvation, pilgrimages like that.

Yes, which is normal.

Yes, originally it was because it was

appropriate to Javanese culture.

Okay.

And at this cruise, when I

came there, it wasn't allowed, Bro. You ca

n't use it if you're on a holiday

because it's a

prayer area. But for example, outside content the

prayer area, so in the background,

right? Im or in the gate, the pesarean is

our icon, so you can take photos,

so what are you worried about? If it's in

that area, don't post it

because if people are praying, how can we

post it

and we're afraid it could be narrated in

various ways, right?

But we're more focused on first maintaining

privacy and second respecting the people who

are praying there. Okay, the main

point I got is that

some people like Mas Doni and

others have experienced it, but

it comes back to one, ee,

personal experience.

Yes, that's right.

Then we can't

use it as a benchmark that what

was experienced is ee, generalizing that

the area is like that. That's

roughly what Mas Dun said. That's what we

can take from ee, representatives from

Gunung Kawi, right. Right. I'm from the

Gunung Kawi pesaren. So please don't

misunderstand that we have nothing

to do with the palace. That's right

. The pesarean area is only managed

by the pesarean area manager. We have our

own foundation. If it's in the palace,

we don't know like they do.

What's the management like? I can't

comment much either. A

closing remark from Mr. Marcel, about

all your trips to Gunung Kawi

that ultimately became a frenzy.

Yes. That's actually it, friends.

My intention to go to Gunung Kawi

was to inform you

that there are prayers there according to

Javanese beliefs. And for my

Muslim friends,

there are prayer rooms there too, right? There are

also at the cemetery. And it's

really just a pilgrimage there. There's no such thing as

having to offer food, this and that, there's

nothing. There's also no need to pay a

certain amount and then get a certain amount, there's nothing.

That's it, sir. fraud sti. Red card

on ee internet-internet pay Rp.

200,000 and get Rp. 350 million. This

doesn't make sense.

How many times is it?

So yes, that's why there's always a

complete package, bro.

So, if you think logically, it's

true that I have IDR 00,000,

so how much is that?

R00 million R00,000 so

yes

that's why and the lowest complete package

is R million, you get 10 billion,

they say.

Oh, this is a complete package, right? Yes Evening

[laughs] is really weird. Complete package Rp.

2.2 billion. And there's

S4 marketing there, bro. Below can only be

done once in a lifetime. So

people will definitely choose the complete package.

Oh,

it's the same as this, if you want to

COD together, the

person says, "Wow, someone else has already

asked about this." [laughs]

Well, actually, there, once again, it's

for the Javanese people's belief that prayers are answered more quickly

. In Islam itself,

there is a way for it to be answered, which is

actually like when it rains

and at the end of the prayer, in

every religion there is a belief that it returns to

each individual. What is clear is that pesugihan,

eh, you could say, never existed.

Because if there were someone

selling cilok, the price of cilok would be IDR 1

million but there would be a queue to buy it.

Yes You can try to digest all of this

with a healthy mindset. He,

I believe everyone has their own beliefs

and religion. There is a

story to what our ancestors believed. But

when the story makes you

choose or take the wrong steps

and believe that wrongness is the

path to success, it comes back

to each of you. Because Allah

knows the hearts of people and is able to

turn their hearts. something like

that. So don't

keep those places

for personal gain, but bring

badness and a bad impression and also a bad name

for that place. It's more

or less like that, yeah. Always

think good things. For example,

by watching the following Baby Udon film

.

Pressure 70/40, pulse 140. Hey,

you're so rude. Watch your mouth.

We have to stabilize him now. I'm

ready to go now.

Fanny, her partner's hand, ma'am. Yes,

Fani.

You wish you could fool me with

increased bleeding, Doc.

Saken, saksen [music] now.

Sidup sematih [music]

live and die.