Did Jack's Masonic Great-Grandfather Help FOUND an Entire Kansas Town?

Just sparked my interest. Okay, I'm going live right now. So we're five minutes till, so I'm shooting. We'll go over all of that again. Okay, so the home. Yeah, we'll start off with Council Grove. And then somewhere down the line, we'll talk about, I don't know. We could skip that, but I thought it kind of led into going to the Market Street Grill. Market Street Grill.

uh appear were the 894 blah blah blah yes yeah no and i actually saved that photo and we are live already now so but people aren't in yet but but uh so yeah i i actually saved that so if you want to pull if you want me to pull that picture up of the 890 whatever we'll get into other things and talk okay great i don't know if you want me to talk about my friend and his journal that was

I would love that. Yeah. If you can. We'll do that at the very end. Okay. Yeah. And I've got, I've got like a couple, like an hour and a half, two hours, hopefully. So we'll see, you know, what we can get in that. And you're coming on again, Jack, like this isn't the last time. So we'll have time. I'm going to make you, I'm going to make you again. Yeah.

Oh, this is crazy. Yeah. Did you ever think you'd be doing a live on YouTube? Hell no. Never. Well, thank you for doing it. Thank you for doing it. You know, I work on boilers and chillers. I don't know the first thing about turning on a computer. Yeah. Really? I mean, when

When you get in your late 60s and you've barely turned on a computer all your life, I barely know how to use my smartphone. Why do you think I got an Apple? Because it's just a hair easier. Well, that's how my dad is. I get it. I mean, when I'm, you know, y'all's age, my dad's age, who knows what technology is going to look like? I will definitely, you know, have a hard time as well. Right.

I'm actually scared of that. I'm scared of what that's going to look like. And it's really not that far off. I mean, you know, to where the tech is in your body, where they want to put, you know, connect human with technology. It's right around the corner. I mean, it's not that far away. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, look at the from 1980 on the computer industry is just

taken off. Yeah. And obviously, you know, if you look at it from afar, you can tell that that was already packaged and ready to go. They were already using it. I mean, if you look at NASA, NASA had touchscreens in like the, you know, whatever, 1950s or something like that, you know, like iPads, like they had iPad touchscreens.

So it's that's just one of those repurposed tech deals. I feel that was around at some point in some form or fashion. Right. Who knows? Very interesting, because times have really progressed. My dad, I found a certificate in the drawer right after he died and he had flown in the Navy and.

Every prop engine plane from 1930 to 1960. Wow. Every prop engine plane that the Navy ever flew, he had flown. No way. He was up there. How many people, and he was a commander in a carrier. Whenever he flew onto a carrier of 5,000 people, there was never more than five people that outranked him. Really? Yeah.

Wow. He was a carrier pilot and he went in right after World War II. Right after it? Right after it. Close call. That's crazy. So he actually like the big carrier planes, like the big, big boys. Everything, everything that was a prop engine. Yes. His brother was a year older than him.

And he flew the first squadron of F-9 jets off of a carrier. He was one of the first four pilots. And he became not only a captain of a base, captain of a carrier, but my dad's brother became a rear admiral in the 1980s. And then he quickly didn't like the politics, so he retired and retired in Sacramento. So, yeah. Yeah. Did you ever get, did you go into the military? No.

Boy, my dad wanted me in the worst way. He wanted me to train to be a pilot. And I thought it was more interesting to get married and start having kids. Well, thank goodness. I went into the trades. I went into pipe fitting, plumbing, HVAC. And now I repair boilers and chillers at a major university to keep things going.

comfortable in the buildings. Yeah. Well, that's great. Well, and I mean, that's the way to go even nowadays, you know, you know, that kind of job. I mean, it's, I think people are starting to realize like a four year degree is not worth it anymore. I can't tell you how many I, you know, and I say this, I wish I completed college. I wish I could go. Of course, my addiction got in the way with that. But, but a lot of my friends that have gotten four year degrees and even gone back and got their master's,

you know they're trying to find a job and it's hard it's it's really hard and then when they get a job it's not you know to the level that they tell you it should you know is gonna be if you get this four-year whatever degree and so these technical schools are the way to go for sure even now even today you know well my son while he was working for his masters to become an accountant

People, guys would come to him and the guys that were a little stronger, a little more physical. And they said, yeah, I just want to try to get a degree. And he talked them out of it and said, here, here's the plumbers union. Here's the electrical union. You'll always have a job.

If you can install something. That was his thinking. If you can install something, you'll always have a job. That's great. It's true. It's true. He always said, you can only push so much paper. Yeah, of course. And that was big for 100 years. But now that we got AI. Yeah, I know.

Yeah, and that's coming in quick. It's coming in a little too quick, isn't it? A lot of jobs are going to be gone in the next five years. Yeah, they are. And it's going to be like a switch turn on. And that's what's kind of scary is like, there's a lot of other stuff in the world going on right now, too. And then you pile that on top of it and people losing their jobs and not having money and everything.

You just don't know where it's going to go, right? But all you can do is just get up and be positive and a good person and take care of your little bubble. And that's what I've gotten really good at. You seem like a person that's very good at that. Don't watch the news. Don't give in to... I have quit watching the news. Yeah, right. Well, that's good to hear. I think it's all false. I...

You know, I don't know if there's any valid point, but I've been looking at lots of history. And one thing that popped up was they think two to 300 years ago, there was 13 families that organized amongst themselves that possibly restarted structures like the Rothschild, like money and other things. So there's a theory that there was, there's a theory that there's a reset.

Number one, there's a theory that these 13 families that came out of the reset organized together to organize society worldwide, how it would profit them. Not that was good for society, but that would profit them. Their family were in spots. They were all over in areas with one idea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that, you know, and you could say like,

There's probably been so many of those. And I think that's what you see with the elites. It's different families, different groups battling to get into that position, you know. And I mean, it's pretty obvious at this point that that's what the battle is going on. You know, it says you see Democrats and Republicans, but I think those are just names for different secret orders that might be wanting to get some power. You know what I mean?

I've got some people in here. Hey, guys, what's going on? So happy to catch this live. Thank you. I'm glad you're here. Chad, what's up? He said, that's a great documentary. Oh, there's a great documentary called The College Conspiracy. So that's

probably a good documentary to get into the college conspiracy. And it is a conspiracy. And look, listen, like I missed it because I was, you know, down the dark rabbit hole in life. It's not because I, I chose to not do it, but, and I wish I would have gone. Cause you do learn things. I mean, I've,

you know, I'm not a very good studier. I'm not a very good test taker. You know, that would have been something maybe I would have learned, but it doesn't get you to where they tell you it's supposed to get you a lot of the times. Of course, you have a ton of people out there that are happy with

with their, you know, what they went to school for and what their job is. And, but it's definitely a conspiracy, definitely conspiracy. And it puts you're in debt. Like, I mean, geez, you come out after four or five, six years and you're already whatever, 90 K, 60 K deep. Right. And that's sad though. It really is. Yeah. And you're just trying to work it off all your life. Well, it was about five years ago that talking to my older father, uh,

I said, think hard about all the colleges in America. Why do they, you could pull up Yale, Harvard, Brown, on down the line, Stanford, Berkeley, and a bunch in Texas like you are in. And you can find, say, the first buildings that was said to be built in

On those colleges, they look like a castle. Old world. Yeah. I've made plenty of videos on this. Yeah, and there's some that are just like...

out in the middle of a cornfield. I just did one on Illinois and it's Northern Illinois University. My mom went there. No way. Yes. We're making way too many connections. And after this, we've got some people in here finally. We'll do an introduction, but I want to show you this. You know what it looks like? Northern Illinois. Have you ever seen Northern Illinois University? Through your video.

Okay, okay, okay. So you saw it. Your video I saw. Isn't that crazy, dude? It's so freaking crazy. Let's see. Where is that? Well, anyways, we'll get going. People are already flooding the messages. So thank you all for being here, guys. This is going to be a good one today. Like I said, I met Jack through a comment that he left on one of my videos talking about his great-grandfather. We're going to get into that and so much more.

So thank you all for being here. And Jack, thank you for being here. He's got a lot of stories. I've heard a lot of them, but I know he's got a lot more that I haven't heard. And it's going to be very entertaining. And a lot of his stories point to our theories and they align with them. And, you know, it shows that there's some truth. Of course, we don't have truth.

you know signed paperwork to show everybody but this is this is what we need right this is uh these are the little nuggets of truth that we need that can take us somewhere else and really jack gave me his family information and then i took took it and found some more information and now we're talking about that together so we can go on to the next you know on to the next uh

stage of his family history. But Jack, please introduce yourself. You know, anything you want to say about yourself and and and then you can kind of get into your family history. A lot of these people are here because they saw those videos. So they know.

Well, the one thing I agreed to was to come on and say hi, because I know two or three people said, oh, yeah, Jack was just something you made up and posted on your own video. No, I, you know, I just never comment on people. I'm an old guy. I like listening and watching videos on YouTube. I love history.

The biggest thing is your, uh, yesterday you did a video with Chris, uh, old world exploration exploration. Yep. A couple of days ago. Yep. Yeah. He's fantastic. Chris is awesome, dude. He is so great. Yes. Shout out your two videos. Uh,

And then with you two getting together, you're a match that's made for each other to talk about the subject of older buildings and what's going on. Yeah. And that's the best way to put it. But yeah, I'm real. Thank you. I'm here. I'm real. I will give one bit of advice. Logan, wow. Wow.

I knew a little about my family and then you dug up the rest out of all kinds of records for days that you searched. Then I went to other family members and found out what I could dig more into, which we have done that. And get some confirmation. You got a lot of confirmation. Yeah. Okay, go ahead. And you started with,

and go all the way back to possibly 1850. And I'll just interject a little because you explained it before the video.

A little bit better than I did. Okay. Well, yeah. And just to kind of give a rundown of his comment, Jack left one of these comments that he left on my videos. And the first one was, hey, my great grandfather or your grandfather told you that his grandfather, right? So your great grandfather, is that right, JJ? Okay. So my grandfather told me about his father.

Okay, you're, yes, thank you. I get, you say that enough, you get confused where you're at. Told him about his father that he was a high-ranking Mason in New York and was sent, was trusted by his Masonic Lodge and

Two, go onto the Santa Fe Trail, which goes up from the northeast down to Santa Fe through the Midwest, and start a town. Start a town. And he did. And he went to Council Grove, Kansas. That's where, you know. Which is the name he came up with. He just found the town and then came up with the name. Yes.

There you go. And I've found, you know, I found his great grandfather and I found the gentleman before him, found his brother, found a lot of people within the family. And let's just go ahead and I'm going to pull up his father, great great grandfather. Jeez, that's going to be really hard to say, but.

Let me pull this up and you can kind of riff off of it. Just put, just say family. Okay. Yeah. Right. And that I verified through family members. That is my grandfather's father.

Okay. This is the man that the story goes that he was sent to Kansas to found a town, right? And what we're kind of finding out is that maybe it could have been a gentleman earlier, which would have been Jack. This would have been his father, right? John's father or his brother, Alan? Yeah.

Alan had a dry goods store next to the saddle store, right? That was his brother. So Augustus had the saddle store, I believe. And then Alan was even before that. So Clarence Crawley, this is after J.J. Crawley that we just showed.

I guess would be his son, one of his sons. Yeah. Okay. It says 60 years ago, his grandfather, Alan Crawley came to that old historic town of council Grove and thus the pioneers of the note Neo show Valley. So it says it right there that, uh,

a Crowley, Alan Crowley, was the pioneer of the Neosho Valley. And, you know, I'd love for you to kind of explain what you said, what you said about, you know, taking the Santa Fe Trail and picking your choice. Could you kind of get into that? That came up with some family members. And what they remember, they had the same assignment I did in high school,

you must talk to somebody in the 1800s. Well, our grandparents were born in 1890. My dad, 1930, myself, 1960. So, you know, it's one of those things that my grandmother and grandfather were well before 1900. Okay. So in interviewing for this history assignment in high school in the early 1970s, he said,

was in New York as a high-ranking Mason. Yes. That's all I got out of him. My dad was a high-ranking Mason in New York. Then through other family members, I found out that, yes, he was sent from New York to go somewhere in the Midwest, maybe Kansas, but from the 1830s to the 1850s, the word on the street was along the Santa Fe Trail,

Getting back to the Masonic Lodge, which was the biggest one in New York City in the East Coast, the word got back that along the Santa Fe Trail from the 1830s to the 1850s, there was several cities that were completely built out and nobody living there. Boom.

Not just Council Grove, Kansas. Yes. So this whole trail was built out. You know, that's exactly what he's saying. The whole trail was built out long before. Yes. Yeah. And so anyway, through, we're speculating 1850-ish to 1854-ish, they're traveling and somehow, some way they,

run across the little town. They go, we're going to all stop here. And here they named themselves Council Grove, Kansas. Then, as you saw, you pulled up a store from my great-grandfather, J.J. Crowley, the salary, and the next door, the dry goods store, and a granite building that was already there

And all my family members said, yes, we remember all this. But you got to think, to have that picture in the 1860s already, and a store, two stores being well established, I bet that was done in the 1850s.

Yeah. Not the 1860s. Most likely. See, if y'all see here, so they had a harness store, right? It says harness. Then you look down here, it says Miss J.J. Crawley's Saddlery. So, boom. It's got the name J.J. That's the man. That's the man we're talking about. John James Crawley, yes.

And then Augustus, the brother, Augustus had the grocery store. And you think about it. OK, if they were founding this town, you're going to have the grocery store and Saddlery. I mean, these people are coming in and out of this town on the Santa Fe Trail. Look in this photo. You got you got horse and buggy, three horse and buggies right there. You know, so a Saddlery, you're making some money. Right. Wouldn't you say?

Well, and look at that building. To me, that looks like that was the biggest and best building of the downtown of that town.

So they just, when they got there, they just took over the best buildings. You got it. So this photo shows Main Street, okay, on the Santa Fe Trail. So Main Street through Council Grove is the Santa Fe Trail. That's part of it. In historic Council Grove in the early 1900s, so this is way later, the

Storefronts pictured include the Racket Central Market, Miss J.J. Crowley's Saltery, the Brunswick Billard Parlor, and Mitchell and Loy are visible above other businesses. So, yeah, I mean, this road right here is part of the Santa Fe Trail, which I actually didn't connect that and read that up there. That's pretty incredible. That is pretty incredible. And I was told that their businesses then –

were on the Santa Fe Trail, so that makes sense that Main Street was part of the Santa Fe Trail. Yes. Okay. The neat thing about that that you dug up that proves my story, him and his brother being...

Mason Brothers and all that crap. And of course they brought people out from New York to start the town. So they didn't just one or two people move in. It was like a group that were sent there to start the town. Yes. You said 70 people or something like that? I was told

through my grandfather, there was anywhere from 60 to 100 people that left New York altogether. So there was safety in numbers. So when you had an old musket rifle, if you ran across the Indians, there were enough people that you could defend yourself because you're going into Indian country. He was very firm about that. They had enough people to where they could defend themselves if they ran into hostile Indians.

That tells me it was the early 1850s because you still had the Indian problem at that time period. And then they instantly had a town that they could move into. Now, I was told that my great-grandfather, my grandfather's father, was well-liked. I mean, yes, he had business in town and was one of the persons leading everybody to get there. He was so well-liked because he just...

the word on the street was he helped everybody. Well, here, let's help them move in. Let's do this. Let's do that. And he organized the town very well amongst everybody that initially came out from New York. So my grandfather told me that he was instrumental for years and everybody moving into the town. Let's get you a place to live. We got lots of places here for you. All built out of granite. We can move you in.

And everyone loved him because he was just so helpful and loving and feel welcomed into the town. Well, he was so well loved that, yes, he wasn't registered as the mayor. But in that town that they named from about 1850 on,

For 20 years, it wasn't a town, but he was considered the mayor of that area. The mayor, yeah, because he was the most liked person, and he was calling the shots. I mean, he's a Mason, so, you know, I mean, that makes sense. That makes sense, right? And I was going to pull up this. So this is a death certificate, you know, of different names.

in Council Grove in their secret orders. And this is the first thing I actually found. So I found J.J. Crawley, which is John James Crawley, the man we're talking about. He died the 26th of December, 1897. He was in the Oddfellows Lodge, number 43. And then A.S. Crawley is his brother,

Okay. He was an odd fellow. And I guess this is the Masonic lodge. I would believe, but you can also find this. Where is it? Here it is. So in my video, I showed y'all, they might have misspelt Crawley. Okay. So this is for the odd fellows lodge. And then this one's for the council Grove lodge, number 36. Okay. October 21st, 1862. So that's pretty far back. And this,

This says J.J. Crowley, but there's a ton of Crawleys in this.

Council Grove. So I think it was a mistype. It was just a... They forgot the W. So here it is. He's in the Lodge and he's in the International Oddfellows, which the Oddfellows is a whole other rabbit hole that's odd. It's odd, to say the least. But yeah, we've got some proof of this happening. We've got the proof of the story that I was told directly by my grandfather that, yeah...

Mason, New York, get out west, somewhere on the Santa Fe Trail, because there was multiple cities that nobody was living in that from 1830 to 1850 were reported back to New York and said, man, when we went down the trail, there were all these cities that were built out, all made out of, if you want to call it granite or you want to call it stone,

And no one's there. Yep. Now, that part makes me confused. I don't know why that is all. But then again, you and Chris are going over all these places, courthouses in the 1800s, schools, you name it, where they're all built out of very hard stone, whether it's marble, granite, or any other stone that's extremely difficult.

When you're living in a 12 foot by 12 foot wooden hut, but you're building magnificent. I'm pulling it up. I'm pulling up their courthouse like like this is what this is what we see, guys. Right. This is what we see. And this this is their courthouse in the 19th century. I don't have the date on me right now, but this is what they're talking about. Right. This is what they walked up to.

So my point of view is you walk up to this after leaving New York and traveling for a couple of months on horseback and you walk up to something like that. Nobody's living in it. You don't even know what to think. Yeah. You're like, whoa. That's mine. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

That's funny. But look at it. I mean, it's just like every old world courthouse. I mean, how many states have we seen that I talk about? Well, this was built in the 1870s. It took one year or two years. I mean, this is your classic old world. And then if you look

If you look at the other counties around that area. So this is this is Cottonwood Falls. You can see that fairly well. This one's a better photo. Look at this. All right. This is also very early 19th century built. These are the counties right around Council Grove. OK. Yeah. All together there. So here we go. Emporia. Look at this.

That verifies the story told to me by my grandfather where there was multiple cities along the Santa Fe Trail because he wasn't specifically told to go to Kansas. Just go to the Santa Fe Trail and follow it. Figure it out. Whatever you want to end up at, just all go together. The group of people that left New York. Yes. Go together and just settle it down.

Yeah. So do you think, I wonder if they were told that there's these buildings or they figure that out themselves? Like, I guess it kind of sounds like they discovered that, oh, this is built out. And instead of saying, but he was in the, he was in Masonic order. So maybe there was a little bit of whisper of, hey, you know, you can go get your own town and start it up, you know, get, you know what I mean? You would think that's probably what was whispered in his ear, right? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, they had to have known that's been, that's been the whole secret, right? It's a secret order. And I think that's part of the big secret. Yeah.

Yeah. So, and, um, so JJ, JJ Crawley, the gentleman we're talking about that was my grandfather's father, your grandfather's father. Thank you. Um, he was married to Alice Bell Curtis. Okay. Second marriage. Okay. There you go. So Alice Bell Curtis, let's pull up the family tree right here. Let me share the screen. And, uh,

So here we go. John James Crawley Jr. Right. That's my dad. That's your dad. I'm sorry. No, I am so sorry. That is my grandfather. That is your grandfather. Yes. Yes. OK, that there you go. So and then earlier on, John James Crawley Sr. Here's the man we're talking about. Eighteen forty five to eighteen ninety seven. OK. Yes. Go ahead.

That is my dad's grandfather. Your dad's grandfather and was married to Alice Bell Curtis, right? Correct. And she was a much younger woman. He was an older man, his second marriage, right? And then I kind of wanted you to go on about what ended up happening to Alice and where she went, where the kids went and all that.

The word on the street was early 18, late 1880s or 1890. His first wife had died and it was either left with three boys and a girl or four boys and a girl. Okay. After John James Crowley died, they dispersed and no one I was told ever lived in the town, direct lineage of mine. Most people went to Texas and,

Alice Bell Curtis grabbed her brand new baby, John James Crowley, grabbed the brand new baby and wanted a brand new start in life. Yeah. And in 1890, she was like 20 and he was like 50. Yeah.

But it was a second marriage. She wanted to be married when she married John James Crowley, Alice Bell Curtis, wanted to marry somebody prominent and famous. So they just got together. They had the one child and that was my grandfather. Alice Bell Curtis never remarried, moved to California and raised my grandfather. And she lived all the way till 1955 and

and then died of old age and, um, uh, never remarried. Yeah. And I wonder what story she went with, you know, like there's no telling what she knew and what we thought originally and what Jack thought was that they couldn't really find any footprints of them in council grove because she might've changed their name. Right. Think about founding this town or being with a man, marrying a man that founded a town. He's part of every order in the area. Um,

When you're leaving there, you're going to change your name. Like you don't want to have any connection to this town and what maybe took place there. Who knows? I'm not saying there's any like, you know, nefarious things that they did, but you know, it's, you don't, you might've not wanted to been tied to that name. So we thought that they changed. You are correct in one thing. Cause I talked to a family member very recently and said, Alice Bell Curtis went by Alice Curtis Lowe.

in California until she died, even though she married and her husband widowed her. Yes, correct.

Okay, so, yeah. She never went by Alice Crowley, even though sometimes she did, but everybody knew her as Alice Bell Curtis. Interesting. Okay, so that makes sense. It's kind of pointing to exactly what I'm saying. You're going to stay with the name you were born with and go on because you don't want any ties to a bad future.

feeling or situation that you had. Yes. Okay. So, and I'm going to get into some of, so John J. Crowley's brother, who is Augustus Crowley, who I just showed was the name above John J. J. Crowley, right? When I was showing you the Oddfellows, they were in the Oddfellows and the death certificate of when they died. So he had a son. The son was Clarence A. Crowley. So another Crowley born in

born in 1880 in Council Grove. And this man was an interesting one to find. So this is, this is, you know, generations after still having a lot of control. Okay. He was kind of helped run the town. You got it. And that's what I'm. Yes. So he, he was a, an attorney. Well, of course, right. Attorneys have a lot of stuff. Yeah.

Yep, and a judge. Yes, you got it. He was a prominent member of the legal and civic community, okay? And his Masonic and fraternal connections was, this is it. So he was a royal archmason, okay, chapter 60. He was a Knights Templar, people, which is, that's another level, I feel like, or, you know, it's up there. Very up there.

He was in the shrine. Okay. He was Isis Temple of the Mystic Shrine in Salina. And then it says other local lodge activities. So this man was, he had a lot of ties and this was generational. You know, this was still. I don't think you get that far up the ladder in a small town. Yeah, right. If the father and the brother weren't like the founders. Right.

Yes, right? Yeah, he was pretty much everything you need to be to have some control in that town. So yeah, when I found Clarence, I was like, oh, okay, it still was going. And I wonder, did your grandfather ever, did he get into any kind of secret societies or did he ever dabble in that area, do you know? No, he came out to California and every time he, because I said, well,

Grandpa interviewing him in the early 70s. Well, did you ever become a Mason or this or that? No, my mother would not let me join anything. Alice Bell Curtis. Well, that makes sense. He just worked hard all his life, got married, had three kids, and he was a hard worker all his life and never he never even went to church. Yeah, really? It never went to church, never did any just anything.

just worked hard and raised his kids. Interesting. Yeah. And so, you know, I have some questions in here that are really interesting questions, right? So K-U-S-A-E, Kuse, Kuse, Kuse. She said, she or he said, why would it take so many centuries to discover these buildings if America could

colonies had already been established for centuries. And again, like that's what we're told. It's been, you know, American colonies were established for centuries, but you know, I mean, it wasn't easy to get around. Right. I mean, Kansas from New York, like there's a lot of land in between there. Right. When you're going on horseback, like you,

I'm sure you could find stuff all the time that hadn't been found because you're on foot, you know, you're on foot going to different places, but it is a very interesting thing. And I think a lot of the history that would tell us that these buildings were here is

somehow has completely vanished i mean you know there's paper trails somewhere or you know you know what i mean like there's got to be some early settlers that discuss this and uh you do have some stories about about that and which we'll get into in a little bit but yeah what do you think about that wow that that opens up a monster conversation right yeah

I liked how you and Chris talked about it. You were very professional. Thank you. I like the evidence that there's you and everyone in your community. Look at the evidence. Hey, there's an incredible building in this town, in this town, in this town, that

How did that get built? But I go one step further. You in your video show these magnificent buildings of old world. Then there's another channel that's called Hidden Truth, Hidden Truth. And what he has done throughout the East Coast and a little bit inland is go to all these public buildings. And then he walks around the outside and goes, wow. Wow.

What a building. And it says it's built from 1880 to 1890, blah, blah, blah. How come the story with everything is...

1850 to 1900. Right in there. All of it. All of it. Right there. All of it. Yeah. Which means that's a lie in my book. Only me. Only me saying that. I think it's a lie. Next, he walks inside. That guy is awesome. Hidden truth, hidden truth. He is. You showed me some of his videos. He is. Go subscribe, guys. And then he has marble columns.

on the interior, and he proved that the marble on the flooring and the marble in the columns, he found buildings where that marble was from all over the world.

If you're just beginning a society and you can barely build a 10 foot by 10 foot wooden house with an odd house dug 10 feet behind your house to go to the bathroom in and you're building these amazing stone structures, but inside is more amazing than

Unbelievable marble flooring, marble, beautiful 60 foot tall columns. Yeah. Yeah. And it, okay. That type of thing. That's what blows me away. It's like, wait a minute.

The interior is more glorious than the exterior. Yeah, by a long shot in some of the things. And you're making me think of, you know, I have a video. Oh, it's actually the video that you commented on the very first time you commented on when I was talking about Iowa and their capital in Iowa is just, I mean, here, I'll pull up a picture, but yeah,

It was talking about, you know, building it in the 1870s and that there's 22 different types of granite from Europe and from Mexico and

Like 22 different types? Like what are you talking about? In the 1870s, they really cared that much. And listen, this is 24, 25 years after they became a state. Iowa becomes a state. Then 25 years later, they're going to build a capital of this scale. And with 22 different... Show the building and then see if you can find a picture of the inside. Oh, yeah. I studied that for three months and...

And if you can get detail inside of some photos, you will be blown away. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Look at just the outside of this thing. Now, look at that Capitol building. Look at the golden dome, right? The golden dome. Look at this. Okay, this is 25. I'm going to say it again. 25 years after they became a state, they decided to build a state Capitol. And this is what it is. Look at the inside, guys. Look at this.

Look at those stairs. I've never seen that picture. Wow. First of all, every ounce of construction on that building was the hardest format to do for horse and buggy people. Yeah, dude. Oh, look at this. Golly. This is phenomenal. Phenomenal. I mean, it's perfect. It's perfect. It's perfect, people. Look at this. Wow. Look at that. I mean, the interior of that.

blows my mind. It's not just that the exterior out of, if somehow it's cut granite or some type of cut hard stone that's probably as solid as granite, let's not worry about what the material was. It's built a very heavy type stone. And if you ask my opinion, that's cut so perfectly, it could be nicknamed granite.

laser cut. It could be. Yeah, it does. But there's been people that have gone up to some of these buildings and they can't find one chisel mark. So it's like, well,

I'm part of the crowd that says, I have no idea how they cut the stone, where they quarried it from, how they transported tens of thousands of pounds of each stone. Some on the foundation level are considered one to 200,000 pounds a piece. You can't carry that in a wooden axled box.

In any way back with with with with dirt roads to like it's not no it's just not going to happen. It ain't going to happen in a soft dirt road with no mud. It's not going to happen. No, no. So there's there's factors involved here in my mind. Last three years, I've dug into history so hard.

And I've been, I've got a group of people. I actually have a professor in Europe that I talk to nightly about all the old world buildings in France, Germany, and in that area. And we just go back and forth like, oh my God, why didn't we see this before? Yeah. Yeah. And like, so yeah,

It's great to have you on, Jack, because I think a lot of people, including myself, think of the older generations not seeing this, like never seeing it. And before we met, I actually had a conversation with my wife's grandfather, lovely man, he's just the best. And he was talking, so he saw my videos because my wife's mom follows me and loves it.

And so she showed her dad, you know, my wife's grandfather, and he kind of cornered me one day in the house. OK, and he started to say, you know, I really like your videos. And I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, no. Like he saw my, you know, like, you know, very man's man. He owned, you know, a tool shop, the workshop.

one of the only tool shops for a long time in our small hometown of Bay City. And, you know, just a man's man. So I didn't think that he would ever catch that. Well, it was the complete opposite. He said, listen, I went to Europe one time and, you know, we're going on tours to these different castles in which Europe's a whole different ballgame. Right. With this. But it's it's a good ballgame to start at.

And he said they were telling us about how these farmers and these, you know, people living in, you know, wooden shacks and then coming to work on this castle. He said, I didn't believe it one bit. He said, I didn't know. I didn't know what the answer was. The right answer was. But he said that when I started to hear some of these stories and looking at these castles that were around him and some of these buildings in Europe,

He said there's no way. And being, you know, a man's man and knowing how to use tools and knowing, you know, like he knows, he knows that that couldn't have ever happened. But a lot of people just kind of throw it in the back of their mind as a

You know, as we all do right on things that we don't really understand. But there's a lot more of, you know, my wife's grandfather and Jack's out there. So I'm kind of encouraging people to go to your grandparents, go to your parents, you know, go to your grandparents, friends and just bring it up, bring it up, you know, and see what they said. I could have said it better.

Yeah. Yeah. Just bring it up. It's amazing how the older people, even my dad never thought of some of these old buildings that he was around that they couldn't have just built it. Why not? They, they set the history is, Oh, they just, they threw this up in six years.

Right. Think of the logistics when you're starting with a one to 200,000 pound foundation block and then building on that these monster buildings. Oh, and the inside of them is at a monster height.

So, you know, you're looking at something that doesn't make sense for the average five to six foot person. 50 feet in the air. Yeah. And it's, you know, yeah, that's right. Exactly. Like the inside ceilings are 50 feet tall. Like, well, how did they, well, how did that work? How does that even work? Yeah. I'm just saying it.

It's just now starting to come out with the computer age and us asking one question. Then another question is, is directing itself. And another question like, wait a minute, this doesn't make sense. That don't fit. That don't fit. Chris. So when me and Chris were talking, we were, we were discussing like that,

How do we miss this? I always ask people when I'm interviewing, how have we missed this? And the majority of people and what I've thought is that there's some sort of veil that is falling down. There is some sort of connected consciousness there.

out here that we're all, you know, attuning to. We're all, you know, you know, and it's, it's the, I said it on his podcast, but it's the hundredth monkey effect, right? Once one person starts to figure out, you know, the truth, then another person, another person, well, when there's enough people figuring out the truth,

then it starts to really catch on, right? And that's what seems to be happening. I think we're all seeing with the right eyes right now. And it's really like a domino effect at this point. I looked into early American East Coast journals, and there's women and men that wrote things down, usually in the sleeve of their Bible. Anyway, there's a flood of these

In the 1900s, in the 1800s, and there's a bunch in the 1700s. When you get into the 1600s, these diaries of America and the hardships that they had coming to America are few and far between. You don't whip out a journal of a lady that was born in...

1655. You know what I mean? Yeah, right. You get 1700s. You get, you know what I mean? Yes, of course. There's a flood of journals from the 1700s. There is. They're there. Very few journals from the 1600s. Interesting. I've got a friend that I talked to about history and

And we are both a little far out there. We both have a theory that maybe America wasn't found. There's a stone in the Boston Harbor that's carved 1620.

Let me pull that up. Let me find it. There's a stone in Boston Harbor that's got a carving of 1620. Evidently, that stone carved 1620 was very important at the time. I speculate, and I'm the only one in my family that even thinks this. No one else does. That that's when they founded Boston.

That's when my other friend and I even believe that there was no such thing as Christopher Columbus. He was a complete made up story. Yeah, I can get on board with that.

I believe a little before that, they did, the English did come over, okay, and probably in the 1500s, but the first colony of people probably came over in 1620 to colonize the East Coast from the Boston area, Philadelphia area, all the way down to the Carolinas to just colonize it, okay?

And I think that's when it really got started. Not in the late 1400s or any of that. Let's call it the early 1600s. I think it was colonized starting to early 1600s on. Yeah, that would make sense. Why is there a stone that says 1620? That had to be of grave importance.

to somebody at that time period. It's still there. It's still there. Yeah. I think it is still there. No, it is. This is it's is it the Plymouth Rock? Is that we? Yeah. Plymouth Rock is a Boulder, Massachusetts. Why wasn't that carved 1492? Yeah, right. It was claimed to have been at the site where the Mayflower Pilgrims landed to found Plymouth Colony.

in December of 1620. Yeah, that's very interesting. I've never actually seen, I've heard of Plymouth Rock, but I haven't actually looked at what was on it. That's interesting. My only point is, history can kind of write itself. Why is there a date carved into it that someone took a lot of time to carve a granite rock

1620. So there was something very important about that exact date. Yeah. I wonder if that's like the transition. That's when, you know, the time and, you know, it seems like the let's say the early colonizers, the guys that, you know, LaSalle, Christopher Columbus, if they were real, it seems like, you know, they were coming over.

when they thought they could come over, like something happened, something big happened either over there or across the world, because right when, you know, the first person comes, right. They all come. It's like, it's something took off. Right. And it kind of seems like that would have been maybe, you know,

a little bit after a cataclysmic event or, you know, whatever it may be. But they all start to come at the same time. And I don't think it's just because they found America. I think it's because this was the right time to come, you know, for whatever reason it was. Absolutely. And I've done some history about the Spanish. I do think that the Spaniards in the 1500s

went over to South America. They were gathering gold and silver and, you know, and of course we hear about shipwrecks in the early 1700s of Spanish galleons, blah, blah, blah. In Key West, Florida, they've got a museum by Paul Fisher where a ship called a Tosha from 1715 was found with a whole bunch of gold and silver, but it was Spanish treasure. But that treasure was gathered in South America and,

brought to Puerto Rico, then from Puerto Rico, took off in a hurricane, took it out to Florida region and sunk it. Yes. And that was early 1700s. So in the 1600s, the Spaniards are gathering gold and silver, is what I think. So anyway, there's a lot of history from 1600 on. Now, you talk about...

Oh, okay. So you're saying that America was kind of founded early 1600s and it just kind of grew. And I say, yes, it really wasn't before 1600. There could be groups of people here and there. Yes, there was indigenous people. Absolutely. Yes. I think as far as the English go,

Early 1600s is when they really started pumping people over to colonize, I call the East Coast. Now, remember, there's stories around late 1500s, early 1600s, where the French went into Louisiana area and the French went into the Quebec area. And that's why they speak French there.

Yep. That's LaSalle. That's LaSalle that came down to Texas as well. Yes. Yeah. And so they were colonizing from, let's call it the early 1600s on as well. And they just didn't want to go into conflict with the English that were colonizing, say, the East Coast. So they were in LaSalle.

Canada region and then they were in the Louisiana region. Yeah, very specific regions, right? Very specific. Like it's they knew where to go. They didn't want to fight them. They needed every person to

and to colonize is my theory. So if you get into war and you kill everybody, well, now who's colonizing? Yeah, right. Who's going to take all these buildings here? Yeah. And I think that they walked right. My theory is on the East Coast, you look at the Old Town, Quebec, you look at Old Town, Louisiana, a flood of granite buildings. Yes. A flood of granite buildings.

And so you had a spot where they could just pull up to and just start inhabiting. Yep. It seems that way. Yeah. Instant housing. Now, where did all this get built? Okay. Yes. I did say earlier, oh, gosh, I think there was a millennial reign. I'm going to say that I don't know. You know, it just...

Hidden truth, hidden truth. That guy showed something that opened my eyes to one thing. When I looked at all the marble columns in all these capital buildings and government buildings, there was that vine at the very top of the marble columns. Okay. And he called it Carthanthium or I can't pronounce it.

And that was the vine that they wove to make Jesus's crown, because it has two-inch thorns on it, to place on his head and just push into so that he would bleed astronomically around his head. Our Lord and Savior did so much for us. Of course. Yeah. So the next theory is, wow, the vine that was made into a crown is

placed over jesus's head why is that specific vine at the very top of every marble column in every one of these what we call government buildings and or capital buildings say capitals okay yeah i've seen them i've seen them yeah i can put that vine at the top so then it

I talked to him, too, in a comment, and he said, yes, I feel that after Jesus was crucified, anywhere from 100 A.D. to 300, 400 A.D., there was possibly the millennial reign. And during that time period, when talking with Hidden Truth, Hidden Truth, he said something very interesting to me. You've got this vine around every marble column.

What's fascinating about that is that's what was on Jesus's head. So he speculated and I liked it where, okay, then these buildings were built after Jesus died. Now, why are they so grand? Well,

If an angel, I mean, millions of angels came down, cut granite, built them. If you're building throughout all over Europe, all over America, and you're building these capital type buildings, what we call cathedral type buildings. Yeah. And angels built them. I'm just saying if. Yeah, we love it. Keep going, baby. If.

His comment really drove home three years ago to me. If the vine that Christ was used as his crown to really hurt the heart, and that's on the top of every one of these pillars. So that builds like a time frame, like, well, this has to be after Jesus was crucified. They would know, yeah, that it happened. Yeah, right. So then you've got this possible thousand-year time frame.

where all these magnificent buildings, I call them capital buildings, cathedral-type buildings, blah, blah, blah. Well, they're built out of stone. The hardest construction that can possibly be built. I've got another person in Europe that had another take on it. He went through Europe. He lives in Belgium. He's a professor as well. But he went through Germany, Poland, Germany,

Every building that's like a cathedral or a government type building, when you looked under the ceiling, they have a full painting on the ceiling. Every one of them has an angel depiction on

Something to do with heaven. Something to do with religious. Yeah, and we see it all the time. I mean, it's so thick of the religious art, you know? Religious. Why would you? And it has to do with a little cherubim going up to an angel in the middle. And then normal people are around the edges in every one of the buildings.

He ran with that four years ago and started documenting all the buildings. And he found none of them were without a religious ceiling. That's so wild. When a government goes and conquers another nation, that's wild.

you know 1625 yeah we beat the out of them yeah right well you're proud of that so you would do a mural of i defeated i'm the great president leader dictator and i beat the out of my next door neighbor yeah i would paint that on a ceiling why was every beautiful ceiling

First of all, 60 feet in the air painted with an angel scene. Perfectly. Perfectly. Perfect, perfect, perfect. So we got talking for years now, four years now. And he goes, I've started taking pictures of everything. I've got 400 pictures on my phone. They're all of angelic scenes.

through every one of these cathedrals, whatever, just old world, I'm going to call them old world buildings. So if you extrapolate that and you say, could we have had a millennial reign from 200 AD to 1200 AD? Okay. Just what if? Yeah. Well, if you're talking about Jesus is controlling and evil is controlling,

Look at that. That's an angel scene. That has nothing to do with horse and buggy people talking about their hardship crossing the country. And it doesn't look like a horse and buggy people could even do that. Right. So exactly. I actually think with a group that I also talk with that Michelangelo and the others, yes, they were painters, but they didn't paint any of this. No, they didn't paint any of these ceilings. They were already there.

Now, I have another educated person who happens to be a professor of mathematics. And I said, hey, go through AI and find me an answer. He took one week. He did it in an educated way. I said, Adam and Eve to Noah. How many people were on the earth? Took him three days with AI. He came up with roughly 7 billion people. Go from Abraham to Jesus. How many people were on the earth?

roughly extrapolated after a couple of days of study, 7 billion people. Okay. Jesus. Okay. Now how many people are on earth right now? Yes. Yeah. Seven to 8 billion people. Ding, ding, ding. He's a professor of mathematics. And he said, Jack, how come I never thought of this? Yeah. I said, so just between Jesus and 1000 AD, uh,

If you already had 7 billion people on the earth, what would that 1,000-year time period look like? He said 82 billion people. That's if it was actually true statistics, right? Correct. Yes. If there was that many people during that time, like we're told, there's supposed to be 80-something billion people. 82 billion by 1,000 A.D.?

How many would then there be by the year 2000? And he said 470 billion people on earth. So he said, wait a minute.

So then he went backwards because he can take numbers. So he went numbers every decade to 1900. Then he did more homework to 1800, went to 1600, went to... By the time he came to 1200 AD, he came to 100 people on the earth. That's so wild.

So the math says that, wait a minute, there must have been, well, the math says there had to be some type of reset. In other words, Noah was a reset at the time of Jesus. One to 200 AD was a type of a reset. I don't,

a lot of people say, well, yeah, it was the millennial reign because then angels came down during this beautiful, peaceful time period, built all these buildings worldwide. Worldwide. And I was told the other day, well, why? Cause I'm an old man. I can't think. And they said, they said, think about this for, I'll give you a hint. My person in Europe told me simple as this. They were built because yes, uh,

There was a resurrection at the time. Just theorize. Okay, if there was a millennial reign, there was a resurrection. So the people were all from the time of Adam and Eve up until 100 AD after Jesus. Jesus then did an atoning sacrifice so he could resurrect everybody. Okay, but a lot of those people, if they wanted to, could have a family, could have kids, right?

And he said, I speculate that all the buildings that were built, the reason why they weren't built right away, they were built more towards the middle of the millennial reign and beyond, was to house the people that weren't of a resurrected body yet. Taken up, taken up. Yeah.

Okay, so they actually needed a physical place to live. They couldn't they couldn't fly like their parents Yeah, I used to be and then be right. Yeah, if is we walk they had to physically be somewhere So then these buildings and all that that's why it was all built that made sense to me But what made more sense was if you extrapolate today backwards 1200 AD you had 100 people on the earth and

Repopulated. Yeah, we don't have 400 billion today. And then Jesus to 1000 AD, we don't have 90 plus billion people on the earth.

Right. It's so obvious, too, like that, that there's the numbers alone. And what I mean, how has that not been actually thought? And what a great thought, Jack, for to tell this mathematician of, you know, like, let's let's shoot. Let's shoot here and try to figure this out. I mean, what a great thought. And why has that not been thought?

about. You know what I mean? It's just like my dad looking at all these old world buildings in Berkeley where he was raised and never thinking that, Oh, they didn't, they just built those in the 1800s. Yes. Yeah. And if you look at Berkeley, if you look at Berkeley's university, which I did a video on after we talked about it, those are old world. Yeah. Old world. And I went into every one of those. My dad got a degree from Berkeley before he became a pilot in the Navy. And he was,

And I was always fascinated as a little kid in the 1960s about those old world buildings in Berkeley. Like, wait a minute. And my dad said, oh, yeah, well, if you think this library here in Berkeley, the Bancroft Library, if you think this is something, you ought to see that there's two buildings at Stanford University that blow this one away.

At Stanford, really? Here's some of Berkeley's. Here's Bacon Hall, right? I've been inside Bacon Hall. It's more amazing inside. It's got granite, marble.

It's got marble flooring. It's beautiful. Look at this. Look at this rotunda inside. And then these are different levels that circle with books. This is like, you know, I mean, you see these libraries like Cincinnati's library that they had that was, of course, demolished. They are extravagant buildings. And if these are old world buildings, right, and maybe these are old world books that were originally there, where are those volumes? Where are those books?

You know what I mean? I think we have controllers that destroyed it all. Absolutely. I think we have absolute controllers that, I hate to say it, I personally think the controllers were governed by, that's the other thing. If there was a millennial reign, okay, and I'm speculating, I really don't want to state, oh, I know for sure, because I don't.

But if there was a millennial reign and all these capital type buildings and other granite type buildings were all built and they're built for the people that were now human that were living on the earth. Okay. Which is wonderful. Now let's go one step further. Okay. Um, uh, yeah,

They left us all these buildings. Now, what happened to all those people that were born during that millennial reign? They could have been, Jesus could have snapped his finger, and they could have been translated and then brought up with their parents. Of course. That could be a possibility. Could be a possibility. Yeah, I love it. Okay, then the other theory I talked to another actual preacher about

it kind of stated that, yeah, evil, let's call him Satan, Lucifer, and minions of his that were followers, the earth was opened up, and then boom, for a millennial reign, they were placed inside the earth. This is what got me thinking about this. Then the millennial reign ended, and guess what? The release happened.

So the evil spirits were allowed to come out of the prison. I heard it was down inside the earth. Underneath. Yeah. Who knows? But that would make sense, right? It would make sense. And Lucifer, Satan, I've heard they're the same person. I'm going to just call them evil. So head evil and all the little evils get to come out, right? Yeah. Okay. But they are allowed for the population that's

finishing the 7,000 year time period, the earth, whatever you want to call it, finishing the progression of earth. And of course, when we die, we'll find out what this is all about. Right. Because we don't, right. We'll find out what it's all about when we die. I can't wait to die. I'm going to have so many questions. You're going to go. I told you so. I told you. Yeah. But that would explain why there's so much evil in,

So much in high places. Governments, I believe, are governed by evil and a lot of things of those natures. And I'll just leave it at that. Now, if you look at the Statue of Liberty, it's got a shackle on his leg and it's got chain links growing up through history. And until I was 40 years old and I'm almost 70, I never knew that. Me neither.

I mean, the Statue of Liberty, I'm convinced, is a depiction of Satan, of Apollo, of Satan, of who would pick your choice. Yes, exactly. Exactly. It was Satan. He built a statue of himself because in the beginning, when he was a prominent angel, probably standing right next to the father, he was the light bearer.

And now he is the light bearer again. He's the one bringing, I guess, some truth to the twisted truth to the earth, you know? Right. And he's holding his light. He's holding his statue. Yeah. Okay. And you've got this chain around his ankle and a ball, but that chain is broken. It's broken. Yep. It's broken. Guess what? Now Satan's released. He's got full ability to influence everything.

I've done wrong, so much wrong in my life. I am trying to change it. I'm trying to be a better person. I'm trying to help where I can. I now donate all I can to my local food bank charity because I found out they're doing so much for homeless people now that they've never been able to do it before.

Time and money I donate because I want to. Because I believe we all need to make a difference to be better in this evil world that we live in. And it is. Yes. Go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead. It's up to us to help. Yeah. I saw that chain around.

The Statue of Liberty, which is, I feel, a statue of Lucifer, the light bearer. Okay, that's my take on it. So I'm like, whoa, that means he was already released. He's influencing why we have so much evil. You go back every 50 years for 500 years. Do you realize there was a major war every 20 years? I've heard that. Yes. Isn't that crazy? Okay.

Why? Yeah. Perpetual, perpetual war. Yes. Yeah. Mm hmm.

Perpetual.

looks very, I mean, the Texas state Capitol one looks like a dude, but it's supposed to be lady Liberty, but it looks like Apollo. It looks like, my take on that was the buildings were beautiful. There was a thousand year rain. Yes. Okay. Then Lucifer comes in. Well, he had a lot of time on his hands, 12, 13, 1400. Yeah. He got people where he influenced them to make this stuff.

And then everything that was kind of left over from what I call the millennial reign and all these buildings, Satan wanted to put his own touch on these buildings. Why on some of the buildings are there little tiny statues popping out of the granite of gargoyles, funny, goofy looking faces. Evil, evil stuff. Demons. Evil. I'm like, oh, yeah.

So once evil was released, he wanted to put his touch on everything. Yep. And that's what we see. We see the weirdest, weirdest gargoyles, the weirdest, you know, faces in the most random places. And they're on, I mean, they're on everything. Every old world building will have. And it's like, why do you have a gargoyle in the middle of, you know, Texas in a courthouse? Like what? You needed a gargoyle on that thing? Like really? Yeah.

And my friend in Belgium had a good point when I was talking about all of our conversation for the last five minutes. And he said, whoa.

Man, that just hits me hard. Like, okay, it was magnificent. And all these buildings, none of them had gargoyles on it or a depiction of Lucifer holding a light, this or that. That was added, let's say, 14, 15 and 1600s on. That was all added to all these buildings so that Lucifer was a, evil was always a counterfeit.

to do counterfeiting. So if you see something magnificent, why not put your face on it and your buddy's faces, which are demons and those type of things, put all those all over it to say, oh, it's mine. Yeah, of course. Because it's my world now. Yeah, it's mine. We're everywhere. My little season is five, six hundred years old.

That's my little season. I get to reign finally. Yeah. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. Then another friend of mine, we were discussing that and he was an atheist of all things. And I said the answer, and he agreed with me, but he said, but I don't believe in, it can't be the millennial reign. I don't believe in Jesus. I don't believe in the Bible. And I said, you're educated. Read Revelation. I want you to read it every night.

for one month straight. He came back at the end of the month and the first thing he said is, "I wrote every little thing down, then I put it all together, and I have determined that reading Revelations is not lineal.

Mm hmm. Yeah. The millennial reign is something different than the seven seals and the seven trumpets. Yeah. And those are at the end of time. Yes. And we hit tribulations sometime soon. We we will have seals. We will have trumpets. We'll have bold judgments. That's all coming. It happens. Yeah.

People think it has. Yeah. People say, you know, the first seal has not been opened yet. Yeah. OK. OK. But love it. He said revelation when I kept reading and reading and reading of the thousand year reign. That's not lineal in that. I take it to mean it was sometime going to happen.

Right after the time of Jesus. And then he pointed out, I started reading the New Testament where four of the prophets testified they wouldn't die before Jesus returned for the millennial reign. Four of them testified of it. And then he became a Christian. Wow. Complete atheist. Because of his studies said Jesus is real.

There was a millennial reign that he determined and we are all living to try to do the best we can through the evil that we live in. And he determined something I agree with that we're given challenges in life.

so that we can overcome them. I had the same problems in life that you had with a harsh life, drugs, alcohol, and now I'm trying to turn my life around finally. And so that I can try to be a better person.

And it's strictly because I do want to go to heaven. That's my take on life. I want to go and be with our Lord and Savior who did so much for us and or gave us the ability to come back if we believe in him. Yeah.

So that's my take. I really want to. Well, that's beautiful that you change that guy's mind. I mean, because, you know, we all know atheists and they don't they're not budging like they've got. He wasn't budging at all. No, they've got their minds made. No, the way I take Revelation, the thousand year reign already happened.

And now, yes, we will come into tribulation. We'll come into seals. We'll come into trumpets, bold judgments at the end. And at the very end of it, there's this thing called a great white throne judgment. And he said, that's real. And then that's at the end of it. And yes. And then at the end of all that, there's going to be a judgment and a new heaven and a new earth is how it ends. And that's what's going to happen. There's a millennial after a great white throne judgment, right?

There is no millennial reign after that. It's over. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It just says great wine-throwing judgment. Everybody's judged, even the people that followed evil and evil. And then judgment's all given. And then there's a brand-new heaven and a brand-new earth. And then we all partake of that. Yeah. Like you and I and all your followers.

we're hoping to all go to heaven and we're going to be part of that and that's wonderful yeah you think uh and also it could be like you know heaven might be here you know it might be on this planet i mean you know what i mean it could be it could be here yeah right i mean this could have been i don't know anything yeah no i love my friends have guided me down this path yes and i

the paintings on all the cathedrals everything in Europe yeah okay all that is like wait a minute there's a pattern here there's a pattern big time big time evidence yes and it says angels painted this yeah I'll leave it at that angels painted it it makes too much sense there's thousands of hundreds of thousands of

There's evidence, just physical evidence you can look at. One, the buildings. Two, the inside. So I worked for a major, I left California after my wife was killed in a car accident. I got a new job at the University of Utah. I work on heating and air. I work on chillers and boilers and just keep things going. Okay. 17 years ago, my parents both went into wheelchairs.

and could not get around, I took them in and they both died last year, pretty much in each other's arms. And I am a little too good. And so I took them to all their specialty doctor appointments. I got them the best care up at the University of Utah Hospital with specialists. And so I was happy. They died in their mid-90s. I was happy to get them into a very good place

Both my parents did not believe in Jesus. I started on YouTube watching little kid cartoon videos about the Bible. So I watched cartoon videos about Adam and Eve all the way through Jesus. That's great. And then I was able to memorize those little 15 minute lessons and give them to my parents. And both of them on their dying words, I said,

I said, mommy. And I said, daddy, at each day that they died, who are you going to ask for when you hold your guardian angels hand? And they both said Jesus. And upon dying, right as they died and took their last breath, they both raised their arms straight up to the ceiling. As if somebody was coming to grab them and take them up to heaven. I just got chills big time. Wow. That's so beautiful. That's beautiful.

And the day before that my dad died because I had crashed an entire Bible down his throat the last year of his life. Yeah, right. And now he finally believed in a guardian angel. He finally believed that he would go to heaven if he believed in our beautiful Lord and Savior. Okay. Yeah. The day before he died.

I walked in to ask, you know, if he would like some coffee or eggs in the morning. I walked in and he pointed straight to the corner of the ceilings.

And he said, look at the lady. And I looked, I didn't see anything. The most beautiful lady with white flowing hair. Oh my gosh. And she was in a white robe, but I only saw from her chest up and she was beautiful. Like 20 years old, the most beautiful woman I ever laid eyes on. Angelic, angelic. I said, dad, what did she say? She said,

And she's like, I couldn't understand why she was saying it. For an hour, she just kept looking at me and said, Johnny, are you ready? I said, Dad, your mom's the only one that ever called you Johnny. And I said, think of your mom, even though she was older in life. She was 55 years old when you graduated from high school. And I know she had white hair. But could that think of your mom as a teenager?

Yeah. Could that lady have possibly been your mom? Some resemblance. Yeah. And he just looked at me like his face turned white. He said that could have been easily my mother as a teenager. Wow.

Wow. And she was asking, Johnny, are you ready? Are you ready to come join her? To come join her? Yeah. Wow. And he just looked at her like, what are you talking about? Wow. And I said, Dad, whether it was your guardian angel or your mother, I said, you're going to be out of here within one or two days. Yeah. If a guardian angel is already asking, are you ready? There's your ticket. Your free agency, your free choice. Yeah.

I said, you're going to just kind of die, wake up after being dead, and you're just basically going to walk out of your body. She's going to be standing there, and she's going to take you up to heaven. Grab your hand and go. Grab your hand and go. But don't forget to ask her to see Jesus, and I beg you will.

That's beautiful. You got so many good stories about that and the people that you have, you know, turned over to, to, you know, Christ and to God is it's a beautiful thing, man. Yeah. Firmly believe.

You need to believe in your Lord and Savior. That's the number one thing. Jesus never said, well, he was on earth. You must go to church or you must. His disciples just walked around and talked about Jesus. Believe in Jesus. That's all they ever said.

Did y'all hear that? He just said, I don't go to church, but I believe in Jesus. That's how easy it is. You know, I mean, you don't it's not a bad thing if you don't attend church or if you don't believe in this system of religion, because it is a system and it's about all the things that the devil would make it about. Right.

money and, and, and all. So, yeah, I mean, you know, and I wouldn't call myself a, you know, a hundred percent a Christian either. And I don't even know what I am, but I know there's a God. I know there's a creator. I know a lot of the stories that you're talking about, there are angelic beings. This is, this place is a, we're in a spiritual war. This is what it is. Like we are in a spiritual war. So all of that connects. You don't have to, what I got, I'm such a, a,

You know, I think a little too deep about things and I get a little, you know, like two in the weeds, two in the weeds. And I definitely did on on religion and stuff. But if it feels right for you, if you feel right and you're a good person day in and day out, like Jack here, like how I think I am, then you're on the right track. That's as simple as it is. If you know that there's a creator, you know, and all of that packaged into one, you're doing the right thing.

I used to kick myself so much for not reading the Bible every day or going to church because that's what we're told we need to do in order to transcend, I guess you could say. But that isn't it. That's part of the system that we're in that makes us think we need to do that. If you feel in your gut, you know that gut feeling, you feel like you're doing right in life, then you're doing right. Just keep up waking up and doing what you're doing.

Yeah, I agree. Yeah. So now let's talk about one little thing that is odd. My dad was born in a home in 1930. And in the 60s and 70s, I used to go to that home because my grandparents lived there. And

They bought it in, my grandparents bought it in before World War I and around 1915. And they supposedly bought it from an architect that designed in the late 1800s, Victorian style homes. And the home was built like in 1880. They bought the home in Berkeley in 1915, blah, blah, blah. There was this cute little iron railing around the house.

And before my dad died, he not only talked to him about it, but he even said, you just blew my mind. That's the home right there. Okay. It's hard to see, but there is an iron railing. Well, there's rail right here that goes around. That's the railing. Now. Yeah. Right. Okay. No, go the other way. Go the other way. And right there is a gate, an iron gate that,

That you open and walk to the front door. Look at this palm tree, guys. Like, look at that thing. But yes. Okay, sorry. Keep in mind, a hundred-year-old palm tree is still only a foot round. And that palm tree is about five feet round. So that palm tree was big.

Not planted in 1880. It was planted hundreds of years before. Many more years. Yes, I agree. Okay, anyway. So as a little child, I opened and closed that gate always. And it had iron hinge with an iron little round disc that went over it. Yeah, right. No, just a block and a loop. So a point and a little loop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got you. High and low.

From the time of my early 1960s to about the early 1970s, before 1970, I said to my dad, Dad, I have opened and closed this all my life. It has never squeaked. Yeah.

This iron has never squeaked. Who's heard of that? Who's heard of that? 1880s, this house was built, right? You said 1880s? I'm sure the gate was soon after. Yeah, never squeaked. Never squeaked. Keep going. And my dad said, I was born here in this home, in the living room. And I also went all the way through school here in Berkeley. And I've gone in and out of that gate a million times. And I have never heard it squeak either.

Interesting. So then before he died, I talked about it because I was starting to get into all these old buildings. And he said, wow, I never thought about this subject. But he said, you know, I wonder if the house I was born in is from like way back.

You know, it would. And he said, because it all has to do with that iron gate. It's been sounds pristine still. Right. It just. No. Yeah. No, no, no. Like iron on iron for years being in the weather, the rain. And there's no coating on it. There's no paint, no coating. Right.

I mean, look at it. Look at it in this picture, though. I mean, it still is very pristine. I mean, it's got all the shapes you see down here on the bars. Like, it's got all the shapes are still there. It looks older, but not like it's 100 years old, however much, you know what I mean? Yeah, this is...

Oh, yeah. And then you look at the house, and this looks like your typical old world house that we see, you know, two-story house in early, early cities. This is 1880 California, you guys, in Berkeley. Like, this shouldn't be here that early. I mean, you know, I'm sure a couple, but, I mean, this whole house says old world all over it, right? Yeah.

Exactly. Yeah. And so you think this iron maybe was, you know, from the previous people that that actually made that? You know, I'm just going to say as the little kid, I asked my dad. And then as he's a year away from dying, I asked him again. I said, 90 years you've been going in and out of that gate. Yeah.

And it never squeaked. What's the deal? And he said, and my dad told me, you just blew my mind because that opens up a can of worms. How, when two things are raw iron put together, but yet they never grind, they never rust and they never squeak.

What type of iron is it? How does that work? Okay, enough of that. Go on. Well, but we've seen, you've seen these types of houses and you've seen these types of gates and stuff. I mean, this house is old. That's an old, old, old house. It doesn't look like it's, you know, I mean, it looks maybe 40, 50 years old, but it doesn't look as old as it is supposed to be. And certainly the gate is,

And I mean, we see a lot of these. I just talked about on a previous video recently I did of, have you ever seen Mark Hopkins? His house in San Francisco. It's insane. Let me pull it up. Yeah. No, it is. It is. And it's, it's massive. And you know, Mark Hopkins built that house, but he died before he could even get in it. It's one of those stories, right? San Francisco. I don't know how relevant this is, but.

there's a story that, okay, 1849, California, there was a gold rush. And so people are rushing to California. They're rushing to the Sierra Nevadas to go into all the rivers and hunt for gold. Okay. But yet as they're coming into the

like the port of San Francisco by ship and then they're trying to go pan for gold. Everybody had gold fever. So to say that all these buildings are built from 1850 to 1890 when everybody had gold fever,

that was rushing up to the Sierra Nevada mountains to hunt for gold. And there was a story that my dad told me years ago that, yes, there's a California state capital in Sacramento, California. I think it's still the capital of California. It is. Now, that's a tiny capital. It's only a million square feet. Now, if you pull up...

If you pull up, is that Sacramento? Yeah. And listen, this was built in the 1870s as well, people. Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah, right, right. I'm going to say 6 to 700 A.D. is what I'm going to say. Yeah, right. Now, pull up San Francisco City Hall. Oh, yeah, I know. Man. And that's 3 million square feet.

So I heard that there was a letter that went back to Washington, D.C. that said, we've got a better Capitol building in downtown San Francisco. Yes, you do. And where do you want the Capitol of California to be? Oh, well, the gold is closest to Sacramento. So let's make that the Capitol. Because the president at the time did not have any idea how grand the

This Capitol type building was in San Francisco. Granite and marble. And they're supposedly built that for the Gold Rush people. It's so crazy. And this Gold Rush. Look at the marble flooring. I know. I know. This is a small piece of it, too. I mean, this is just a tiny spot. And I mean, look at the entrance.

This is a machine, guys. This was built not for architectural style. This was a machine. There was a purpose for that thing. I think it was to bring in free energy of power. No doubt.

And then I think it spread it out to all the other buildings. I think what we call cathedral type buildings, this brought in the energy from the atmosphere and let's call it electricity. And I think that energy was transferred. I think the reason why there was wings on all these Capitol buildings was there was big antennas that the middle portion was the power was brought into the middle portion to

distributed to the outer portions than that wirelessly distributed to what we call the cathedral buildings yes and i think they were called vibrational type buildings uh now the purpose of it all i i don't know i yeah i don't i don't know anything i yeah really same same we don't but man this is sure fun to talk about isn't it but the evidence is there

Yeah. I mean, look at this. Look at this, guys. I mean, this is just insane. You tell me, everybody that's coming into town is excited to get up to the gold rush.

So you don't have any workers in that town and yet you're building this? Yeah. It's no way. The evidence says there's a lot more to this story than we're being told. And you and Chris on your last video just started touching on an absolute truth of mine that I believe in that

Hey, look at these buildings. They're incredible. But they're even more incredible inside. Yes. Yes. Polished marble. No power tools. How did they polish and cut the marble so perfectly? Oh, another thing. I was studying about staircases. Yeah.

They're hard to build. But how do you build a solid marble staircase with solid marble railing and also curves? Curves. Yeah, the curve. Yeah. Yeah. And you have no power tools to do it. So the construction inside of Capitol and Cathedral buildings that we are calling those, what blows my mind is that.

The amount of craftsmanship it took to build the inside of them was five times greater than the outside. Easily. Yet the outside was something...

that the time period couldn't have produced. No, it's every inch of these buildings. Every single inch of these buildings is perfection. I mean, this city hall in San Francisco, guys, it's just like, I'll only think now I would only need to see one of these buildings to go. Oh. And I think there's a lot more people that are actually thinking about it. You know, I mean, you know, just the, the America's Capitol, you know, I mean, I,

Just that alone, you can look at one of these buildings and go, okay, that doesn't make sense at all. There's no way it does. And thank you for keep, you know, bringing up Chris that I really liked that podcast and, and it's, it's six 30. So I'm at six 34. I'm going to have to let you go, but listen guys,

We are going to be doing this a whole lot more. Obviously, Jack is the man. I told y'all, I told y'all Jack's the man. We have more stories that we're going to get into. And this is what happened on our conversation on our phone is we just went from one to the other and he had more and he has a whole lot more and he lives. Do you mind where I say that you live? I live in Salt Lake City, Utah. And I've got a story on our next conversation. I have a story about,

That will blow the internet apart. Yes. Yes, it will. I've heard it. I've heard it. Yeah. My son that's an accountant, he said, there'll be over 1 million reposts when I tell the story.

I believe it and I'm honored that it's on the Luminary Lighthouse, Jack. You have certainly changed my life already. And my channel, I mean, I get asked about you all the time. So I had a lot of people in here off and on, in and out, just to listen to this. But watch the views go up on the video on YouTube. I mean, people are really going to be interested in this.

And I'll keep y'all in touch on everything, you know, when we do it again, but it's going to be soon. Like it'll be very soon. We're going to get on part two on this. Jack, what else you want to say just to kind of wrap it up? Anything else? I'm just a normal guy. You know, it's about 10 years now that I've been diving into, I call it old world. I call it old buildings. I hooked up with a guy in Europe who,

10 years ago was interested in it. Yeah. And he went with it. We went with it. Then we started talking about exteriors of all these buildings in Europe, the United States. Then we started talking about the interiors. Then we got into the paintings on the ceilings. Yeah. And we just kept going further and further down the rabbit hole going. This all adds up to a prior civilization. Yeah.

Not something a horse and buggy civilization built. No. Worldwide. Worldwide. Worldwide. Absolutely. I'm not. Yeah. I'm not. No, it's worldwide. It is. Yeah. And I believe evil runs the world. I think it's good people like us that...

try to keep it sane but i i believe every leadership of every country is some form kind of guided by evil and and that's why we have so damn many wars which we shouldn't have i know it's not even our choice it's not even our choice nobody we don't even make a choice for it to happen or not yeah evil's controlling everything yeah

Yeah, of course. And it's so blatant. And now, you know, they used to kind of hide it a little better, but now it's just, I think everybody's so used to it. The symbolism, you know, the music, all of it has just gotten to a high

height of in your face that we've never seen before. But yes, you just said it. People like you, Jack, people in the chat that watch this video. I mean, these are the people we need on our team. And we can all relate because I guarantee it. We can get some stories from these viewers here that they have gone through some dark, dark times.

but they're on the other side of it. They're on the other side of it, and they were able to catch every lesson that hit them in the face. It's when you get those lessons and they just keep flying by you, flying by you. You're missing every lesson that you should have got, but you finally caught one, and then you catch another one and another one, and you take it in, and you just...

Take a deep breath and you think for yourself. You start it just everything starts to roll. And clearly, clearly, Jack has done that in his life. And just a good man. And I appreciate you, Jack. And we'll we'll we'll keep in touch with the audience. And we're going to do this again. And please stay on. I'm going to end the I'm going to end the chat. But you can stay on. Stay on the line. Just remember, the next video we do.

I promised to just talk about the one subject about Salt Lake City. Yes. And my son, who's highly educated, said, if you don't get a million reposts from what you're going to say, he would be shocked.

Yep. I'm going to be shocked too. I I'm, I'm really excited for that and I'm going to clip the hell out of it. Believe that. Yeah. We're going to, we're going to have a lot of clips of Jack coming up. We're going to have a lot of clips of Jack just on this one. So, so be ready for that guys. And thank y'all again. What an amazing episode. There'll be many more ahead. And your shorts are amazing. I love them. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right, guys, y'all have.