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The Global Aesthetics of the Catholic Imagination: Critical Reception of the Catholic Imagination

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Summary

This lecture uncovers a submerged, marginalized lineage of 20th-century and contemporary Catholic women poets, demonstrating how their work challenges a male-dominated literary canon and offers a radical, kenotic alternative to secular capitalist logic.

By shifting focus from dogmatic, male-centric narratives to an apophatic, vernacular, and emotionally unified poetic vision, we recover an existential vocabulary of participation that resists modern demands for absolute cognitive transparency and capital-driven metrics.

Section summaries

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Introduction: The Submerged Tradition of Catholic Women Poets

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The speakers introduce their collaborative dialogue focusing on a critically neglected tradition of Catholic poetry written by women. Mark Knight explains he will analyze early to mid-20th-century poetry from his Scottish national context, highlighting how these writers operate within a global grammar of Catholic devotion. Emma Mason will follow by exploring how contemporary female poets utilize aesthetics of presence, absence, perception, and contemplation. The section establishes that while male canonical figures dominate the discourse, women writers offer radical, untested creative perspectives.

  • Catholic creative writing is historically framed around a highly visible, male-centric canon.
  • The panel aims to construct a dialogue between historical Scottish and contemporary global female Catholic poets.
  • The aesthetic focus of the presentation centers on presence, absence, and non-calculative contemplation.

It sets up the structure of the lecture but does not yet delve into the core textual analyses.

2:00-8:00

The Male Bias of the Catholic Literary Canon

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This section examines how standard critical works and popular studies over the last 40 years have reinforced a male-dominated narrative of the Catholic Literary Revival. Using covers of books by Joseph Pearce, Thomas Woodman, and Richard Griffiths, the speaker notes how authors like Evelyn Waugh, Graham Greene, G.K. Chesterton, and Hilaire Belloc are constantly foregrounded. Even when brilliant female writers like Alice Thomas Ellis or Elizabeth Jennings are pictured, they receive scant attention in the actual text. This commercial and academic bias has kept a vast body of female creative writing critically submerged.

  • Publishers routinely use familiar male faces (like Evelyn Waugh) on book covers for marketing, sidelining female authors.
  • Elizabeth Jennings, despite being immensely loved, gets minimal academic coverage in standard texts on Catholic literature.
  • A new series by the Catholic University of America Press is actively working to bring out-of-print Catholic women writers back to public attention.

It exposes the institutional and commercial biases that have shaped the Catholic literary canon.

8:00-13:00

Muriel Spark: The Cosmopolitan Poeta

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The speaker analyzes Muriel Spark, a writer of mixed Jewish-Anglican heritage who converted to Catholicism and identified primarily as a poet ('poeta'), despite being famous for her 22 novels. While critics often ignore her Scottish and spiritual background in favor of general English literary categorization, Spark's poetry reveals a deep engagement with the sacred. Examining her poem 'Africa'—which secular critics traditionally reduce to a simple romantic love poem—the speaker demonstrates how Spark uses vast geography and lush landscapes as a sacramental love song to the Divine Creator.

  • Muriel Spark explicitly chose the word 'poeta' (poet in Italian) for her gravestone, highlighting her primary creative identity.
  • Her famous phrase 'The Transfiguration of the commonplace' serves as a key definition of Catholic poetic and fictional alchemy.
  • Her poem 'Africa' is a theological exploration of divine, sacramental love rather than a basic secular romance.

It provides a brilliant hermeneutical reinterpretation of a famous author's overlooked poetic work.

13:00-17:00

Scottish Vernacular and Immanent Mysteries

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The lecture explores two highly neglected Scottish vernacular poets: Anne Scott-Moncrieff and Jessie Annie Anderson. Both were converts who deliberately rejected the cultural hegemony of standard English by writing in historical Scots. Through analyzing Scott-Moncrieff's poem 'Darge' and Anderson's 'At Sweet Mary's Shrine,' the speaker demonstrates how they grounded transcendent Catholic mysteries—such as the Eucharist and the comforting intercession of the Virgin Mary—in local Scottish rivers, fields, and dialect, making the Divine feel close, tender, and blood-related.

  • Writing in Scots vernacular was a deliberate political and modernist attempt to resist English cultural imperialism.
  • Anne Scott-Moncrieff's poetry uses the Scots concept of being 'sib' (blood-tied) to describe humanity's intimate relationship with Christ.
  • Jessie Annie Anderson's Marian poems merge the local geography of Northeast Scotland with universal themes of grief and spiritual consolation.

It highlights the unique intersection of nationalist linguistics, modernism, and localized spiritual immanence.

17:00-21:00

The Emotional-Intellectual Continuum & Academic Suspicion

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Emma Mason takes over the presentation, reflecting on how secular academic institutions are historically suspicious of Christian women writers, often reducing them to naive ambassadors of conservative agendas. She highlights how secular editors like Michael Schmidt intentionally stripped religious elements out of Elizabeth Jennings' anthologies to improve sales. Mason argues that Catholic women poets reject the artificial separation of intellect and emotion, viewing art, passion, and spiritual compassion as an integrated, fluid continuum.

  • Secular academia often dismisses religious women's writing as anti-intellectual or overly sentimental.
  • Publishers have actively censored religious themes from female poets to fit secular, mainstream market demands.
  • Jennings' poem on Michelangelo's Pieta illustrates Mary as a poet-figure who seamlessly unites creative art with profound, painful compassion.

It diagnoses the ideological friction between secular academia and the holistic intellectual-emotional approach of religious women.

21:00-25:00

Rejecting Secular Mastery through Divine Darkness

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Mason lists several global contemporary poets (such as Fanny Howe, Anne Carson, and Sally Read) who collectively reject the modern, capitalist obsession with 'universal explanatory mastery.' Instead of valuing only what can be calculated, quantified, or monetized, these poets seek out non-measurable forms of awareness. Drawing on the theological concept of apophatic darkness—similar to Moses entering the thick cloud on Mount Sinai—they use poetry not to grab or master God, but to search for Him within a generative, protective darkness.

  • Contemporary Catholic women poets resist the instrumental, technological drive to explain away the mystical.
  • Apophatic theology, or finding God in 'thick darkness,' serves as a primary creative refuge for these writers.
  • Secular criticism remains preoccupied with binary questions of belief, ignoring the deeper phenomenological process of artistic creation.

This section connects directly to continental critiques of late capitalism and apophatic theological traditions.

25:00-29:00

Kenosis and the Strange Light of Holy Saturday

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The speaker argues that modern individuals are trapped in hyper-self-awareness and anxiety, acting like 'faulty radios' blocked by the white noise of capital. Catholic women's poetry uses unique rhythms and silence to offer a form of 'kenosis'—a self-emptying that allows readers to quiet their egos. This is illustrated through Roisin Kelly's 'Easter' and Sally Read's 'Holy Saturday,' where the horror of the crucifixion and the waiting period before resurrection are met with a strange, unfamiliar light that disrupts normal, comfortable routines.

  • Late capitalism creates a mental health crisis of over-individuation, which poetic kenosis can help alleviate.
  • Sally Read's 'Holy Saturday' depicts Christ's death as bringing an unfamiliar light that demands patience and prevents a simple return to the past.
  • The pauses and cadences in these poems demand an active slowing down, transforming reading into a contemplative practice.

It offers a rich analysis of how poetic time and structure act as an antidote to modern capitalistic anxiety.

29:00-32:00

The Metaphysics of Participation and Weakness Strongly

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In the final section, Mason analyzes the poetry of Maria Apichella. She demonstrates how Apichella finds God in everyday, communal actions—sharing salt, cigarettes, and local directions. These mundane connections become a 'metaphysics of participation' and a covenant of friendship. By closing with Apichella's phrase 'weakness strongly,' Mason explains how these poets dismantle traditional binary oppositions (light/dark, strong/weak, intellect/emotion), resulting in a non-dualistic, relational experience where self-emptying leads to divine fulfillment.

  • Maria Apichella's poetry uses everyday, informal interactions (like sharing cigarettes) as sacred covenants of friendship.
  • Without a divine framework, human community can easily degenerate into isolated, defensive self-definitions.
  • The concept of 'weakness strongly' models a non-dualistic spiritual state where vulnerability becomes a site of ultimate divine strength.

It beautifully synthesizes the entire lecture's themes of non-dualism, community, and relational theology.

Key points

  • Subversion of the Male-Centric Canon — Standard academic and commercial histories of the Catholic Literary Revival systematically privilege a male triumvirate (Waugh, Greene, Chesterton), thereby marginalizing female writers such as Elizabeth Jennings and Alice Thomas Ellis to minor footnotes.
  • Vernacular Sacramentalism as Spiritual Resistance — Scottish modernist poets like Anne Scott-Moncrieff and Jessie Annie Anderson utilized historical Scots vernacular to ground sublime Eucharistic and Marian mysteries in immediate, localized, and immanent realities.
  • Apophatic Darkness vs. Secular Mastery — Contemporary Catholic women poets reject the 'secularized scramble for universal explanatory mastery'—the late capitalist drive to colonize, calculate, and litigate all human experience—by dwelling instead in a generative, mystical divine darkness.
  • Poetic Reading as Kenotic Self-Emptying — Using deliberate rhythms, silence, and rhythmic pauses, women's poetry invites the reader to step away from egoistic, hyper-individualistic anxieties and practice kenosis (the voluntary emptying of the self).
the Transfiguration of the commonplace... a very pithy summation of the work of Catholic fiction and poetry. Mark Knight
the making of the poem is a search for God. Emma Mason

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good morning oh there we are

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good morning everyone I hope you can

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hear me

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yeah

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it's lovely to see all of you and to

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open the second day of our wonderful

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conference with a paper on Catholic

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women and poetry our paper this morning

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is really going to be in two parts and

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it's going to form something of a

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dialogue

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today Emma Mason and I will both be

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speaking about a neglected and actually

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I think submerged tradition of Catholic

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poetry by women and with me speaking

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first I'll be talking about poetry from

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my own National and cultural context in

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Scotland within a kind of global grammar

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of Catholic devotion and giving brief

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examples of poetry mostly from the early

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to mid 20th century and then after that

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Emma is going to be speaking about

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contemporary poetry by women poets whose

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Aesthetics manifest presence absence

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perception and contemplation

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and once we're finished we'd be very

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very glad to carry on the conversation

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with you and to take questions and talk

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more about your response to what we've

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set out here

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so in many ways a conference paper on

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Catholic women poets might not seem to

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be at least at first especially radical

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or To Tread particularly fresh ground

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however writing and especially poetry by

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Catholic women and from a range of

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cultural contexts has really yet to

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receive the kind of sustained critical

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attention received by the best known

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canonical figures of Catholic creative

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writing and those figures nearly always

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tend to be men

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for example if we were to look up the

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Catholic literary Revival

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that themed period of writing in England

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and France broadly between the mid 19th

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to 20th centuries and we had a look on

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Wikipedia we would find the leading

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exponents of this movement represented

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in the photograph above me whoops I want

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I've gone one too far

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there we go

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that's them

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so here we have George Bernard Shaw

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Hillier Bellic and UK Chesterton all

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looking deep in thought and very very

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serious man dressed in black and of

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course the standard representation of

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this movement in Britain and France as

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predominantly male isn't confined only

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to Wikipedia

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so you had a sneak preview a minute ago

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but here are uh some covers of some

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popular and accessible studies of

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Catholic fiction published in roughly

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the last 40 years on the left we have

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Joseph Pierce's study literally converts

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spiritual inspiration in an age of

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disbelief or unbelief and it's cover

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displaced photographs going clockwise of

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Oscar Wilde

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Hillary bellock again George Bernard

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Shaw who wasn't actually a Catholic

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convert

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and the young Evelyn wall

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and it should be said that alongside a

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photo of GK Chesterton on the back cover

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of this book there's also an image of

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the Catholic English crime writer

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Dorothy Sayers and in another edition of

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the book Edith sitwell features on the

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front cover again with three male

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writers but the overwhelming impression

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here is that the Canon is male centered

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the book in the middle of the slide is

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the important wide-ranging and

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groundbreaking study faithful fictions

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the Catholic novel in British literature

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by Thomas Woodman and this is a really

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important book and for me one of its

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great strengths is that it recognizes

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that British Catholic literature isn't

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homogeneous Woodman explores the work of

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writers from across Britain diligently

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and with a very keen eye always aware of

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historical and cultural nuances at work

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in his writing in their writing and on

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this cover we see a more mature Evelyn

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War than there was on the last cover

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and we also see a Muriel spark a woman

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and then of course Graham green and

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these are three writers that Sparks

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biographer Martin Stannard called a

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grand triumvirate of Catholic convert

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novelists in the 20th century and Below

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them in the final photograph is their

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literary inheritor and actually a very

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fine critic of green David Lodge

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the novelist

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and then on the right hand side the

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final image on the slide you'll see the

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cover of Richard Griffith's 2010 study

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the pen and the cross Catholicism and

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English literature 1850 to 2000 so The

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Usual Suspects are depicted in some

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rather nice line drawings here we've got

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Cardinal Newman possibly Maurice bearing

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you can correct me if I'm wrong

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um David Lodge again Muriel spark once

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more and of course Graham green and then

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in the foreground I'm very pleased to

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see that we have Anna haycraft who wrote

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Under the pen name Alice Thomas Ellis

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and she was a writer of both Welsh and

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Finnish Heritage so she

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um is not uncomplicatedly a part of

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English literature as the book's title

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suggests and then our final writer

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um in the foreground in Repose is Evelyn

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War again so he's he appears on all

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three covers and he kind of wins so

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disappointingly despite being on the

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cover on a haycraft or Alice Thomas

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Ellis

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isn't really discussed at length in this

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book at most she she Garners a couple of

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paragraphs

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and the great English Catholic poet

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Elizabeth Jennings who I know that Emma

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is going to discuss today isn't there on

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the cover and she merits only a couple

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of paragraphs in the book too despite

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writing so evocatively about Rome it's

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worth reading her while we're here

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actually and being described by her

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publisher Michael Schmidt as the most

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unconditionally loved poet of her

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generation so despite that she receives

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very scant attention in the book

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now it's undoubtedly the case that

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Publishers and not authors have the

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final say about the covers of books and

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there is often of course a commercial

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element to this critical books on

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writers like war and green are still

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very very much in demand and so it makes

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good sense from a marketing perspective

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to show their likenesses on the front

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cover of these multi-author studies

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and I don't show you these covers in

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order to condemn the authors of these

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works and for my own books cover I have

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a photograph of a dedication of the

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crucifix on the orkney islands off the

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North Coast of Scotland and this image

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shows an almost entirely male

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congregation

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and in tracing a history of Scottish

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Catholic writing in my past work I focus

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predominantly on men so I'm Not Innocent

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of the charge of foregrounding a

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tradition of male Catholic writers

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but my intention in displaying these

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covers today

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is to propose that there is a critically

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submerged body of work by Catholic women

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writers especially Catholic women poets

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which is yet to receive proper attention

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uncovering this work and bringing it to

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light in criticism and in brand new

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editions represents something of a sea

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change in attitudes towards writing by

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Catholic women and indeed the new

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Catholic University of America press

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series Catholic women writers edited by

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Bonnie Lander Johnson and Julia metzaros

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is leading the charge in bringing out of

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print works by Catholic women back into

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publication

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now let me just turn to

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the work of some Catholic women

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here we go whose work I'm currently

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reading and working on and who I believe

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are part of an untold story of Catholic

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creative writing in the 20th century

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you'll have noticed that there is one

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woman who appears on the cover of two of

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the books that have been on the slides

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this morning already and that's Muriel

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Spark

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and Spark is a writer who nicely

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troubles the Waters of two easy

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definitions of Catholic writing and

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English for a start she was a convert

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excuse me of mixed Anglican and Jewish

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Heritage and she referred to herself as

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the Gentile duess and she was also

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Scottish from Edinburgh the city in

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which I work

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the photograph on the left I don't know

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if you can make it out is in fact a

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flagstone from the the writers Museum in

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Edinburgh which is situated right next

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door to the school of divinity where I

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work just a few steps away

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and this flagstone bearing Spark's name

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and dates includes the words the

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Transfiguration of the commonplace a

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quotation from perhaps her most famous

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novel the prime of Miss Jean Brodie from

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1961 and also I think a very pithy

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summation of the work of Catholic

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fiction and poetry the Transfiguration

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of the commonplace

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and I've also included a photograph of

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Spark's gravestone here which is on the

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right

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if you look closely you'll see that it

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Bears the words Muriel Spark poeta or of

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course poet in Italian

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and Spark moved to Rome from New York in

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1966 before settling in Tuscany in the

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early 1970s

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where she lived until her death and it's

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in Tuscany that she's buried

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spark is not known as a poet she's the

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very well regarded author of 22 novels

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but she thought of herself this way she

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thought of herself as a poet and her

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poetry still has to be reckoned with

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critically

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moreover despite being as Jared

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Carruthers puts it the superlatively

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successful Scottish author since Robert

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Louis Stevenson another Scottish writer

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and poet who lived a Cosmopolitan life

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around the globe sparked scottishness is

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often ignored or subsumed into the

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broader Canon of English literature

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despite her inclusion and studies of

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Catholic writing like those already

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mentioned her Catholicism sometimes goes

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under appreciated

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Willie mealy rightly observed that

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Spark's poems of Africa can contribute

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to discussions of Scotland's Colonial

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past and certainly her years in Zimbabwe

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from I think 1937 to 1940 then Southern

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Rhodesia and which formed the backdrop

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to many of her short stories and some

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poetry are now the subject quite rightly

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of critical scrutiny and debate and

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critique

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but we shouldn't miss the spiritual

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content of this work

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and other work

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so if we take the poem like Africa

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for example it begins

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let me just wait till the slide loads

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oh

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it's going to be well I'll read it to

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you

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oh thank you

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he is like Africa who's White Flame the

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brilliant Acres lie and all his Nature's

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latitude gives the measure of hit of the

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simile

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his light his Stars his hemisphere Blaze

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like a Tropic and immense the moon and

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leopard stride his blood and Mark and

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him their opulence

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and hem the muffled Drums of forests in

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form like dreams and manifold links

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Eagle Thorn effect about him their very

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night and emerald

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so melee reads this as a love poem for

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Sparks One Time Suitor Howard Sergeant

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who she fell in love with during the

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1940s melee writes the continent

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represents her lover and all his

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magnificence Sergeant is described as a

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continent a proud wild animal the

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zamfisi river

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this poem comes close to another poem

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anniversary in that both verses draw on

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imagery from Spark's African experiences

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well that's all very well but is this

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really a love poem

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um of romantic love to my eyes at least

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this is divine love or perhaps both

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Divine and romantic love coalesce in

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these lines but me at least Spark's poem

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is a love song to The God who creates

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the vast sacramental Cosmos

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I'll turn now very briefly to two other

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Catholic women poets

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whose work I've been reading recently

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and working on

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if Sparks like Africa draws on her

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experience of the of Zimbabwe then the

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work of Anne scottman creep a hugely

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neglected figure of the so-called 20th

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century Scottish cultural Renaissance

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it's a wholly vernacular work which

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determinedly signals its scottishness

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through its choice of Scots language as

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a vehicle for late modernist spiritual

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contemplation

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Lake spark and Scotland Creek was a

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convert

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but while she found considerable success

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as a writer of children's stories which

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are still in print her poetry in fiction

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for adults is now almost wholly

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forgotten and her husband also a

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literary convert is a better known

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though relatively neglected Scottish

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writer

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and her poem darge Scotland Creek writes

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now for a while said to your deathless

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flesh we heard the biding Bayern the

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high Sky loon and man made like to God

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us letters our Helix we catch inkling of

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the word and see the upstairs room the

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famous supper spread by Christ Jesus by

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wine and bread

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now I can understand if you find this

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language a bit impenetrable it's not

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easy for me and I'm Scottish

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Scotland Creek is deliberately using

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historical uses of Scots language here

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as part of the Scottish nationalist

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drive and to resist what poets saw as

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the cultural imperialism of English in

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the early Decades of the 20th century

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what we have here as a result is

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something that is perhaps outwardly

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quite difficult and is part of that

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modernist project but it's also intimate

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and tender

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the speaker talks about Humanity as sib

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to God's deathless flesh so sib in this

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context is a noun that is applied to the

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relationship between Christ and man

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viewed as a blood tie in the literal

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sense according to the Scots language

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dictionary and her poem ends with the

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sense of humanity our heal it or

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overtaken by Eucharistic vision

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and finally I want to give you a little

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glimpse into another Scottish vernacular

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language poet that now nearly entirely

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forgotten Jessie Annie Anderson

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Anderson's contribution to Scottish

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poetry has only very recently been the

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subject of an article by Charlotte Lord

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our very fine piece and she notes

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Anderson as a prodigious and eclectic

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working-class poet writer magazine

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editor and cultural revivalist of the

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early Decades of the 20th century

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she too was a convert and she wrote in

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Scots

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her poem at Sweet Mary Shrine is a

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lovely example of the richness of her

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Marian oov and it would have been

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published in magazines and periodicals

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she writes I'll sleep me soon

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and tender Ethan they're singing to the

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serest heart that our love yance was

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blython love broke my heart and got

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within he only tried to paint it how

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could love breaks he sort of the heart I

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never saw tahin it I tuck the simple

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eye-fold thing that's been sincerely

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sifted and lay it on sweet Mary Shrine

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and leave her grace to lift it

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and Sparks like Africa she knows the

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Zambezi what she called the seraphic

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River but in Anderson's work we see her

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reflecting gently on the sighing willow

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trees and the tender River Ethan a river

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in the northeast of Scotland which flows

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into the North Sea the river and the

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willow trees singing are singing to a

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heart which is lost love and which the

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speaker offers to Mary for consolation

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and solace

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there's much more to say about poems

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like these underlooked for decades but

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once a very popular feature of much red

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magazines and I'm glad to say now that

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there are burgeoning signs that this

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work is receiving the attention that it

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deserves and is being seen as another

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Rich part of the global Catholic

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literary imaginary I'll pass over to

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Emma now

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hi everyone

17:35

so it's not too echoey

17:38

so I'm uh Emma Mason and as Mark said

17:41

I'm from the University of Warwick I

17:42

work in the English Department there and

17:44

I teach um

17:45

mainly Christian literature and

17:49

philosophy as well

17:52

and I'm going to start with a brief

17:55

extract from a poem by Jennings although

17:57

I will be talking mainly about

17:58

contemporary women who are sort of

18:00

writing now

18:01

um but Jennings was really the poet that

18:03

I started to kind of think about

18:05

Catholic women's poetry

18:07

um

18:08

mainly because she's a really popular

18:10

poet in Britain

18:12

and in America

18:14

she's Catholic most of her work is

18:16

religious and yet nearly all the

18:18

criticism on her up until probably about

18:20

10 years ago treated her completely like

18:22

a secular poet and that was partly

18:25

because the anthologies of her work were

18:27

edited by Michael Schmidt who did say to

18:30

me directly

18:31

I'm not interested in religion I've

18:34

deliberately cut all the religious stuff

18:36

out of her work because I didn't think

18:38

that she would sell if I left it in and

18:42

of course Michael was very supportive of

18:43

me doing my own addition which tried to

18:47

put a lot of that work back but there's

18:48

still quite a lot of work by Jennings

18:51

that's unpublished including a really

18:53

interesting essay called Rome that's in

18:55

them the Jennings archive at Georgetown

18:59

so it's sort of extraordinary that

19:01

somebody that is relatively canonical

19:04

for a poet popular is still not explored

19:07

you know if that if that was somebody

19:09

like even more I doubt there's anything

19:10

that we're going to find by Evelyn Moore

19:12

I mean I hope there is but I I doubt

19:14

there are any boxes of un unknown novels

19:17

in attics anywhere

19:19

so I'm just going to say something

19:21

before we get to listen to our poets

19:24

about

19:25

um

19:26

the way in which academic study has had

19:28

a very mixed relationship with their

19:30

work

19:31

now on the one hand those who work on

19:34

literary historical philosophical and

19:36

Theological questions are now very keen

19:38

to acknowledge women writers and

19:40

thinkers

19:41

on the other hand higher education and

19:44

I'm going to talk about higher education

19:46

in the UK because that's what I know but

19:47

listening to people yesterday it seems

19:49

like it's widespread

19:52

it tends to be very suspicious of

19:54

Christianity

19:55

which it charges with reducing women to

19:58

an uneducated and naive ambassadors of a

20:01

conservative if charitable social agenda

20:05

but since their earliest writing

20:07

Christian women have not just balanced

20:08

compassion with profound intellectual

20:11

and spiritual Insight but see them on a

20:13

Continuum so that's I think part of the

20:16

reason that they are often sidelined

20:18

because there's a sense that their

20:20

intellectual work works together with

20:22

their emotional capacity and literary

20:25

criticism isn't very good at kind of

20:27

seeing

20:28

um intellectual thought and emotion

20:29

together it kind of wants to split them

20:31

off so that there's difficult poetry

20:33

here and there's emotional poetry here

20:35

of course that's not true when you when

20:36

you look at

20:37

um most poetry

20:40

uh so so art and compassion are

20:42

connected and that's why I wanted to

20:43

just quickly put up this um an extract

20:47

from Jennings poem

20:49

um

20:50

Michelangelo's first payeto

20:53

where Jennings identifies our lady as a

20:56

kind of poet figure who joins art

20:58

compassion

21:00

carve a compassion older than you are he

21:04

lies upon your lap

21:06

what can you do but hold him with a

21:08

trust you also fear

21:10

thus Michelangelo saw what a girl may do

21:15

for gods

21:16

it's perhaps difficult to meaningfully

21:19

align the work of Catholic women poets

21:21

given the complexity and Nuance of their

21:23

individual experiences

21:25

however I do see identifying

21:27

characteristics across the modern

21:28

Catholic women but I've been reading in

21:31

the last few years

21:32

the Trinidadian British Vani Anthony

21:35

Ezekiel capaldeo the Mojave Natalie Diaz

21:39

the Australian Anne LV American poets

21:42

Fanny Howe and Anne Carson

21:45

Irish Rasheen Kelly Brazilian Adalia

21:49

Prado Russian Elena Schwartz and British

21:52

Hilary Davis Maria pachella and Sally

21:55

Reed

21:57

as a group Catholic women poets are

21:59

often defined by their confessional

22:01

negotiation of the ostensible strictures

22:03

of the church through Dogma motherhood

22:06

childhood sacraments prayer Nostalgia

22:09

and the body both of themselves the

22:12

Saints our lady and Christ

22:15

the thought I'd like to offer today is

22:17

that what gathers their poetry is a

22:19

refusal of the secularized Scramble for

22:22

Universal explanatory mastery

22:26

this comprises a valuing of

22:28

non-measurable forms of awareness in

22:30

which to perceive spiritual time

22:33

Now by this I mean that many of the

22:36

women that I've just listed reject an

22:38

intellectual imperialism that only

22:40

esteems that which can be objectified or

22:43

measured via money or classification and

22:45

by that I'm thinking some of the

22:46

comments yesterday also about the the

22:49

valuing of um science engineering

22:51

technology over literature and the Arts

22:55

in contrast to that drive in higher

22:58

education to basically make money these

23:00

women find in the poem a language to

23:02

enact presence perception contemplation

23:05

and meditation vision and Faith Often by

23:09

turning to metaphors and light sorry

23:12

they have vision and Faith Often by

23:14

turning to metaphors of light and

23:16

darkness in which to Glimpse not grasp

23:19

discern not master so it's really

23:21

interesting listening to The Poets

23:23

yesterday because so many of them

23:24

talking about light and I was incredibly

23:28

interesting I think many of the women

23:30

that I'm reading are really interested

23:31

in darkness and the relationship again

23:33

between those two

23:35

as Jennings argued in her 1961 book of

23:38

essays every changing shape mystical

23:41

experience and the making of poems in

23:44

the complexities of poems we find fitful

23:46

Sparks that's her phrase in which to

23:49

find connections between a mystical

23:50

sense of Union with God and a making of

23:53

poems

23:54

that is the making of the poem is a

23:56

search for God

23:58

now the poet Peter O'Leary Echoes this

24:00

in his recent book on religious poetry

24:03

in a secular age called thick and

24:05

dazzling Darkness

24:06

and O'Leary reminds us that any search

24:08

for God takes us into a space of

24:11

darkness and in doing so he draws both

24:14

on God's appearance on Mount Sinai in

24:16

Exodus 20 in which Moses draws near unto

24:19

the thick Darkness where God was and the

24:22

image of the burning bush as a symbol of

24:24

the Visionary imagination

24:27

Jennings and Leary alike move us past

24:29

the facile questions that often

24:31

preoccupy secular critics which is

24:34

mainly does it believe it does a right

24:36

to believe in God or not you know that

24:38

that's all they sort of really want to

24:39

know and if they don't that's the end of

24:41

it and then they can they get to sort of

24:42

like leave it

24:44

behind and so moving us past that kind

24:47

of that question to focus on the ACT and

24:49

process of creation

24:51

um namely the making and thinking of

24:53

poetry and art I think it is is the more

24:56

nuanced question

24:58

um to ask I said there's a very nice

25:00

phrase that the Catholic philosopher and

25:03

poet and Kevin Hart uses where he talks

25:05

about poems uncovering and revealing God

25:08

in order to reveal them in darkness so

25:13

heart is is playing on the kind of sound

25:15

in English between the word reveal and

25:17

reveal

25:20

The Poetry Catholic women are writing

25:22

today encourages a poetic thinking and

25:25

bringing forth of awareness that

25:27

counters the thinking that dominates

25:28

most of the world

25:30

that is a means to an end approach based

25:33

on capital gain individualism

25:35

competition

25:37

overwhelmed by this instrumental thought

25:40

we have become like faulty radios we can

25:44

no longer tune into each other our

25:46

effective signals blocked by the white

25:48

noise of capital

25:50

but many Catholic women poets use

25:52

rhythms pauses and cadences that invite

25:55

the reader to empty themselves of this

25:57

everyday white noise and listen instead

26:00

to the indirect meanings of the poem

26:03

and as such I think that one of the

26:04

things they really offer or they've

26:06

offered me anyway is that they've made

26:08

reading into a process of kenosis a kind

26:11

of weakening of the self before God and

26:13

emptying of

26:14

um

26:15

the anxieties of the self you know I

26:17

think about the sort of Mental Health

26:18

crisis that we have we can again talk to

26:21

the situation in the UK so so many of

26:24

the students are kind of so obsessed

26:25

with their kind of their self

26:28

um which produces a huge amount of

26:30

anxiety and of course very important for

26:31

them to kind of have a sense of self but

26:33

maybe it's sort of become a bit

26:34

overwhelming and that something that

26:36

kind of empties us of this and making

26:38

nothing of ourselves allows us to better

26:41

decipher the glimmer of meanings these

26:44

poems

26:45

um ignite

26:47

select their male interlocutors from

26:49

Gerard money Hopkins to David Jones Toby

26:51

Martinez de las Riveras to Tim Lilburn

26:54

Peter Larkin and John Dean women poets

26:57

reach for Transcendent and imminent

26:59

spiritual experience but women also

27:02

write within a poetic tradition that has

27:04

expected them to take the place of

27:06

patient vulnerable forebearing handmaids

27:09

the thick Divine darkness in which God

27:11

resides this becomes a refuge for them

27:13

in which to think and write away from

27:16

the sheer light of those who seek to

27:18

explain away the mystical and visionary

27:21

the gradations of Darkness from which

27:23

they write help defend a world whose

27:26

spiritual rhythms are disrupted by the

27:28

need for accountancy just as our

27:31

circadian rhythms are fatally disrupted

27:33

by light pollution I sort of very

27:35

interested in the kind of some of the

27:37

arguments around

27:39

light pollution the fact that you can

27:41

kind of when you look at the Earth from

27:42

space now it's just completely lit up

27:43

all of the time which stops as kind of

27:45

having any actual Darkness to kind of

27:47

reflect in and sort of thinking about

27:49

the sort of you know need for everything

27:51

to be lit up

27:53

um

27:54

and the parallel between that and the

27:56

kind of Enlightenment thinking which

27:57

wants everything to be explained away

27:58

otherwise we can't kind of tolerate it

28:00

and we haven't got any patience for it

28:03

this demand for absolute Clarity at all

28:06

times is redressed by the non-measurable

28:08

forms of awareness Catholic women's

28:10

poetry explores

28:12

for example

28:19

no too far there we go

28:22

in rushing Kelly's poem Easter we hear a

28:26

moment of luminescent renewal through

28:28

remediation on words and the agency they

28:31

Grant

28:32

you yourself are glowing with words they

28:35

move up and down you as if they're alive

28:37

the words bring themselves to me and

28:40

tell my tongue sweetness over and over

28:43

the words are everything with them I'll

28:47

turn water to wine at your wedding

28:50

the glimmer of Kelly's poem gives us an

28:52

image of light made strange by Sally

28:55

Reed in her poem Holy Saturday

28:59

one that confronts our desire to retreat

29:02

into what feels familiar

29:05

when confronted by pain and encourages

29:08

the preparation and reflection needed to

29:10

anticipate the resurrection

29:12

and this is Sally's poem

29:16

this is the way of man to gather up the

29:19

body and shut it in and try uselessly to

29:22

go back to the way things were again

29:24

the Earth is bloodlogged blood feeds

29:27

each thoughtless weed in dark houses

29:30

women's ears are strummed by those last

29:33

cries

29:34

sounds that will not die and have come

29:36

to shape them as dry trees are cupped

29:39

around the Cry of long-spent wind

29:42

the light is strange says one and the

29:45

road is dull to the feet as though a

29:48

covering had been drawn across the sky

29:52

enmeshed in the horror of the

29:53

crucifixion the women who attended the

29:55

cross listen rhythmically to Christ's

29:57

last cries here as they resist the

30:00

attempt to go back to the way things

30:01

were

30:03

Christ's death brings a new kind of

30:05

strange light in which the sky and so

30:08

the heavens feel suddenly withdrawn but

30:11

the light is still there the poem

30:13

creates an abundance of possibilities

30:15

that counter a modern insistence on

30:18

Independent secularity and the Restraint

30:21

of the sacred

30:23

thus for Maria apachella and she's the

30:25

last poet I'll talk about today she is

30:27

also in your volumes of poetry that you

30:30

can scan

30:32

um

30:36

illumination is always accessible we can

30:39

always attempt to elucidate the promise

30:41

of the Divine

30:43

but it is communal moments of sharing in

30:45

everyday experience that make room for

30:48

God

30:49

here is poem 16 from her collection

30:51

sarmody

30:54

was it there

30:57

writ of Illumination where are you on a

31:00

Saturday night

31:02

do I need to wooy with candles why do

31:05

the cynical Thrive I've flung down my

31:08

life like a Turkish rug when will you

31:11

bring me home to your shelter

31:13

let me breakfast in wheat flaked

31:15

gratitude let all my feelings be simple

31:19

painless to share like cigarettes salt

31:22

directions to the black lion

31:26

in linguistic form these images salt

31:29

cigarettes the alcohol that you get when

31:31

you go to the pub the black lion

31:34

are all covenants of friendship and in

31:36

the poem becomes a metaphysics of

31:38

participation

31:41

so to paraphrase Fred moton poetry is

31:45

how we Fellowship

31:47

but without God such covenants can end

31:49

up in harmful protective

31:51

self-definitions that atomizes from each

31:54

other

31:55

with God the poem takes us into a

31:58

thinking of relation where we are

31:59

emptied cannotically of our complex

32:02

worldly selves and drawn into the

32:05

enduring commonality of identity in

32:07

Christ

32:09

asafachella writes at the end of this

32:11

poem

32:12

if you will not answer bandage me in

32:15

blankets of weakness strongly I really

32:19

love that phrase weakness strongly a

32:21

kind of weak a prayer for weakness and

32:24

holy undecidability in the anticipation

32:27

of actually Experiencing God and so kind

32:29

of being filled again so from from that

32:32

state of emptiness to kind of be filled

32:34

so that they're kind of again there's a

32:36

Continuum between these parent

32:39

um binaries light dark weakness and

32:42

strongness emotion intellect that

32:45

produces I think a very non-jewelist

32:47

experience for the reader

32:50

so that's what I've got to say and I

32:52

think now we're going to bring the poets

32:54

up aren't we marked so that they can

32:55

read some of these poems thanks

32:59

thank you

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